Homer Simpson vs. Ash Ketchum

[Insecurity97]

Ash is 9-B. Both are bloodlusted and the fight takes place in Moe's Tavern (don't ask why a 10-year-old kid would be hanging there, I don't know why either), giving Homer the location advantage

Homer Simpso: 8

Ash Ketchum: 6

Inconclusive: 0

 

[GyroNutz]

Neither can directly harm the other, as Homer is very far into Wall level and Ash straight up has Building level durability. However, Homer does have the stamina advantage so Ash will wear himself out quicker than Homer, a strategy he's used on fighters before. He should take this.

 

[Insecurity97]

Now that I think about it, couldn't Homer also knock out Ash with his knowledge on Pressure Points?

 

[Insecurity97]

Also bump

 

[The_Calaca]

He has Pressure Points indeed but it's an OOC move. Only bloodlusted he would do so.

How far is Ash into 8-C Durability?

 

[Insecurity97]

Both are bloodlusted actually

As for how far Ash is into 8-C durability, it mentions he has taken lightning bolts head-on

 

[Insecurity97]

Bump

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Can't Ash just pin Homer? Class 50 lifting strength will do that for ya.

 

[Insecurity97]

Class 50? I thought it was Class 10

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Whoops. I messed up.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Homer Simpso FRA

 

[Jackythejack]

Uh, yeah Homer beats up a kid fra

 

[Stillwinston]

Homer FRA

 

[Jasonsith]

Ash has building durability.

Homer may try to wear him down but will not do so before Ash wears down Homer's. Plus Ash has 999.9 kg lifting strength and should be more than enough to win a tug of war with Homer who has just ~454 kg lifting strength.

 

[Insecurity97]

bump

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Going with Ash. Homer has worn people out before, but strong men we're able to eventually break him down and with Ash's stats, he should be able to before he wears himself out.

 

[Insecurity97]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

D'oh FRA

 

[Jackythejack]

So two for ash.

Five for homer

 

[Imaginym]

Ash via superior lifting strength. Being able to choke, pin, bury, or drown your opponent, those last 2 being a bit more dependent on location aside, is quite useful, I'd assume. (Also, how does Homer's Type 2 Immortality work?)

In a morbid, black comedy kind of way, it would be sort of funny to see Homer lose by being choked out by a kid, considering his... history of familial relations with one of his immediate descendants.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Yikes. Ash choking Homer is a scary thought to see.

Anyways, I'll go with Homer FRA.

 

[The_Calaca]

Homer can survive without his heart for a couple of seconds and shows no harm when he had his skin ripped by an animal. So deep the wound was that we were able to see his inner organs.

 

[Imaginym]

Ah, okay. So he could die from being unable to breath for long enough? And I assum this would be especially possible against someone who's casually more than twice his Lifting Strength?

 

[The_Calaca]

Probably. I don't see any reasons as why Homer wouldn't die from that.

 

[Jasonsith]

Ash choking Homer will not even be gory.

It would not even have bloodshed.

I retain/cast my vote for Ash.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

This is close...I think Ash should win via higher physicals but Homer has survivalbility feats, endurance feats and skill feats to keep up.

I think I will overall have to give this to Ash however for Class 10 lifting strength and Building-level durability. I also have to note that Ash has much more experience in fighting (albeit with Pokemon) so I think he has a strong edge in knowledge and is generally depicted as a great deal more intelligent (or smarter) than Homer.

Homer is only really going to win via pressure points or outlasting Ash but I don't see why a bloodlusted Ash can't just choke Homer to death by holding his head under water or just choking with his bare hands.

 

[Insecurity97]

6 for Homer, 5 for Ash

 

[Buttersamuri]

I'll go with Homer. Both are idiots that typically have dumb luck. So no advantage there

Both have stupidly durability. Resistance to elements. And generally hard to break stamina. However, homer is arguably more consistent with his stuff. And has some feats that would put him physically higher than ash. As well. Even if we considered them close in Attack and durability. Homer is a better trained figher. And has leagues more in experience. And he is Packing some serious heat. The guy has pulled out shotguns, pistols. And once opened his jack to show two pistoles, an uzi, and other revolver. And Homer at his best. Homer can be seriously highly athletic, shown with pieman where he can swing across buildings, and took a bullet with it almost not even breaking his skin And here as a bounty hunter [Where he is parkouring like a boss]

So. Homer all the way.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

The majority of Ash's 'dumb luck' occur in his Kanto journey. Can't really think of much to warrant the statement Post-Kanto. I would also assume we are using Ash's highest INT which refers to him as a 'gifted trainer'...meaning all of his best intelligence feats should be used. I'm relatively certain that Ash's tactical intellect is far above Homer and that Ash would have far more experience at tactics.

Ash also has 8-C durability so I don't think bullets are going to do anything to him (in the Ash vs Big Smoke thread it was brought up that Ash likely wouldn't even be injured by 9-B weaponry like bullets).

Homer may also be athletic but his feats are all things that Ash has done and arguably then some with one of Ash's most ridiculous jumping feats being jumping from the ground up to a weather balloon with zero difficulty.

Ash also has vastly superior lifting strength so he can easily manhandle Homer.

 

[Buttersamuri]

He can lift more. But homer is stronger and more durable. If ash tried too. Nothing stops Homer from beating ash off of him. Ash couldn't get in close without being beaten himself, either through sheer power, or through pressure points.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

I still really question Homer's pressure points. He has it for one episode as a bodyguard and as a gag he uses them

 

[The_Calaca]

Wait, do every lightning generate 8-C power? Because Homer tanked one directly on the mouth. Isn't that the reasoning for Ash's 8-C?

 

[GyroNutz]

I think humans tanking lightning isn't considered 8-C. Something to do with the human body having a faraday cage which partially blocks electromagnetic fields.

Ash gets his 8-C durability scaling to Riolu

 

[CryoTheMayo]

He can lift more. But homer is stronger and more durable. If ash tried too. Nothing stops Homer from beating ash off of him. Ash couldn't get in close without being beaten himself, either through sheer power, or through pressure points.

What are you talking about? Homer's profile lists him as having 9-B AP and Durability. Ash has 9-B AP and 8-C Durability + Class 10 lifting strength.

Still not seeing why Ash can't just drown Homer.

 

[Insecurity97]

Wait, do every lightning generate 8-C power? Because Homer tanked one directly on the mouth. Isn't that the reasoning for Ash's 8-C?

It's one of the reasonings, but I don't think we can count tanking lightning as durability feats anymore. Should probably be removed

 

[GyroNutz]

What are you talking about? Homer's profile lists him as having 9-B AP and Durability. Ash has 9-B AP and 8-C Durability + Class 10 lifting strength.

He means that Homer is a lot further into 9-B than Ash is, although Ash's 8-C durability undoubtedly gives him the advantage in that

 

[Insecurity97]

Also, looks like we have 7 votes for Homer

 

[The_Calaca]

But if je doesn't get a 3 votes advantage this will be added as inconclusive.

 

[Theluki0909]

Ash can lift some heavy pokemons, and have a great resistance, my vote is for ash

 

[The_Impress]

I'm a nice man, so Homer FRA. Grace begins