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Human-to-Pokemon Powerscaling (Weaponry in Pokemon World, more correct this time)

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Disagree with what? Each Feat can be analyzed on case-by-case basis (just like me, AyOgUyS and most other users on 1st page did).

Or was you disagreeing with mods ignoring my calcs? Or was you disagreeing with idea to message every mod?... Where's the context?

Also, disagree why? Where are the arguments?
 
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Disagree with what? Each Feat can be analyzed on case-by-case basis (just like me, AyOgUyS and most other users on 1st page did).

Or was you disagreeing with mods ignoring my calcs? Or was you disagreeing with idea to message every mod?... Where's the context?

Also, disagree why? Where are the arguments?
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I briefly explained it here, but judging from your reply, I think you misunderstood what I meant by "anti-feat". I think that most of the things listed in your blog don't prove that random weaponry in the Pokemon franchise are mountain/island busting or whatever, I think they're just low showings for Pokemon. The stun baton and pistol, for example don't seem to be super advanced tech. If I'm being honest, Pokemon are often portrayed as being street tier in the anime. If regular weapons in the verse were mountain or island busting, why would James need several hits to break through rock with a super big stone hammer? I feel like the hammer used in that scene was much stronger than the one Jessie used to hit Starmie with, considering the size difference



Some of the weapons you mentioned like J's airship cannons can be considered strong yes, since they're advanced technology. But what are you trying to do here? What even is the purpose of this CRT? Are you going to upgrade the Team Rocket trio or make a J profile?
 
I briefly explained it here, but judging from your reply, I think you misunderstood what I meant by "anti-feat". I think that most of the things listed in your blog don't prove that random weaponry in the Pokemon franchise are mountain/island busting or whatever, I think they're just low showings for Pokemon. The stun baton and pistol, for example don't seem to be super advanced tech. If I'm being honest, Pokemon are often portrayed as being street tier in the anime. If regular weapons in the verse were mountain or island busting, why would James need several hits to break through rock with a super big stone hammer? I feel like the hammer used in that scene was much stronger than the one Jessie used to hit Starmie with, considering the size difference



Some of the weapons you mentioned like J's airship cannons can be considered strong yes, since they're advanced technology. But what are you trying to do here? What even is the purpose of this CRT? Are you going to upgrade the Team Rocket trio or make a J profile?
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Problem is, we don't know whether it's "low showings for Pokemon" or "high showings for Humans" due to inconsistency. Feats of Humans damaging Pokemon are somewhat consistent even with low-tech weapons. At such point, it boils down to counting feats and anti-feats and trying to count which will out-weight.

Note 3:
Keep in mind that certain tiers do not necessarily correspond to the destruction of their namesakes in any meaningful fashion. This is because the minimum requirements for these tiers are arbitrary values.
Here is a list of the tiers in question:


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Tiers between 9-A and 3-B, even those which do correspond with their namesakes, should not be assigned unless there are accepted calculations, multipliers, and/or reliably stated precise Joule values that correspond with those ratings, as many verses can have their own context result in these feats being above or below their namesakes. The exceptions are that the lower borders of 5-B, 4-C, 4-B, 4-A, 3-C, and 3-B can be considered standard calculations for destroying a planet, a star, a solar system, two or more solar systems, a galaxy, and two or more galaxies respectively, and adding those tiers based on those specific feats is allowed.
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Although misuse or over-extrapolation of powerscaling can lead to grossly inaccurate ratings, a logical and moderate use can be helpful and essential to properly determining one's power. Without powerscaling and going purely by feats, many characters would end up Unknown in stats or lowballed to absurd extents. For example, going by pure feats, Whis would be weaker than Piccolo, Sosuke Aizen would be weaker than Ulquiorra Cifer, and many characters consistently portrayed as on par with Planet level characters would be Wall level.
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Just because someone can Mountain or Island-tier character, doesn't mean he can actually destroy a mountain or island; maybe rocks are extra-tough in Pokemon world, or whatever. Humans in Pokemon world seem to be on Wall level because most feats comparing them to Pokemon were forgotten or ignored for long.

And also, since Humans can consistently land hits on Pokemon, their speed scales off; so they would go from FTL reactions to overall FTL speed.

Those scaling applies to all Humans in Pokemon world, not just Team Rocket Trio. While other Humans have less feats of damaging Pokemon, most Humans "by themselves" are comparable to one-another (just like most Pokemon of same species are comparable to one-another), with small exceptions; our pages literally state that [trainer] is comparable to Team Rocket Trio power-wise.

Additionally, there's durability feats of Humans surviving Pokemon attacks - there is a lot of such feats, and pretty much every human in Pokemon world had at least some such feats. At the very least, they would be "stone wall" characters with Mountain/Island Durability and Wall AP; if AP is scaled off Durability, or feats of Humans damaging each-other are used, they become overall Mountain/Island anyways.

On top of that, while Human Durability feats (surviving a hit; still standing or conscious after a hit, etc) are teeming multitudes, Durability anti-feats ("going splat", outright dying, getting crippled for life, etc) are practically non-existent. The only case of such anti-feat i remember is time Ash got in crossfire between Mew and Mewtwo, get hit by attack and got petrified; but considering that he got hit by full power of 2 high-end legendaries, it's to be expected; and dark-edgy writings in Pokedex may be lies or hyperboles, and shouldn't be taken literally (otherwise, world working by literal interpretation of Pokedex would implode upon itself in one hour). If you found more feats or anti-feats - present them, i'll take a look.
 
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In case it keeps going on in circles without any Mod joining the discussion: should i create the new Calc Group Discussion thread, or should we keep arguing in this one?
 
9-C is actually lower-end, since some Trainer's Pokemon did hit Humans and they were fine - which could result in 9-B, or higher on some cases.

But those may be considered exceptions; getting proof of 9-C is not easy, and higher is even harder, so let's stick to "9-C Average" for a moment.
 
[https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hareta_(Pokémon)]

Turns out. one profile did almost completely fit into what i was describing. Hareta is 6-C Trainer with Island-Level AP, FTL speed and Class M LS - this lines up with my long blog post of feats i described at the beginning of this thread, which concluded that Trainers have 6-C AP, 6-C Durability and overall FTL speed.

This is one more bit of proof that every Human/Trainer in Pokemon world are at least Tier 6.
 
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Hareta's a beast though, he's by no means a regular trainer lol
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[https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ling_(Weaponry_in_Pokemon_World_calculations)]

I collected lots of feats, plus feats involving entire or nearly entire Pokedex (e.g. Professor Oak being hit on lections, Pokémon Legends: Arceus surviving hits from any Pokemon in game, etc). Plus many Pokemon profiles are not updated yet, so some of my found feats are stronger than they seem now.

I did conclude that humans must have High 7-A+ to 6-C AP (more likely 6-C), striking strength, durability; FTL speed; "Higher with Piercing" if they have sharp weapon or firearm; and perhaps some resistances (e.g. not being harmed from petting hazardous Pokemon). Numbers of feats range in multiple dozens, they're all linked and consistent with each-other.

Hareta actually fits into upper border of my Powerscaling. Other trainers would be weaker than Hareta, yet still in same tier as him.
 
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