Grappler Baki Downgrade... Again

[Chariot190]

I'd have disagree with a discussion rule for the time being, specially when you know someone is working on the verse.
I'd wait till that CRT, if it doesn't go through then, then make a discussion rule because if it don't work then, it sure af ain't working after. Not to say you can't rip now, just the whole "and nobody can yap about it ever again" shit under current circumstances.
i dont even think bro is using the quake feat for anything due to its unquantifiable status but you all the same, I'd wait.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think it's really stupid to treat the earthquake feat as invalid because it behaves unrealistically. Obviously a feat that's entirely disconnected from the laws of physics can't be calculated but this is not the case here. We can quantify the level of strength required for this (= to the earthquake's waves) and we're shown fairly clearly how it happens. Whether it's physically possible or not isn't really the problem, we accept and even assume a thousand different impossibilities for just about any profile. It isn't possible to stop an earthquake via sheer AP, but it's not any less possible than a human-sized creature's muscles outputting tier 6 energies, two tier 5 characters fighting without dishing out massive environmental destruction, or low-tier characters moving at MHS+ speeds without tearing apart. But we're clearly shown that it can happen via raw AP in Baki, and we have the full ability to estimate how much AP it requires. If the nature of the feat bothers you so much give Yujiro Physics Manipulation.

The Retsu Isekai isn't canon and I'm pretty sure we don't even treat it as such already.

Acting as though the majority of early Baki scales to flashback Yujiro is stupid as hell and completely breaks the setting where he's been the strongest thing in the world for decades. We went over this in your last thread.

This is why most "earthquake feats", if they can even be called that, are complete bogus.

If you disagree with the way that the website handles this category of feats, that's an issue with the website, not this specific one. You are welcome to make a thread to change current standards but it is not permissible to reject one based on reasons that go against what is currently accepted.

 

[NikHelton]

I think it's really stupid to treat the earthquake feat as invalid because it behaves unrealistically. Obviously a feat that's entirely disconnected from the laws of physics can't be calculated but this is not the case here. We can quantify the level of strength required for this (= to the earthquake's waves) and we're shown fairly clearly how it happens. Whether it's physically possible or not isn't really the problem, we accept and even assume a thousand different impossibilities for just about any profile. It isn't possible to stop an earthquake via sheer AP, but it's not any less possible than a human-sized creature's muscles outputting tier 6 energies, two tier 5 characters fighting without dishing out massive environmental destruction, or low-tier characters moving at MHS+ speeds without tearing apart. But we're clearly shown that it can happen via raw AP in Baki, and we have the full ability to estimate how much AP it requires. If the nature of the feat bothers you so much give Yujiro Physics Manipulation.

This feat doesn't make sense from a physics perspective, but we'll use it for the calculation anyway. We might as well calculate the KE of infinite speed.

The Retsu Isekai isn't canon and I'm pretty sure we don't even treat it as such already

Issekai's calculations are on the verse page

Acting as though the majority of early Baki scales to flashback Yujiro is stupid as hell and completely breaks the setting where he's been the strongest thing in the world for decades. We went over this in your last thread.

We have characters who deal damage to him and who can withstand his attacks. That's how scaling works, and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[NikHelton]

I'd have disagree with a discussion rule for the time being, specially when you know someone is working on the verse.

I didn't know anything about this. I saw Pickle's calculation, but it was already rejected today.

 

[Chariot190]

I didn't know anything about this. I saw Pickle's calculation, but it was already rejected today.

What's that got to do with the discussion rule for the quake?

 

[NikHelton]

I'd have disagree with a discussion rule for the time being, specially when you know someone is working on the verse.

What's that got to do with the discussion rule for the quake?

You said you disagreed with the topic, especially because it was created when I knew someone was working on the verse. I literally didn't know. Moreover, the earthquake calculation may not intersect with this person's thread.

 

[Armorchompy]

This feat doesn't make sense from a physics perspective, but we'll use it for the calculation anyway. We might as well calculate the KE of infinite speed.

Infinite speed KE is explicitly forbidden by the site's rules, Yujiro's feat has the much smaller issue of a lack of visual consistency/accuracy to IRL physics, a problem shared by just about every accepted earthquake feat (including several you have calculated yourself) and most other high tier feats, while frankly being much more clearly a display of power than most.

Issekai's calculations are on the verse page

And were added there by some random user without any threads to actually confirm it. This hardly reflects the community's consensus, more the state of disrepair the verse is in. Besides, it was recently accepted to be non-canon.

We have characters who deal damage to him and who can withstand his attacks. That's how scaling works, and there's nothing we can do about it.

If you're going to make this argument then you actually have to prove that it's true rather than just vaguely nod to the fact as if it's accepted - and if you're planning to do that it just ought to be a separate thread. In truth outside of Doppo - whose has plenty of reason to be excluded from the scaling - Just about every character that can be argued to "scale" to Yujiro in truth hardly proves a match and the cast at large is very consistently shown to not compare to him.

There's a lot that "we can do about it", in fact. For example, we can choose to not be morons and avoid claiming that Yujiro, a man so unstoppable that the US government signed a pact of non-aggression with him, was once just 9-A at the same point that plenty of higher-tier characters were already active and widely known. Why wouldn't the US just pay Oliva or one of the convicts to paste the guy, then? It just makes zero story sense, the entire story falls apart if you make the assumption.

 

[Chariot190]

Issekai's calculations are on the verse page

We can list non-canon calcs, we just don't use them for main scaling but they still need to be documented somewhere, and if we have profiles for the spinoff, they need to be listed. Just list them in a alt tab, like how we do it with JoJo where non-canon calcs get listed on verse page, but are in their own tab.

Just shove the non-canon baki slop in its own tab instead of complicating where to find them.

You said you disagreed with the topic, especially because it was created when I knew someone was working on the verse. I literally didn't know. Moreover, the earthquake calculation may not intersect with this person's thread.

I said I disagreed with making a discussion rule for the quake. I never once said anything about a general topic im completely indifferent, whatever people accept I'm fine with.
You didn't know someone was working on it when you made this, that's true.
But you do know now because you were informed at the start of the thread.

"Moreover" doesn't matter, it might not matter, or it might, so it's best to wait to see what happens instead of enforcing a rule now for it and making issues and complicating matters when that time comes, and if nothing comes of it then, well then go wild idc.
Note, I'm not saying you can't continue the CRT or even rip the feat off the pages or downgrade them currently, if that's what gets accepted here that's coolio, I'm just disagreeing with a discussion rule knowing someone is doing a pretty extensive deep dive CRT that's going to be exponentially more in depth and encompassing I really wish i didn't know this tho, having to listen to it every day makes me wanna re-enact MGS4.

 

[NikHelton]

Infinite speed KE is explicitly forbidden by the site's rules, Yujiro's feat has the much smaller issue of a lack of visual consistency/accuracy to IRL physics, a problem shared by just about every accepted earthquake feat (including several you have calculated yourself) and most other high tier feats, while frankly being much more clearly a display of power than most.

The lack of destruction isn't the only problem. Earthquakes simply work differently. But for some reason, both of these issues are overlooked, instead of simply dismissing a feat that stands out from everything else in the manga, has no supporting feats, and is an outlier.

And were added there by some random user without any threads to actually confirm it. This hardly reflects the community's consensus, more the state of disrepair the verse is in. Besides, it was recently accepted to be non-canon.

In addition, Image Helper defended the canonicity of Issekai and apparently prepared arguments for its use in another thread.

If you're going to make this argument then you actually have to prove that it's true rather than just vaguely nod to the fact as if it's accepted - and if you're planning to do that it just ought to be a separate thread. In truth outside of Doppo - whose has plenty of reason to be excluded from the scaling - Just about every character that can be argued to "scale" to Yujiro in truth hardly proves a match and the cast at large is very consistently shown to not compare to him.
There's a lot that "we can do about it", in fact. For example, we can choose to not be morons and avoid claiming that Yujiro, a man so unstoppable that the US government signed a pact of non-aggression with him, was once just 9-A at the same point that plenty of higher-tier characters were already active and widely known. Why wouldn't the US just pay Oliva or one of the convicts to paste the guy, then? It just makes zero story sense, the entire story falls apart if you make the assumption.

Besides Yujiro and Doppo's fight, we also have Doppo breaking Yuichiro's jaw.

The power level is constantly increasing. The first fight with Yasha Sr. was a test for the young Yujiro, while 13-year-old Baki defeated the stronger Yasha Jr. The entire current main roster would have defeated Yujiro by the time the earthquake feat was performed.

 

[Lilybitdun]

The power level is constantly increasing. The first fight with Yasha Sr. was a test for the young Yujiro, while 13-year-old Baki defeated the stronger Yasha Jr.

This is true but the example isn't a good one, that's just typical shonen mc growth

Yujiro isn't a static goal post in the series, he's constantly getting stronger to keep his world strongest position. This being the case is already on his profile, just to clarify for Armor

 

[NikHelton]

We can list non-canon calcs, we just don't use them for main scaling but they still need to be documented somewhere, and if we have profiles for the spinoff, they need to be listed. Just list them in a alt tab, like how we do it with JoJo where non-canon calcs get listed on verse page, but are in their own tab.
Just shove the non-canon baki slop in its own tab instead of complicating where to find them.

This would require a lot of reworking of the verse page, but I don't mind your option

I said I disagreed with making a discussion rule for the quake. I never once said anything about a general topic im completely indifferent, whatever people accept I'm fine with.
You didn't know someone was working on it when you made this, that's true.
But you do know now because you were informed at the start of the thread.

"Moreover" doesn't matter, it might not matter, or it might, so it's best to wait to see what happens instead of enforcing a rule now for it and making issues and complicating matters when that time comes, and if nothing comes of it then, well then go wild idc.
Note, I'm not saying you can't continue the CRT or even rip the feat off the pages or downgrade them currently, if that's what gets accepted here that's coolio, I'm just disagreeing with a discussion rule knowing someone is doing a pretty extensive deep dive CRT that's going to be exponentially more in depth and encompassing I really wish i didn't know this tho, having to listen to it every day makes me wanna re-enact MGS4.

Okay, the translator misrepresented your words the first time I replied.

If your friend's topic doesn't involve stopping an earthquake, then we can continue this thread. I only suggested removing this feat because it's the only thing that breaks the consistent balance of the Bakiverse. Otherwise, it's been removed and reinstated so many times that Yujiro has been 8-C, 8-B, 8-A, Low 7-C, 7-C, Low 7-B, and 7-A. This feat only causes harm.

 

[Armorchompy]

The lack of destruction isn't the only problem. Earthquakes simply work differently. But for some reason, both of these issues are overlooked, instead of simply dismissing a feat that stands out from everything else in the manga, has no supporting feats, and is an outlier.

The exact same reasons that Yujiro's EQ doesn't work apply to those ones I posted: the propagation of energy isn't portrayed realistically (in fact the fact that the energy was negated by the earthquake means that it's actually better justified in Yujiro's case, if still somewhat illogical). Assuming an unbiased perspective I don't see why you'd consider one more acceptable than the other. The "it's an outlier" discussion is a separate one and doesn't affect whether the feat is valid in the first place, just if it should bhe used or not.

In addition, Image Helper defended the canonicity of Issekai and apparently prepared arguments for its use in another thread.

I don't really care what one user wants to do. The Isekai isn't accepted as canon. Why are you even arguing, this is the one thing we all agree on.

EDIT: Wait, you mean 3ggman? You're just objectively wrong then LOL

The power level is constantly increasing. The first fight with Yasha Sr. was a test for the young Yujiro, while 13-year-old Baki defeated the stronger Yasha Jr.

Yeah you're right, the Yasha ape fight is meant to show how much stronger Yujiro has gotten since then, and Andou has a great grasp on Yujiro's power level.

The entire current main roster would have defeated Yujiro by the time the earthquake feat was performed.

So why was Yujiro already feared as the strongest man on Earth back then? Surely you're not arguing every older martial artist in the series just so happened to grow in power at the exact same pace that he did, given his AD is explicitly uniquely powerful.

 

[NikHelton]

The exact same reasons that Yujiro's EQ doesn't work apply to those ones I posted: the propagation of energy isn't portrayed realistically. Assuming an unbiased perspective I don't see why you'd consider one more acceptable than the other. The "it's an outlier" discussion is a separate one and doesn't affect whether the feat is valid in the first place, just if it should bhe used or not.

Can you ping @DMUA, @Dalesean027 and @Vietthai96, please?

 

[Armorchompy]

To quickly address the Doppo bit

This key has no clear justification.

"He is provably much weaker for a good while" is a good one. "He almost died" is another, that's inevitably going to have bad consequences on your athleticism.

More details on why the Prime key shouldn't exist were explained here and here.

You're just blatantly recycling old arguments that went nowhere, and one of them isn't even about Doppo. Your own post also contains zero scans. That is reason enough to reject the arguments.

In the fight with Yujiro, Orochi was able to dominate base Yujiro, forcing him to use Demon's Back. He fully scales to and even surpasses base Yujiro.

He doesn't physically surpass him, he was outmatching him via technique. But he's comparable, yes.

After his defeat, he only becomes stronger.

No scans provided.

By the way, the Mechanical Fist was developed as a trump card capable of defeating Yujiro, and Doppo himself, who fought him at full strength, believed in this.

And he was clearly wrong.

Can you ping @DMUA, @Dalesean027 and @Vietthai96, please?

Since apparently you can't be bothered to contact them yourself: @DMUA @Dalesean027 @Vietthai96

 

[Da3ggman]

In addition, Image Helper defended the canonicity of Issekai and apparently prepared arguments for its use in another thread.

I am not going to try and add them to canon unless something new comes out; the isekai is its own continuity, and I'm not going to try and back scale Baki characters to it.

 

[Chariot190]

This would require a lot of reworking of the verse page, but I don't mind your option

Just copy paste the code from the JoJo page and then retype the tab names.

Okay, the translator misrepresented your words the first time I replied.

If your friend's topic doesn't involve stopping an earthquake, then we can continue this thread. I only suggested removing this feat because it's the only thing that breaks the consistent balance of the Bakiverse. Otherwise, it's been removed and reinstated so many times that Yujiro has been 8-C, 8-B, 8-A, Low 7-C, 7-C, Low 7-B, and 7-A. This feat only causes harm.

im not sure if making me listen to yujiro lore everyday is something a friend would do
You can continue the thread regardless, I'm just saying don't enforce a rule for the time being.
You wanna remove it for now? Go ahead, as long as people accept it, it is what it is. If the upcoming CRT doesn't effect it or use it, then lucky you this ultimately doesn't matter.
I'm just saying making a rule now just shuts down what may or may not be legit in the future simply due to a lack of extra context or info or whatever that said future thread might have.

Tbh idk I'm not doing the thread and I tell bro all the time in chat but I've also seen enough random niche bullshit get dropped in goddamn Metal Gear, FF, Jojo, etc chat because screw being on topic ig, to know it's definitely got some stuff going for it. Whether or not any of it is accepted is another thing entirely, it could be rejected in full, but I'm just against removing the chance altogether to argue it with everything laid out on the table.

 

[NikHelton]

I am not going to try and add them to canon unless something new comes out; the isekai is its own continuity, and I'm not going to try and back scale Baki characters to it.

You literally disagreed with the part where I talked about Issekai being non-canon. Maybe you should formulate your thoughts better instead of throwing out gifs.

 

[Da3ggman]

You literally disagreed with the part where I talked about Issekai being non-canon. Maybe you should formulate your thoughts better instead of throwing out gifs.

I dont disagree with it being non-canon; I literally made it non-canon in my CRT about the canon of Baki lmao. I disagree with you saying that it’s some “unofficial” or “fanmade/fanfiction” thing that shouldn’t even be in the versepage, which is what is talked about in the thread you linked, btw, as well as the ridiculous logic you use to further justify its removal. The feats in that series being way higher than in the main one doesn’t matter, since it’s a non-canon, different continuity from the main series that doesn’t effect scaling.

 

[NikHelton]

I dont disagree with it being non-canon; I literally made it non-canon in my CRT about the canon of Baki lmao. I disagree with you saying that it’s some “unofficial” or “fanmade/fanfiction” thing that shouldn’t even be in the versepage, which is what is talked about in the thread you linked, btw, as well as the ridiculous logic you use to further justify its removal. The feats in that series being way higher than in the main one doesn’t matter, since it’s a non-canon, different continuity from the main series that doesn’t effect scaling.

If it's non-canon and doesn't affect the story, then what's it doing on the original verse page? Make a split like in the JoJo or PJM (Lookism) verse, or just create a new page for the excision.

The new calculations range from High 7-C to 6-C. Why would they be on a verse page that's limited to just 7-C and doesn't use those calculations?

 

[Da3ggman]

If it's non-canon and doesn't affect the story, then what's it doing on the original verse page? Make a split like in the JoJo or PJM (Lookism) verse, or just create a new page for the excision.

Okay hold on, what exactly are you suggesting? From your wording it sounds like you want it off the Grappler Baki verse page entirely, but from your examples you want it on a seperate tabber. If it’s the latter, then I’d agree with that.

 

[NikHelton]

To quickly address the Doppo bit

"He is provably much weaker for a good while" is a good one. "He almost died" is another, that's inevitably going to have bad consequences on your athleticism.

Yes, and also "He's back" and "He's as strong as ever." Let's not ignore that.

You're just blatantly recycling old arguments that went nowhere, and one of them isn't even about Doppo. Your own post also contains zero scans. That is reason enough to reject the arguments.

Okay, check this out. There are enough scans here.

Grappler Baki Inverse CRT: main cast scaling to previous Yujiro's

This thread will aim to fix Bakis current inverse scaling MT Scaling...

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He doesn't physically surpass him, he was outmatching him via technique. But he's comparable, yes.

Yes, he's comparable to the version that stopped the earthquake. There are guys comparable to him. And guys comparable to these guys.

I'll say it again – the 7-C calculation completely ruins the balance of the Bakiverse.

We have the High 8-C/8-B calculation for Yujiro and the 8-C calculations for the early characters. It's much more consistent and demonstrative.

And he was clearly wrong.

Doppo, aware of Yujiro's strength, believes Katsumi's technique will be sufficient. This suggests that the technique is powerful enough to make Doppo think so.

The exact same reasons that Yujiro's EQ doesn't work apply to those ones I posted: the propagation of energy isn't portrayed realistically (in fact the fact that the energy was negated by the earthquake means that it's actually better justified in Yujiro's case, if still somewhat illogical). Assuming an unbiased perspective I don't see why you'd consider one more acceptable than the other. The "it's an outlier" discussion is a separate one and doesn't affect whether the feat is valid in the first place, just if it should bhe used or not.

This feat doesn't work within the balance of the universe, nor from the standpoint of demonstrating AP, nor from the standpoint of logic and physics. I don't know what makes everyone so stubbornly cling to it.

Everyone admits that it doesn't bring demonstrative destruction, it's illogical, but they still try to justify it somehow, lol

Yeah you're right, the Yasha ape fight is meant to show how much stronger Yujiro has gotten since then, and Andou has a great grasp on Yujiro's power level.

So why was Yujiro already feared as the strongest man on Earth back then? Surely you're not arguing every older martial artist in the series just so happened to grow in power at the exact same pace that he did, given his AD is explicitly uniquely powerful.

We still have the issue of Doppo breaking Yuichiro's jaw, which scales to Yujiro.

Since apparently you can't be bothered to contact them yourself: @DMUA @Dalesean027 @Vietthai96

Thank you so much, you really helped.
It's very easy to get lost in the private message wall, so pinging is a more effective way to contact the administration.

 

[NikHelton]

Okay hold on, what exactly are you suggesting? From your wording it sounds like you want it off the Grappler Baki verse page entirely, but from your examples you want it on a seperate tabber. If it’s the latter, then I’d agree with that.

We can either make a completely separate page for the isekai, or split it into parts. The fact that Yujiro is considered the strongest in his world but doesn't scale to two higher calculations would be confusing

 

[Da3ggman]

We can either make a completely separate page for the isekai, or split it into parts. The fact that Yujiro is considered the strongest in his world but doesn't scale to two higher calculations would be confusing

I’d prefer to split it into parts on the main page like we do with Jojo tbh.

 

[Legion350]

I've gone over the thread a few times, and I agree on the Doppo scaling. There is no evidence that Doppo permanently lost any of his strength after recovering. I think the split between a "Prime" and "Post-Fight Key" makes no sense. The most difficult thing is that the author seems to have ramped up the unrealistic elements overtime. Looking at the fight between them he was on the Yujiro's level, and it wasn't just technique. Maybe you could argue this is from technique, but even his strikes could draw blood from Yujiro. The way things are now most characters would have some way to scale from Yujiro.

However, I sorta disagree with discarding Town level outright. There are such a large number of statements, that I don't know if it makes sense to remove 7-C altogether. You can dismiss some of the statements as clearly flowery like the FTL and Yujiro's strength increasing faster than the universe expanding, but there is clear cut information given comparing the highest chars to nuclear weapons. So, it doesn't make sense to immediately dismiss them from a gut reaction. Plus, there is a huge variety in nuclear yields, even "low yield" nukes are still 7-C.

Like I said 99% of the cast clearly shouldn't be 7-C in my opinion.
There are a few different ways we can handle this.
Option 1: Treat the Earthquake feat as an outlier
Option 2: Limit the scaling between the cast and Yujiro unless they have statements that put them among the God Tiers
Option 3: Allow the characters to scale from the Earthquake calc, which would make all of the 9-A characters 7-C. I think that doesn't really make sense.

We still have ways to scale the cast if we take option 2. My personal suggestion is keeping 9-A for the Convicts Arc, 8-C for Baki before he starts his imagination training, and 8-B from Baki's imagination training but before Yujiro acknowledges his strength during their fight.

 

[Legion350]

We can either make a completely separate page for the isekai, or split it into parts. The fact that Yujiro is considered the strongest in his world but doesn't scale to two higher calculations would be confusing

Also, plenty of verses have separate sections within the page for calcs from non-canon but published works. Just make a textbox for the calculations from the manga, and then make a separate textbox with calcs from the isekai shit.

 

[NikHelton]

Option 1: Treat the Earthquake feat as an outlier

The most reasonable option, removing the elephant in the room. Considering that without this calculation, Yujiro would be High 8-C/8-B, and the rest of the characters would be 8-C, then relative scaling would make much more sense.

Option 2: Limit the scaling between the cast and Yujiro unless they have statements that put them among the God Tiers

This doesn't make sense. At the very least, sumo wrestlers already scale to 7-C, as does Guevara, as does the boxer who fought Retsu.
Scaling works exactly like this. If character B scales to character A, and character C scales to character B, and so on, then character D will scale to character A unless they themselves have relatively similar feats.

Option 3: Allow the characters to scale from the Earthquake calc, which would make all of the 9-A characters 7-C. I think that doesn't really make sense.

The simplest solution, but everyone understands that it is stupid

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Gonna have to disagree with this CRT

especially in regards to the retsu isekai as I am pretty sure its in the same boat as Jorge Joestar where it would be for only profiles in the isekai rather than the overall verse (meaning that the isekais not scaling to the main verse)

also 3ggmans working on an overhaul so its better to wait for his response

 

[Legion350]

The most reasonable option, removing the elephant in the room. Considering that without this calculation, Yujiro would be High 8-C/8-B, and the rest of the characters would be 8-C, then relative scaling would make much more sense.

This doesn't make sense. At the very least, sumo wrestlers already scale to 7-C, as does Guevara, as does the boxer who fought Retsu.
Scaling works exactly like this. If character B scales to character A, and character C scales to character B, and so on, then character D will scale to character A unless they themselves have relatively similar feats.

The simplest solution, but everyone understands that it is stupid

I don't think the sumo characters or Joe Crazier have a good case for scaling here. Joe's scaling is → SOO Retsu → Katsumi → Pickle
But Katsumi couldn't harm Pickle without the Hitless Blow that annihilated his arm. Retsu's page even notes he got folded by Pickle.

The sumo scaling is more debatable, but during their first match Nomi crushed Biscuit. I don't know why we scale characters like Shachihoko to Hanayama when he casually oneshot.

 

[Legion350]

I'm fine

Gonna have to disagree with this CRT

especially in regards to the retsu isekai as I am pretty sure its in the same boat as Jorge Joestar where it would be for only profiles in the isekai rather than the overall verse (meaning that the isekais not scaling to the main verse)

also 3ggmans working on an overhaul so its better to wait for his response

I'm fine waiting for him to respond, but any overhaul should address the Doppo key stuff as well.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Yeah, mark me down for a disagree as well

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

but even his strikes could draw blood from Yujiro

his strikes are technique based as well, and it's also based on hitting vital points which is what made him get a little nose bleed by directly and accurate targeting his nose

Btw this is the same verse where someone as weak as an elderly person, is capable of attacking at superhuman lvls, similar to Yuijro based on only skill/martial arts

Let's also not ignore Yuijro not even trying to defend/guard himself in that instance

 

[Legion350]

his strikes are technique based as well, and it's also based on hitting vital points which is what made him get a little nose bleed by directly and accurate targeting his nose

Btw this is the same verse where someone as weak as an elderly person, is capable of attacking at superhuman lvls, similar to Yuijro based on only skill/martial arts

Let's also not ignore Yuijro not even trying to defend/guard himself

That's still doesn't resolve the issue. Even if he's only able to hurt Yujiro with technique, it still skews the scaling unless you can demonstrate Doppo got worse. It actually makes it even harder to explain the keys tbh. If Doppo is only with 7-C with his techniques there is no justification his tier to go down after the Yujiro fight the way we have it now. Also I don't think Yujiro not trying to defend himself is the best explanation. He might not be in a guarded stance, but we've seen weaker characters like Oliva can tense their muscles like he did against Ron.

I'm not advocating for the removal of 7-C, but I don't agree with so much of the verse scaling to his feat as is now, and the current splitting of Doppo's page makes no sense. Also if Yujiro wasn't trying to defend himself at all, then why would he need the demon back?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

That's still doesn't resolve the issue.

That's because the issue doesn't really exist, Yujiro's feat with the earthquake is based on him using all his might to stop the earthquake. Doppo wouldn't scale to that Yujiro when Yujiro in that instance wasn't trying, had his guard down, and was attacked based on vital points to make him bleed from his nose

The strikes clearly didn't affect Yuijro based on damage, as seen by his reaction at the time the strike happened and after. Like even a baby hitting you accidentally on the nose would get you to close your eyes and hurt from pain, that didn't even happen with Yujiro here

 

[Da3ggman]

That's still doesn't resolve the issue. Even if he's only able to hurt Yujiro with technique, it still skews the scaling unless you can demonstrate Doppo got worse.

Just to nip this in the bud: he did get worse. He lost an eye, which he needed for the anti-Yujiro technique to work in the first place. I'll go into it in more depth in my full length post, but Doppo doesn't scale to Yujiro in base at all.

 

[Legion350]

That's because the issue doesn't really exist, Yujiro's feat with the earthquake is based on him using all his might to stop the earthquake. Doppo wouldn't scale to that Yujiro when Yujiro in that instance wasn't trying, had his guard down, and was attacked based on vital points to make him bleed from his nose

The strikes clearly didn't affect Yuijro based on damage, as seen by his reaction at the time the strike happened and after. Like even a baby hitting you accidentally on the nose would get you to close your eyes and hurt from pain, that didn't even happen with Yujiro here

Just to nip this in the bud: he did get worse. He lost an eye, which he needed for the anti-Yujiro technique to work in the first place. I'll go into it in more depth in my full length post, but Doppo doesn't scale to Yujiro in base at all.

I'm fine with this if it updates the pages with more context. I already mentioned being fine with Yujiro being 7-C.

 

[Dalesean027]

Since apparently you can't be bothered to contact them yourself: @DMUA @Dalesean027 @Vietthai96

Sup?

 

[Armorchompy]

I dunno, Nik told me to tag you

How you doin

 

[Dalesean027]

I dunno, Nik told me to tag you

How you doin

Pretty good, got off work late so ya know just now seeing this. Also how ya doing too?


Do we know if OP is up to date oooor..??

 

[Armorchompy]

Pretty good, got off work late so ya know just now seeing this. Also how ya doing too?

I see I see. Uh doing alright, not much going on but could be worse

Do we know if OP is up to date oooor..??

Nah I'm afraid you gotta read

 

[NikHelton]

Pretty good, got off work late so ya know just now seeing this. Also how ya doing too?


Do we know if OP is up to date oooor..??

Retsu Isekai is non-canonical and should either be removed from the Bakiverse page, or the page should be split into parts like JoJo or Dragon Ball.

The character who scales to Yujiro has a "Prime" key and a "Post-Battle" key, which was created solely to artificially limit characters from scaling. The manga directly states that his strength is the same as before, so a downgrade from 7-C to 9-A makes no sense.

@Therefir and @Damage3245 support the removal and banning of the earthquake calculation because it has been deleted and reinstated many times over the years. The punch that stopped the 7-C earthquake created a crater at a 9-C/9-B level, has no kinetic feats, and generally, stopping an earthquake doesn't work as a feat, especially when we lack the permissions. You can read more about this in Therefir's comments. The next strongest feat in the verse is 1000 times weaker than stopping the earthquake, and we have absolutely no calculations to support 7-C. The feat doesn't work from the standpoint of physics, from the standpoint of rule consistency (a 7-C result vs. a 9-C crater), or from the standpoint of internal verse balance.

@Armorchompy supports this feat. Anime can have illogical elements, and the feat can simply be equated to the force of the earthquake.