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Hellboy (Franchise) Revision Thread #1 | 8-C Hellboy, further calculations, and more!
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Well, if you understand the distinction between attack potency, striking strength, and durability now, you need to collaborate with me and Bambu to help us figure out appropriate statistics.
Also, thank you for helping out Bambu.
Also, thank you for helping out Bambu.
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Well as far as far The Black Flame's Durability goes, his most impressive feat I found so far is where he was completely unaffected by Liz's fire blast. This was when Liz was using the same power to destroy Katha-Hem. So I'd say that The Black Flame should possess City level durability. Kinda like this...
Durability: Building level+ (Sustained no injury after getting propelled through several skyscrapers) | City level (Emerged completely unscathed from Liz Sherman's fire blast)
In terms of Attack Potency, I found that he was able to match Liz's power even when he was in a weakened state. Again, it's the same power she used to destroy Katha-Hem, so I'd say that he should possess City level Attack Potency. Wanna make it to where it looks like this...
Attack Potency: Building level+ (Killed Roger the Homunculus) | City level (Was able to match Liz's power even when in a weakened state)
I'm still doing some research, so I will update later.
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So far most of the feats that Landis has regarding his striking strength would seem to put him in the building range, but I'll continue to look into that in the meantime.
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Here we are. These are some of the scans I found for Landis that take his physical strength into account, however it seems as though most of them would be for his Lifting Strength. Needless to say, I think they're still worth calculating.
- Rips out of several restraints in the process of being summoned into his heavily-sedated body.
- Throws the Sledgehammer suit with enough force to create a large crater in the ground before further pummeling it.
- Chucks Johann across Manhattan
- Flies fast enough to collapse a skyscraper with the impact of his body.
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Thank you. Would you be willing to calculate it @Mr._Bambu ?
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On the same page I believe you people have references for some of these scans on your wiki here. Is that correct?
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Probably can't do the first one. Crater I can give a rough go, we don't have incredible shots of it but it'll do. Third one lacks context in regards to timeframe so is probably a bust. Skyscraper bust can be done pretty easily since it seems to be a case of an entire floor being V. Fragged.
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I also wanted to further discuss Hellboy's immortality.
So, right after Hellboy dies at the end of The Storm And The Fury he gets transported to the Abyss in Hellboy In Hell and in Issue #9 he openly admits that he's already dead. I was thinking this would give him Type 7 Immortality.
Will update this message later.
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Excellent. Now, so long as they're acceptable, does anyone either mind applying these changes or unlocking Hellboy's page for them to be applied?
Tier: At least 9-B to 9-A, likely 8-C to High 8-C | At least High 7-C, likely far higher
Name: Hellboy, Urush An Rama, Hell Boy, The Right Hand of Doom, The Beast of the Apocalypse, The World Destroyer, The Great Beast, HB, Red, Hell-Boy, Red Ape, Monkey Boy | Real name is Anung Un Rama
Origin: Hellboy
Gender: Male
Age: 441, physically 70
Classification: Cambion (Half-Demon, Half-Human)
Powers and Abilities:
Base
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Rage Power, Acrobatics, Longevity, Immortality (Types 2, 3, 4 and 7. Is "as deathless as Koshchei"; unable to die until he's ready or unless he believes he should), Regeneration (High-Low to Low-Mid; had his heart ripped out and still survived), Supernatural Willpower (Stated to have an iron will; was brought to the brink of death many times but never gave up), Self-Resurrection, Enhanced Senses (Can see farther than the average human), Minor Size-Shifting (Demonstrated here) Demonic Transformation, Limited Necromancy (Can communicate with the dead) Stealth and Weapon Mastery, Multilingualism (Can speak Old Lemurian), Martial Arts (Defeated a professional wrestler) Sleep Manipulation via Pressure Points (Can KO people by hitting certain nerve junctions), Resistance to Fire, Electricity, Pain, Paralysis (Broke out of a spell that paralyzed him) and Illusions (Broke out of an illusion)
With Equipment
Non-Physical Interaction with Right Hand of Doom (Can hit a ghost), Plant Manipulation with Arbutus (Also drives away ectoplasm) & Vasilisa's Comb, Water Manipulation with Vasilisa's Handkerchief, Resurrection with Mohlomi's Bell (Also grants resistance to evil), Explosions with Vulcan 50, Vulcan 65 & Concussion Grenades, Poison & Gas Manipulation with Gas Grenades, Damage Boost & Reduction with Agrippa's Charm
Demon Form
All previous abilities but to a greater extent, including Large Size (Type 3), Hellfire Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Flight, Resistance to Hellfire
Attack Potency: At least Wall level (Stated to be stronger and tougher than a human; can crush a human skull) to Small Building level, likely Building level to Large Building level (His fight with a rat monster caused an earthquake of this magnitude) | At least Large Town level (Generated an explosion of hellfire, which yields this much potential energy), likely far higher
Speed: At least Subsonic to Transonic (Fast enough to dodge bullets and a shot from an electric gun) | At least High Hypersonic (Can move at these speeds), likely far higher
Lifting Strength: At least Class 5 (Can throw a tree into a giant's neck) to Class 25 (Some sources hint he possess a strength level of Class 25, but the true extent of Hellboy's strength is unknown) | At least Class G (Is able to lift his own weight in his gigantic form), likely far higher
Striking Strength: At least Wall Class (Can tackle people through walls and smash through masonry) to Small Building Class (Strong enough to punch a large tree monster), likely Building Class to Large Building Class | At lest Large Town Class (His punches can deal this much damage), likely far higher
Durability: At least Wall level (Survived getting pounded in a palm by an oversized Roger the Homunculus) to Small Building level, likely Building level to Large Building level (Survived the destruction of a castle). Regeneration and Immortality make him difficult to kill | At least Large Town level (Was unfazed by his own explosion of hellfire), likely far higher
Stamina: Very High (Withstood multiple shots of electricity, for which each shock had the power to light up a city) | Likely higher than before
Range: Extended melee range with swords and spears, tens of meters with guns and other firearms. Kilometers with Size Shifting
Standard Equipment: The Right Hand of Doom, 1941 US Army-Issue M1911A1 .45 Caliber Pistol, Excalibur, concussion and gas grenades, knives, spears, horns (via Prince of Hell), Vulcan 50 and 65, an iron horseshoe, Mohlomi's Bell, Resurrection Amulet & several other magical artifacts
Intelligence: At least Gifted. After he was taken in by the US government and became a part of the BPRD in 1952, Hellboy possesses 50 years of considerable knowledge and experience as both a paranormal investigator and detective. Often being considered the best paranormal investigator ever since he was 8 years old, he's able to rig up Nazi munitions to a timed explosion and speak Old Lemurian which was the language of the first race of men in the golden age. Aside from his occult knowledge and multilingualism, Hellboy is an incredible strategist both inside and outside of combat. He can figure out a way destroy an enemy after learning the weakness and use the environment to his advantage such as when he used a damaged sign to skewer his enemy. He has also displayed skill with swords and other improvised weapons and has likely mastered all forms of Earth's martial arts, and a little further.
Weaknesses: Hellboy is rather short-tempered, and he has a soft spot for cats and Baby Ruth bars. Some of his weapons can malfunction and there are a few times when he's admitted to not being a great shot. Due to his half-demonic nature, Hellboy can be damaged by certain types of holy spells and magic (this might not be the case, however, as he is no "simple creature of Hell").
Feats: Respect threads
Key: Base | Demon Form
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Hopefully they can still be applied?
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Oh, sorry. Do you mind letting him know then?
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See, I don't know enough about all of what's posted up there. The fact that an entire page keeps getting posted suggests more is changing than I think actually is. For example, the last draft includes the results for a calc both Jasonsith and I rejected in some capacity.
In any case, Gifted is likely fine.
In any case, Gifted is likely fine.
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I guess not then. Maybe it would just be better to use the scans of Hellboy's fight with "prince" in correlation to the Common Feat "Digging up from the Underground" like this?
Attack Potency: At least Wall level (Stated to be stronger and tougher than a human; can crush a human skull and contended with multiple frog monsters) to Small Building level+ (Should be comparable to the likes of Lobster Johnson; dug up from the underground during his fight with a rat monster which would require this amount of force)
Hopefully that can be accepted as it is now?
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Ok. Going back to the profile posted above.
- High 7-C is based on a calc numerous calc members, including myself, had issues with at the time of posting. The original creator of the calc went back to say it was likely impossible to accurately calc. If it were implemented already without acceptance, it wouldn't be as bad- but the surrounding facts make it unwise to insert.
- Knocking someone out isn't Sleep Manipulation. Even if it is done by Pressure Points.
- Your 9-A+ is literally wrong, as no default value for digging up from the underground is 9-A+. Even if the floor in question is made of metal.
- The suggested reason for Class 25 is "some things might be Class 25". No.
- Hellboy's second key speed/LS calc also has an AP value attached to it- High 7-A. Why is that not used here? It was accepted by one calc group member.
That covers every issue I can find with a single reading.
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Alright, the second, third, and fourth issues have been taken care of. Thank you for your input.
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When the first and final issues are resolved, I can accept the revision, I think. In the future, I suggest listing out changes rather than an entire revised profile, or at least the former in addition to the latter.
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I suppose it would be better to list Hellboy's Demon Form key at an unknown tier for now.
Now if we're done here, I will leave you this link. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hellboy?oldid=7258688
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I adjusted the tier category:
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Anung Un Rama, better known as Hellboy, was conceived around the 16th century in 1574 when his mother, an East Bromwich witch named Sarah Hughes, became a consort to the demon Azazel. Despite Sarah's attempt to repent for her sins years later while on her death bed, Azazel claimed her so their...
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I think we're done with Hellboy's profile for now. Since he has two calculations of the same scan it should be definitive for him to have Building level durability. With that we should be able to scale characters that can harm him with that same level of durability. I did wanna try to high-ball him and others a little further by using his City Block level durability feat, but I'll try and get calculation members to evaluate and provide more calculations of him possessing such.
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