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MCU Phase 6 General Discussion Thread
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Daredevil vs Black Noir
Both are 9-A, and speed is equal, SBA otherwise Black Noir: Black Noir has a ~5x Lifting Strength advantage Daredevil: 4 (@JustANormalLemon, @That_moron2, @Naeem0304, @Testarossa002) Daredevil has a ~4x Attack Potency advantage Inconclusive:
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MCU CRT: Super Soldier Downgrade
Super soldiers are currently scaled to the following two calculations. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dalesean027/Shuri_and_Weakened_Namor_survive_an_explosion#KLOL's_suggestion https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jason_Courne/John_Walker_rips_through_Falcon%27s_wings I...
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Zombie namor abomination SpiderMan returns infinity war Thor vs zombie Wanda and tons more
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I'll admit, it looks cooler than I expected. Glad they goo full-blown gory in the series. Also, can't wait to see Thor and Thanos in action
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I wonder how strong the zombies will be since they can use the powers of the original
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Yep, Blade decided that he was tired to wait for Marvel Studios to make his movie and said "**** it, I'm gonna be in this show!"
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We need a trailer already
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That's freaking sick
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Between Ghost being close to death during Ant-Man and the Wasp, as well as Hannah John-Kamen apparently making multiple statements that Ghost is intended to be stronger than ever after being stabilized by Janet's powers, I think a new key would make more sense.
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This looks amazing
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DUDE IM SO HYPED FOR DOOMSDAY!!!
My only gripe is that MCU Doctor Doom is debuting in these big-time movies (Doomsday + Secret Wars), so hopefully we can see enough of his backstory. After all, the comic events with him fighting the Fantastic Four were very good, so I don’t know how it’ll translate here.
With that in mind it’s likely MCU God Loki will replace characters like Beyonder and Molecule Man, unless if they can somehow introduce all these guys in the same movie.
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SpiderMan has Stormbreaker
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SpiderMan has Stormbreaker
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Russo brothers said only someone as strong as Thor can lift Stormbreaker and spidey can use it or no
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Steve casually holds Stormbreaker with one hand for a moment after calling it to him, so probs no.
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Steve literally has the power of Thor in that scene lol
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Oh wait yeah, forgot it doesn’t go away just because someone else was holding Mjolnir, dumb mistake (how would he even call Stormbreaker to him without the power of Thor lol).
That being said good luck on making Spidey Thor tier, it’s not happening.
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I mean the feats were always there this site just considers them an outlier no matter how many of them he seems to get
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Can depend on what using it means. If it means just picking it up and throwing it then I guess a case can be made but using it can also mean actively using its divine powers like directly controlling the lightning in specific fashion (so the axe emitting lightning can just be seen as an effect of the weapon itself and not the wielder actively invoking it) and teleporting through dimensions and co
And like said before, making Spider-Man the same tier as Thor is not happening anytime soon. I mean, maybe in the zombie reality he is but in mainstream, he struggles against normal gun-wielding people, man-made drones and low level superhumans. Sorry not sorry, if MCU Peter was indeed Thor-level, he would NOT be bleeding from Goblin throwing him through multiple floors and would have reduced the likes of Doc Ock to red smear almost instantly
And like said before, making Spider-Man the same tier as Thor is not happening anytime soon. I mean, maybe in the zombie reality he is but in mainstream, he struggles against normal gun-wielding people, man-made drones and low level superhumans. Sorry not sorry, if MCU Peter was indeed Thor-level, he would NOT be bleeding from Goblin throwing him through multiple floors and would have reduced the likes of Doc Ock to red smear almost instantly
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lol thor was phased by ultron throwing a concrete pillar at him hulk phased by an elevator being slammed on him hulk buster literally got impaled by a street pole etc high tiers have the same stuff where they are injured from the environment and that’s a feat for ock who damaged nano armor which is stated equal to mark 50 which is stronger then hulk buster that fought hulk who fought Thor
it’s just picking it up to lift it and use the axe you need the strength of a GOD
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Spider-man having Thor level AP and Durability means that all characters will be at that level. So if Spiderman is at the level of Thor and Hulk, supersoldiers will be downscaled, then the peak humans will be downscaled from the super soldiers. And everyone will be Tier 6. That's one of the biggest reasons why Spiderman doesn't scale to Hulk level. Because everyone gets upgraded because of the scaling chain, and because of the scaling chain, other characters' anti-feats also affect spiderman.
And what is mentioned in the scan you gave, looks like LS than AP to me. So with this statement , at most you can scale Spiderman’s LS to Thor’s LS.
And what is mentioned in the scan you gave, looks like LS than AP to me. So with this statement , at most you can scale Spiderman’s LS to Thor’s LS.
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Spidey in his first appearance neg diffed Bucky metal arm lol they wouldn’t downscale from anything
Peak humans also downscaling from a super soldier already has problems as super soldiers have blatantly one shot peak humans
Also the anti feats there’s probably more anti feats if you combine the anti feats of every high which they would all share from chain scaling then there is for just peters
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I'm not talking about LS. Spiderman is already above the super-soldiers in LS, but they scale to each other in AP and Durability. Check Spiderman's page, it's written there.Spidey in his first appearance neg diffed Bucky lol they wouldn’t downscale from anything
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Peak humans scale 10 times lower than supersoldiers. So SuperSoldier one-shotting Peak Humans does not make scaling problematic.
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That’s literally a durability feat you can’t be much stronger then your own durability otherwise any time Peter does any lifting he’d injure himself
He’s flat out stated to outmuscle Bucky metal arm meaning Peter’s striking which uses his muscles is already above super soldiers with him not even trying there is no Scaling dude trying to downscale a peak human from a super soldier to Peter is pure nonsense
Yes it does because if you can’t rep their feats and get effortlessly one shotted then you can’t downscale also super soldiers were one shotting peak asgardians which are already above peak humans
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You can.
LS and AP/Striking are different things. One character can be many times stronger than another character in LS but have the same AP. If you check the wiki you can see that this is the case for many characters.
And Tony Stark, one of the smartest person in the Universe, who knows Spider-Man and Captain America, said that Captain America capable of defeating Spider-Man. Also Captain America gave Spiderman a black eye.
So they scale to each other.
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10 times the power difference is already enough for one-shotting.
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It’s the other way around most verses how much a character can lift doesn’t limit it but your striking/durability has to at a bare minimum be same tier ish for your your striking because at the end of the day lifting is using muscle and striking also muscles meaning you can’t be able to lift like thousands of tons but have the striking and durability of a peak human
They literally had an entire film about how tony was underestimating Peter lol which he takes back at the end of homecoming where he invites Peter to join the avengers saying he’s ready for more his opinion doesn’t mean much when he was already lowballing Peter and cap is in no way capable of beating Peter tony is speaking because he lost against cap Peter casually overpowered caps superior Bucky metal arm
No they don’t Bucky metal arm is blatantly caps superior which Peter neg diffed and this is also ignoring Peter was many years younger then he is now and was still growing
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I didn't say it limit your striking/durability.
You can't say they should be at least the same tier level because LS and Striking use different systems. You can also calculate the AP from the LS feats, and if you do so, you will see how low the LS feats' results are in terms of AP.
Tony didn't underestimate Peter. Tony believed in Peter even when Peter didn't believe in himself. And while Peter thought he was nothing without the costume, Tony didn't believe that. At the end of the movie, when Peter realized he was the hero and the costume was irrelevant, Tony took him back. Tony wasn't lowballing Peter.
Tony said Cap capable of defeating Peter. Tony's word against yours. And Cap literally gave Peter a black eye.
Tony was holding back against Cap, and yet he had literally knocked Cap and Bucky to the ground. Cap defeated Tony because Tony held back against him and gave him many chances to leave the fight (he attacked and injured Tony in all of these chances), and in the end, he defeated thanks to Bucky distracting Tony.
Again, this is not AP, it's LS.
As I said, Super Soldiers don't scale to Spiderman in LS.
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Either I didn't explain myself clearly and accurately, or you didn't understand. You can calculate AP, Durability, and Striking from LS. For example, Spiderman's current scaled value is 22,000 tons. Do you know what that corresponds to in AP and Striking? I'll tell you: 9-A.
Just because one character's LS is thousands of times higher than another's, it doesn't mean his AP and Striking are stronger.
So a character can be Class 1 and have 8-C AP and Striking. And that's the case here.
Spiderman's LS is much, much higher than the super soldiers, but they are close to each other in AP, Durability, and Striking.
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their strike isn’t capped at their lifting but by default their striking has to be to their their lifting you can’t lift thousands of tons of example but at the same time punch with the strength of a regular human that’s just simply not possible and doesn’t work especially when lifting is a durability feat
Yes it does because you can’t have much higher lifting strength why at the same time your striking that far behind the only thing that’s possible is for the reverse where your striking is far beyond lifting but the opposite is not possible
They aren’t Peter’s muscles which correlates into striking is superior then Bucky arm which is already above super soldiers
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You stubbornly don't want to understand even though I explained it to you. You're still confusing AP, LS, and Stirike. So I'm not going to argue any further. All I'm going to say is go talk to a staff member and understand what you're talking about. And right now super soldiers and spiderman are scaling each other. So if you're against it, create a CRT and change it.
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They don’t scale Peter at his first fight and youngest so much weaker then current neg diffed Bucky arm which is already above super soldiers Peter is stronger in every way
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A video on the Thunderbolts* artbook is out now:
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