"Lower" ratings (Staff Only)

[KingTempest]

Both are totally different things. Even if we implement the "lower" rating concept, we are not going to use it for things like that. That stuff is pretty normal for 99% characters and belongs in the stamina/weakness section.

For characters who get much weaker via things like sickness and such, it's not normal.

I'm not referring to the average person who's attack gets weaker the more they fight.

Regardless, the main point of the OP was for transformations and abilities.

 

[AKM sama]

Regardless, the main point of the OP was for transformations and abilities.

This is what I was asking more examples for.

 

[Antvasima]

I personally do not mind if this change is added.

 

[Armorchompy]

I also have a character I'm working on who could really use a "lower" rating, since the act of becoming weaker is, in a combat scenario, a relatively one-way thing. So I agree obviously

 

[Armorchompy]

bumpo-

 

[Armorchompy]

vump

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?

 

[ByAsura]

A few profiles actually do have this already, so I don't have any objections.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah it's a fine note to have

 

[Ogbunabali]

I'm fine with this concept.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the replies.

 

[The_Impress]

Yeah I agree with this, it's helpful in listing downscaling more efficiently, previously we only had "At most", which didn't exactly lead to the best sentence structure for some of these files.

 

[MistaClean]

This looks fine.

I have already expressed my thoughts here

 

[GyroNutz]

Seems fine

 

[Jasonsith]

I am for the use of "lower" in general. Just to make sure it is used in a similer manner as "higher" (which are already used)

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'm fine with using "Lower" but it should be used for stuff like a move that's specifically stated to be weaker than an the characters normal attacks by an unknown degree. Or if someone has a specific mode that lowers strength in exchange for speed or something and we don't know by how much.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I still agree with this, having the ability to use "Lower" is fine

 

[Mr. Bambu]

This is fine.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

This sounds fine

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I am fine with this.

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like this has been mostly accepted then, but @Promestein and @AKM sama preferably also need to consider it acceptable.

 

[AKM sama]

I am fine with this strictly in cases where a transformation is stated to lower someone's stats. Like two or three examples were provided in the thread, they are fine. I don't think it will be used in a lot of profiles.

We try to avoid downscaling as much as possible, so I still have reservations about it being used incorrectly in places. And I am also strictly against using it in cases like "lower because he grows weaker as the fight progresses".

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I agree

And I am also strictly against using it in cases like "lower because he grows weaker as the fight progresses".

Why so?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Why so?

I think it's because it could apply to many characters since they obviously get weaker and hit less hard. I don't think that would warrant a "lower" otherwise many characters who don't have infinite stamina/energy would have it simply because they get tired in prolonged fights and in many cases would get weaker. That's just standard stuff that isn't note worthy in my opinion.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Agree with this

I am fine with this strictly in cases where a transformation is stated to lower someone's stats. Like two or three examples were provided in the thread, they are fine. I don't think it will be used in a lot of profiles.

We try to avoid downscaling as much as possible, so I still have reservations about it being used incorrectly in places. And I am also strictly against using it in cases like "lower because he grows weaker as the fight progresses".

I think Trunks’ Super Saiyan 3rd Grade’s speed drop is a textbook example of how to use this rating. Compared to how his current speed is rated for the key with it, it would probably look something like this:

“FTL+, at least Massively FTL, likely Massively FTL+ as a Super Saiyan, higher with Super Saiyan Grade 2, lower with Super Saiyan Grade 3”

 

[Crabwhale]

I'm fine with this so long as the backscaling problems are avoided.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

This is just confusing. Especially for people with faster forms after

"A-1, at most A-1 with this, higher with that, even higher with that"

It'd be better to do this

"A-1, lower with this, higher with that, even higher with that"

Hop prefers this, makes sense, slightly less wordy, much less confusing for new users. Should have been this way the whole time.

 

[Armorchompy]

Surely this is enough agreement, right? It's a very simple addition.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, AKM's compromise solution seems acceptable to apply at least.

 

[ByAsura]

Is it just lower, or would we also have much lower and far lower like our higher ratings?

And how many pages would be affected?

 

[Antvasima]

1) I suppose that it would function the same way as our "higher" ratings, but am not a very good person to ask.

2) I do not know. Sorry.

 

[KingTempest]

Is it just lower, or would we also have much lower and far lower like our higher ratings?

I didn't think of the much and far lower stuff. It's possible maybe, I'm not sure

And how many pages would be affected?

Idk many off head tbh

 

[ByAsura]

I think it'd work. Take a character who's half of baseline Small Building level, for example, and has something that makes them 100x weaker. They're just on a far lower level of Wall level.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

For the longest time I had been wondering why there wasn't a "lower" bit in any profiles when it seems kinda necessary with some characters that have their absolute best feats in their pages but are probably weaker on average.

 

[Armorchompy]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with this strictly in cases where a transformation is stated to lower someone's stats. Like two or three examples were provided in the thread, they are fine. I don't think it will be used in a lot of profiles.

We try to avoid downscaling as much as possible, so I still have reservations about it being used incorrectly in places. And I am also strictly against using it in cases like "lower because he grows weaker as the fight progresses".

So is somebody willing to write a draft for a regulation text based on the above?

 

[Armorchompy]

Lower​

Similarly to the "Higher" term, "Lower" should be used to denote a character's weapons, techniques, or attributes that are significantly weaker than their base level, but still within the same tier.


This work?

 

[KingTempest]

Lower​

Similarly to the "Higher" term, "Lower" should be used to denote a character's weapons, techniques, or attributes that are significantly weaker than their base level, but still within the same tier.


This work?

Can agree with this

 

[Nierre]

Not sure if I'm allowed to ask this question here, but what if a character has a pre and post timeskip profile, and the character in question is weaker in timeskip than they were in pre timeskip. Would the "lower" rating be used in this scenario?