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Low 2-C Battle of Gods, but I have a good argument :3

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RoyGundam said:
If you leave an area (eg. Living realm) to spend some time in another area (eg. Kaioshin Realm) and then return to the original area, you don't end up in a random instant of time and typically always end up in the future relative to when you left
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The argument isn't, "Every realm is in another timeline", the argument is, "All of these realms are dimensionally isolated".
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The argument isn't, "Every realm is in another timeline", the argument is, "All of these realms are dimensionally isolated".
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Goku can instant teleport across all of these realms, but he can't go to Universe 6 or Zen O palace for instance, because those spaces are separate space-times.
 
RoyGundam said:
Goku can instant teleport across all of these realms, but he can't go to Universe 6 or Zen O palace for instance, because those spaces are separate space-times.
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This just seems to be a range issue, as Kai Kai is more than capable of crossing these distances

Besides, he likely can't sense well enough to notice a ki signature in U6, otherwise he could go there himself
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
This just seems to be a range issue, as Kai Kai is more than capable of crossing these distances
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Kai Kai is special. Angels and Kaioshin have time-related powers as well. Goku's IT is just spatial teleportation. Kai-Kai is most likely a spatio-temporal technique which makes it able to cross space-time boundaries that IT can't
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Do you have conclusive evidence?
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From DB wiki:.

"Unlike Instant Transmission, the user does not actually need to focus on a specific energy signature to use as a target. This means that the user can transport anywhere within and even outside the universe"
 
God900 said:
From DB wiki:.

"Unlike Instant Transmission, the user does not actually need to focus on a specific energy signature to use as a target. This means that the user can transport anywhere within and even outside the universe"
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That just means that the issue is that Goku can't sense other ki signatures in other universes, not that IT is inherently incapable of teleporting that far
 
based on the counter arguments which works in favour pf this tthread...in a way.
goku can't teleport to other universes because They are separate space times, meaning each universe is a space time with multiple spatially separated realms. Then the destruction of said universes is low 2-C because they are space times. And since the battle between goku and beerus threatened to compliment annibale, destroy and completely bring the end of all U7 [Infamois three clashes, the two clashes of goku's kamehameha and beerus's ball, their later brawl which their fists had enough energy to annhile U7], the feat would be low 2-C because they were going to destroy the space time. [The show acknowledges the distinct differences between destroying everything inside the universe and destroying the universe itself.]
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
That just means that the issue is that Goku can't sense other ki signatures in other universes, not that IT is inherently incapable of teleporting that far
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Yes, but what the Page is directly starting is, that, Kai Kai does indeed cover larger distances, even to be able to travel outside the universe. It refers IT as a less developed version of Kai Kai, so there is that.

Also, Kai Kai kanji's is: (界 界):

the world, society, the universe

So there is that
 
Couldn't Goku have just teleported to Earth when Frieza was attacking in RoF? Seems like he needs to get in range for sensing first.
God900 said:
From DB wiki:.

"Unlike Instant Transmission, the user does not actually need to focus on a specific energy signature to use as a target. This means that the user can transport anywhere within and even outside the universe"
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This is just a statement, no evidence is there to support it.
 
DivineAura44 said:
Couldn't Goku have just teleported to Earth when Frieza was attacking in RoF? Seems like he needs to get in range for sensing first.

This is just a statement, no evidence is there to support it.
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He did teleported to Earth in RoF, but they needed Gohan to power up enough for Goku to be able to sense him from Beerus' world
 
RoyGundam said:
Goku's IT is just spatial teleportation. Kai-Kai is most likely a spatio-temporal technique which makes it able to cross space-time boundaries that IT can't
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Instant Transmission and Kai Kai are consistently treated as essentially identical techniques—in the manga, the Super anime, and the Daizenshuu—with the only difference being Kai Kai does not require the user to sense its targets, allowing for transportation to anywhere the user desires, rather than relying on the energy signatures of others. They are both just instantaneous movement techniques.
RoyGundam said:
Angels and Kaioshin have time-related powers as well.
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Only the Angels have abilities related to time, and even then, they are not allowed to use them all willy-nilly like how the Supreme Kai and their assistants are allowed to freely use Kai Kai.
RoyGundam said:
Goku can instant teleport across all of these realms, but he can't go to Universe 6 or Zen O palace for instance, because those spaces are separate space-times.
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Alright. For the time being, we will ignore all of the evidence that everything that is not the Universe (as in outer space) is completely isolated from the Universe through some airtight, dimensional barrier. So, Goku not being able to teleport to this location from Earth is enough to be considered a separate timespace.
  • Goku needed to first enter Other World before he could sense Gohan while he was on the Kai's faraway planet. So, the Sacred World of the Kai is a timespace separate from the Living Universe, yes?
  • No one, not even the Supreme Kai themselves, are capable of even perceiving it with clairvoyance, let alone enter the place. This means this is also a timespace separate from the Living Universe, no?
DivineAura44 said:
Couldn't Goku have just teleported to Earth when Frieza was attacking in RoF? Seems like he needs to get in range first.
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He did. And, it's funny, because Beerus' Planet is on the other side of the Universe, meaning it really is just a range issue and isn't about Instant Transmission being unable to cross spatiotemporal boundaries.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
That just means that the issue is that Goku can't sense other ki signatures in other universes, not that IT is inherently incapable of teleporting that far
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The fact that Goku can sense essentially anything across all the realms within U7 but absolutely nothing outside U7 despite the existence of such incredibly powerful beings such as Jiren, the Grand Priest and ZenO spread out across the multiverse should create some doubt about treating the sub-realms within U7 as qualitatively the same as separate Universes
 
Nullflowerblush said:
He did. And, it's funny, because Beerus' Planet is on the other side of the Universe, meaning it really is just a range issue and isn't about Instant Transmission being unable to cross spatiotemporal boundaries.
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That might not be a range issue as much as a resolution issue. IIRC, in the Moro arc Goku could pin-point a location better if the ki-signature he's trying to track is simply raised higher. He was able to teleport to earth once Krillin raised his Ki level high enough
 
Further proof: It is more difficult for Goku to teleport from Beerus' planet to Earth (even though both Beerus' planet and Earth reside within the Living Realm) compared to teleporting from King Kai's palace (residing within the Outer Realm) to Earth and vice-versa - This is plainly at odds with what is being proposed because, if the Living Realm and the Outer Realm were indeed separate space-times/dimensionally separated etc. it should be more difficult (unquantifiably so too) to sense Ki across and teleport from King Kai's place to Earth than from Beerus' planet to Earth
 
Uhh just a quick question
If the planet is on the other side of the universe then traveling to or from it would take infinite speed due to the distance right?
 
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