Depends on how the use there speed tbh.
Yeah, Viltrumites think as fast as they move. If they can't go too fast, for fear of hurting someone, it's harder to defend themselves.
Would be the case but this is a remake of a comic in which smart atoms play a pretty important roleUntil Smart Atoms are confirmed to exist we gotta assume they don’t
No like, because these are separate continuities, we can't just assume comic stuff, until said stuff is mentioned.
K but I'm gonna be looking at your real condescendingly when conquest mentions them in season 3
Vs Battles when Invincible ends up having most mechanics act the same
The sub-space thing is only ever mentioned in the handbook, and is contradicted by the comic. The comic actually shows them travelling through physical space, not teleporting lol. A lot of the handbook, in fact, has random stuff in it. It is outdated, after all. The 2 handbooks released between issues 34-35 IIRC.
Yeah I am of this opinion. The primary material clearly has them. It's logical to assume more similarities than differences without confirmation.
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. I always remember them from the leaflet though. Are they mentioned inverse?We never see them fly for extended periods. And if we do and they zip past planets and solar systems I'm more than fun accepting that the warp thing is bullshit. But until then...
They’re never once mentioned or even implied at in the comics. They’re never important to the comic either. They’re contradicted by comic showings/panels.Yeah I am of this opinion. The primary material clearly has them. It's logical to assume more similarities than differences without confirmation.
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How are they contradicted? The sun thing is a reference to their weakness that was even noted in the book.
We don’t really need to. They’re not gonna dedicate a whole issue to show one character’s whole flight journey. I mean, they kinda do at one point show Mark flying from an unknown planet in another system to Talescria, and actually flying through space. Same as the 3 Graysons flying from a random planet they were on back to Talescria, perfectly in time to join back the battle.
How do you know them frying inside the Sun means it’s a direct nod to handbook? That sounds like a heavy assumption. Not only that, but the main point of contention here is the sub-space speed thing. I suppose some things can be correct if not contradicted, but others won’t be if the main source material shows otherwise.
It isn’t. I can guarantee this 100%. The only “link” people can make is that the handbook mentioned Viltrumite smart atoms can get overtaxed by prolonged exposure to heat, and that Thragg and Mark were being fried immediately as they entered the Sun.
Because in the official handbook they were pretty extensively mentioned. I am gonna look at it and note weird parts though. Here are the science pages for the verse in which Smart Atoms are also mentioned. I posted all the relevant stuff from the first handbook and now on to the second.
Allen stayed for way shorter in the sun though.
After all this, wouldn’t you think the handbook is contradicted by LITERALLY everything? I mean, Allen even in his first appearance flew straight from outside the solar system to Earth’s orbit in a stated time-frame of 12 minutes. Relativistic speed is FAAAAAR too slow for this, and the fact that Omni-Man and GDA could track his trajectory from all the way outside the solar system mesns he isn’t “sub-space teleporting“ but actually moving through physical space. The 2 handbooks only came out within a month of each other too.
They exist as much as DC universe handbooks too, which have similar statistics or power descriptions. They are contradicted heavily by the MAIN source material, which take precedence over them. They were extensively mentioned in the handbook ONLY. Not one single mention of them when the topic of Viltrumite biology came up; and it came up a lot of times in the comic.
The 2 Viltrumites started frying immediately as they entered the Sun. When they were fighting on the surface, they were fine. Even before they fully entered, Thragg punted Mark away at one point, and Mark’s back grazes the edge. He gets burnt straight away. The severe burning came from when they actually entered the Sun, as aforementioned - the same way Allen did, but he did not get fried even in the slightest (the panels following show him unscathed as he brought Mark back to the ship). Anyways, I can start listing off other instances and dialogue which debunk them “teleporting” for MFTL flight, but I think the evidence from Allen’s first ever appearance is proof enough.
I’d solidly back the former.
You'd think the specific frequency weakness would be well known, but Cecil is the stated originator, so that train of though doesn't really work either. Either being the operative word. I had assumed it was a mask that was able to be put over his mouth, but it does look like an ear device. The heat of the sun should not be able to damage someone like Thragg, but it can and it tracks with the heat insurability weakness. You'd think heat heat weapons would also be a thing.
Why is that? Flaxans have no contact with any characters from the main dimension. Why would it be credited to them, when the actual weakness was only put into words way later down the line?
Heat and blunt force durability are inherently two different things. Besides, isn’t it a case in fiction that writers overrate the power of the Sun? Mjolnir, Knull anyone? I’ve also previously conceded to the notion that some parts of the handbook could be correct, but the directly contradicted ends should not be used. In the case of speed, I heavily disagree with FTL travel from Viltrumites purely being sub-space teleportation. What is your stance on it?
Sub-space “jumps” imply teleportation, so yes, they would be perceived at the macromolecular level. I can get behind the Battle Beast part but, again, that was only to point out how painfully inconsistent and contradicted the handbook is to the main source material.
My meaning is if the Flaxans figured out the frequency thing, so should Thaedues and anyone else with greater understanding of Viltrumites. Cecil is who Rudy points to as being the source of the weakness exploit, not the Flaxans.
Could just be a plot-hole, I guess? It doesn’t make any more sense than Flaxans utilising the supposed “Quantum foam” power to depower him, and then Rudy going ahead and living there for several millennia having not come across it, even though the lore was retold to him during his time there.
If this was the case in-universe, the kinetic energy transfer from blunt force/punches should be of equal effect to their smart atoms when delivered at equivalent levels of energy as the plasma heat of the Sun they were taking. I’m sure you’re not believing that, though. Kirkman didn’t write the handbooks, other writers were brought in to do so. Kirkman supposedly signed off on it, but let’s be real - he obviously didn’t look or think to care much about the contents of massively sciency parts of it, so just gave them the thumbs up.
What are you saying it’ll look like for a character who could react to MFTL speeds close range? Let’s not pretend the verse takes the laws of special relativity seriously either. KE is obviously considered by every verse with PUNCH to an extent, but not in such strenuous detail.
Hell, there isn’t even any consistency of like 1 or 2 or even 3 specific writers for each of every different character page. Hover over the scan below:
I wanna keep it on my watchlist tho. Are the two really mutually exclusive?
Well until we get an actual nane for thraxan’s galaxy we’re just gonna have to lowball
Distance from Milky way to andromeda x2 I feel is the best lowball
We can't just use the comic calc?
Unless it’s confirmed the mantis race lives in the Virgo supercluster like in the comics then no
Although it’s likely that in the handbook they mean two different things, Earth itself is also in the virgo supercluster. The milky way is part of it.
