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I see. In that case, I suppose your agree shouldn't be taken as agree for the time being.
That being said, I have gone and read the novel now. And, wow... the context sure makes the evidence given here worse.
Like, to get started, let me note that this is a crossover between several of the manga author's series. And the novel practically acknowledges that it is non-canon to one of them
The novel literally points out how the guy can use abilities he shouldn't in the novel.
And the only thing Sight Energy is ever used for is to portal between universes. That's what all those quotes are about. Portaling between universes. The whole "pulling worlds together" thing is about opening some locally limited portals.
"But it comes from the reader's minds!"
Yeah, the novel constantly breaks the fourth wall. That's why the villain literally just used it to summon a weapon from his series.
And opening a few portals in an attempt to summon more people used it all up.
Neither a Low 1-C nor a 2-A energy would do that. It's the equivalent of some character in a kids show saying "children, you must believe in me or I can't do it!". Just because it comes from readers doesn't make it powerful.
Oh yeah, btw. as you see it does mention J Stars Victory Versus. It mentions that is another parallel universe... that just adds to the examples of series involved that this novel is obviously not canon to.
Oh and Saiki directly acknowledges his power is too weak to even travel between universes
Given, he can do it if his parallel world self helps as well, but... yeah, a multiversal power wouldn't have this issue.
No, not seeing your manga as fiction. In your manga there exists a random book that just happens to detail what happens in your world.
Yeah, he talks about how someone reading the book can learn something from the book.
Unless, of course, there were a novel saying those things that they read, which as you will notice fits well to the fact that they say that there is a novel saying these things that they read.
Him breaking the fourth wall is a gag, yes. Him presenting the novel as existing as just a novel in the manga is not establishing the events as things that actually happened.
If you ask me: It's probably breaking the fourth wall, meaning we should ignore the statements in the same way a character going "please watch the anime" would be ignored for canon.
I'm only humoring the idea that it isn't a fourth wall break since some people might think the statement should not be discarded like that. It's just that in that case it's still just a statement of a book.
Basically, as I said before, your problem is that you want the statement to have serious implications, instead of just being a gag, but if taken as them saying it as something that is a serious part of the universe it still won't work, so you then say it's a gag and shouldn't be taken as what's actually happening.
Either it's a joke, and hence not applicable as evidence, or it is not a joke and has to be taken to mean exactly what they say. You can't have it being serious evidence, but what they say doesn't matter as it's a joke and instead it should mean what you make up for it to mean.
Heck, what your entire argument is concerned, in the novel apparently Kaido knows they are in a novel as well.
So if the novel were canon, then apparently people would know they are in a novel
Yes, he talks about how one can learn from a book.
Yeah, that's better, although I still need the sources to the scans.
That being said, I see nothing that supports the point. It's just a list of cameos and references that were made in this gag manga. It's like Kamachi uses Waltraute's design from "The Circumstances Leading to Waltraute's Marriage" when the mythological being Waltraute is summoned in "The Unexplored Summon". It's a nice homage, but it doesn't mean the series are canon to each other now.
Heck, be the novel's logic those crossovers shouldn't happen, as each series would be its own universe with the only way to travel between them being the rare sight energy...
But yeah, mainly, it's just cameos, not a declaration that those series are canon to each other. The worst part is that the cameo's are not even from the novel specifically. It's just cameo's from the author's other series....
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