Murder Drones Downgrades

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Introduction​

I was recently going over the Murder Drones profiles, and saw a lot, and I mean a lot of issues with the statistics that were present, so I decided to make this CRT to go over it all.

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A major issue is the constant scaling to Cyn in AP.

• Solar System level with the Absolute Solver (Should be comparable to Cyn, whose use of the Absolute Solver allowed her to generate a black hole that destroyed Earth. Generated a black hole this powerful. Should be comparable to Nori, whose use of the Absolute Solver allowed her to generate detectable gravitational waves)

No one should scale to Cyn in the verse aside from Uzi when she fused with her, because Cyn was the only one being directly controlled by the Absolute Solver. It was made very clear that Uzi could not defeat Cyn, needed constant help, and even when she did win, it was mostly due to luck. Even the black hole feat attributed to Uzi was performed while she was being controlled by the Absolute Solver. It's been shown that, Uzi get's alot stronger when that happens comapred to her normal self.

Just because characters use the same ability does not mean they should automatically scale to one another. As for the gravitational waves feat, it’s far too vague and unclear to be included in AP.

Moving on, we have this statistic:

• Universe level with the Absolute Solver (The Absolute Solver was consuming everything and going to cause a Big Crunch, breaking the very reality apart, Cyn herself said the Solver can destroy the entire universe)

Again, I’m not sure how this was accepted, when it’s clearly a feat that would occur over time rather than instantly. The number 87 is presented as a time frame, but it’s never clarified whether that refers to days, years, or something else entirely. On top of that, the numbers are faded, suggesting they haven’t been updated or corrected recently. Overall, the feat is far too vague to justify a Universe-level statistic and should simply be removed.

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I also took a look at the speed ratings, and they don’t make much sense either.

• Massively FTL (One of her tendrils was able to tag N's landing pod which is able to move this fast. Should be comparable to other Worker Drones who are capable of outrunning missile explosions)

Firstly, why is anyone scaling to Cyn’s tendrils? Only Cyn has ever been shown to possess them, and she never actually uses them offensively against another character. That means no one else should be scaling to their speed. Then there’s the supposed “outrunning missile explosions” feat, which is absolutely not what’s happening in this video. The characters are simply running away from something exploding behind them. They aren’t outrunning the explosion at all in fact, they’re practically stationary compared to how quickly the blast spreads.

There's also this laser dodging feat, which should be invalid. Uzi clearly notices the laser coming before it’s even fired, thanks to the visible light buildup. That means it’s a reaction to a visual cue, not an actual speed feat against a laser beam.

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Lastly, covering durability, we have the feat of Uzi surviving the destruction of a planet. I’m not sure why or how this calc was accepted when the timeframe being used is based entirely on a fade-to-black jump cut. Without any direct indication, the event could have taken seconds, minutes, or even longer we simply don’t know. Assuming a timeframe based solely on a jump cut is unreasonable.

Because of that, this calc should be removed until a more reliable and well-supported feat can take its place.

There's also this:

• Universe level (The very nature of the Solver is a singularity that is going to consume everything, including the universe itself)

This is not a valid durability feat for the same reason as the previous one it hasn’t actually happened yet, and there’s no indication of how long it would take.

 

[Ebihara]

makes sense to me.

 

[AlloyAmi]

I have my own unconcluded crt that was removing the universal ratings since the reasoning is outright wrong, but yeah i completely agree with all of this. In my thread I also brought up an issue with said black holes and those big ones are something that happens overtime, and the ones they create on the fly are much smaller and weaker.

Also agree with the dura feat removal, that hole is caused by the black hole growing overtime to eventually become akin to the one that destroyed earth, and there's clearly a skip between when uzi gets launched to space and when she wakes up. It also launches other smaller pieces of landmass to space as well and its also suggested these tentacle things have an effect on the overtime tearing apart of the planet as well. In the end they made a hole shaped like the absolute solver symbol itself but didn't go beyond that as it was stopped. I'd also suggest their durability is suggested to be far lower throughout the series but thats a topic for another time.

I'd also like to say I don't think MFTL ratings make sense at all, the entirety of episode 6 hard debunks this.

the Anti-Drone Sentinels were designed to hunt and destroy any drone, either worker or disassembly drones which we can see by in the start that they were very clearly good at their job.

And here's the thing, their main lead method in their method to destroy them is by immediately bootlooping them with a flash of light so they have no chance to do anything back.

• This is shown to have blitzed N
• Caused V to rely on lookin away and attempt to fight back with their eyes closed
• In a later scene, V can only fight them by wearing reflective glasses, but when they get destroyed she can no longer look at them.

Obviously these characters should not be too far off as they all fight alongside each other in the finale, but this should make it very clear they are not intended to be faster then light.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Agree

 

[Kirua29]

As for the gravitational waves feat, it’s far too vague and unclear to be included in AP.

What do you mean, 'too vague'??? the null, which are singularities, do produce gravitational waves, which are ripples in space-time caused by the most violent and energetic processes in the universe. These ripples propagate outward from the source in all directions like 'waves' of undulating space-time. I actually think that's super clear...

Again, I’m not sure how this was accepted, when it’s clearly a feat that would occur over time rather than instantly. The number 87 is presented as a time frame, but it’s never clarified whether that refers to days, years, or something else entirely. On top of that, the numbers are faded, suggesting they haven’t been updated or corrected recently. Overall, the feat is far too vague to justify a Universe-level statistic and should simply be removed.

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I also took a look at the speed ratings, and they don’t make much sense either.

First of all, this type of calendar is counted in days, not in years. It’s the kind where you tear off a page from the bottom to change the day. So if it says 87, that’s counted in days on this kind of calendar.

Also, in powerscaling, there’s absolutely no time scale, it’s all case by case. There’s no rule that says a character has to destroy a universe within a certain timeframe to be considered universal level. By that flawed logic, in our universe a big crunch, which could potentially destroy our universe over the course of thousands of years, wouldn’t count as a universal threat...

Firstly, why is anyone scaling to Cyn’s tendrils? Only Cyn has ever been shown to possess them, and she never actually uses them offensively against another character. That means no one else should be scaling to their speed.

Like how does a thing that isn't offensively used discredit the speed feat?
That's like saying tagging someone while clearly scaling to them speed wise isn't scaling to them at all because it ain't an attack

Then there’s the supposed “outrunning missile explosions” feat, which is absolutely not what’s happening in this video. The characters are simply running away from something exploding behind them. They aren’t outrunning the explosion at all in fact, they’re practically stationary compared to how quickly the blast spreads.

Well, no, I clearly don’t agree. The fact that the explosion is right behind them actually shows that they narrowly dodged it, which means they did dodge the explosion.
Especially since cyn does it several times in episode 8.

There's also this laser dodging feat, which should be invalid. Uzi clearly notices the laser coming before it’s even fired, thanks to the visible light buildup. That means it’s a reaction to a visual cue, not an actual speed feat against a laser beam.

And ? The fact that Uzi saw the laser or not doesn’t change the feat. She dodged a laser, which is light, so whether she saw it or not, she still demonstrated the ability to move faster than light. The point is that she didn’t move beforehand, only after.

Lastly, covering durability, we have the feat of Uzi surviving the destruction of a planet. I’m not sure why or how this calc was accepted when the timeframe being used is based entirely on a fade-to-black jump cut. Without any direct indication, the event could have taken seconds, minutes, or even longer we simply don’t know. Assuming a timeframe based solely on a jump cut is unreasonable.

Because of that, this calc should be removed until a more reliable and well-supported feat can take its place.

Except that no, it doesn't end with a fade to black as you say, but with a fade to white, and in cinematography colors have meaning and significance, and a fade to white signifies an explosion, especially since it's clearly linked to an explosion, so no, what you're saying is wrong.

It's like if a character was standing next to a bomb in a building and it ended with a fade to white, and you thought, well, there's no proof that the bomb exploded...

This is not a valid durability feat for the same reason as the previous one it hasn’t actually happened yet, and there’s no indication of how long it would take.

Well, 87 days then, since once again this kind of calendar is only counted in days.

 

[Phoenks]

Agree with the OP on all fronts.

 

[Kirua29]

Agree with the OP on all fronts.

But someone really needs to explain this to me... Calendars where you tear off the page at the bottom aren't counted in months and years... They're only counted in days. I challenge you to find me a single calendar of this type that's counted in years, lol.

 

[Kirua29]

And here's the thing, their main lead method in their method to destroy them is by immediately bootlooping them with a flash of light so they have no chance to do anything back.

• This is shown to have blitzed N
• Caused V to rely on lookin away and attempt to fight back with their eyes closed
• In a later scene, V can only fight them by wearing reflective glasses, but when they get destroyed she can no longer look at them.

Obviously these characters should not be too far off as they all fight alongside each other in the finale, but this should make it very clear they are not intended to be faster then light.

So no, it's not really a flashlight that causes them to crash, otherwise even the slightest light would cause them to crash. What's more likely is that the sentinel sends some kind of bootloop command, and the flash we see is just an illustration to show the viewer how it works. Otherwise, you'd have to prove that even the slightest flash can do that, but that's impossible.

 

[Niko]

So no, it's not really a flashlight that causes them to crash, otherwise even the slightest light would cause them to crash. What's more likely is that the sentinel sends some kind of bootloop command, and the flash we see is just an illustration to show the viewer how it works. Otherwise, you'd have to prove that even the slightest flash can do that, but that's impossible.

Don't forget that Doll's dad took a photo of V before he died, the flashback showed a flashing light and the sound effect too and V was obviously fine because she was killing him after that.

 

[Kirua29]

Don't forget that Doll's dad took a photo of V before he died, the flashback showed a flashing light and the sound effect too and V was obviously fine because she was killing him after that.

Exactly thanks you I had forgotten that. If you want to debunk all his bullshit with me, don't hesitate.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

What do you mean, 'too vague'??? the null, which are singularities, do produce gravitational waves, which are ripples in space-time caused by the most violent and energetic processes in the universe. These ripples propagate outward from the source in all directions like 'waves' of undulating space-time. I actually think that's super clear...

The strength of gravitational waves varies, just like black holes. Without more specific information, it's literally not scalable.

First of all, this type of calendar is counted in days, not in years. It’s the kind where you tear off a page from the bottom to change the day. So if it says 87, that’s counted in days on this kind of calendar.

If it's the type where you tear off a page, where are the other pages? And why would the last page to be torn be 87? You also have no proof its days.

Also, in powerscaling, there’s absolutely no time scale, it’s all case by case. There’s no rule that says a character has to destroy a universe within a certain timeframe to be considered universal level. By that flawed logic, in our universe a big crunch, which could potentially destroy our universe over the course of thousands of years, wouldn’t count as a universal threat...

Yes, there is.

If a Character can destroy a galaxy in a second, versus someone who can destroy it in 100 years, one of them is clearly stronger than the other.

Also causing the big crunch would be environmental destruction, which again, she can't do whenever she wants, so it's really irrelevant.

Like how does a thing that isn't offensively used discredit the speed feat? That's like saying tagging someone while clearly scaling to them speed wise isn't scaling to them at all because it ain't an attack

Because no one dodged them while they were moving at that speed?

Well, no, I clearly don’t agree. The fact that the explosion is right behind them actually shows that they narrowly dodged it, which means they did dodge the explosion.
Especially since cyn does it several times in episode 8.

They narrowly dodged a missile, and now it's exploding.

And ? The fact that Uzi saw the laser or not doesn’t change the feat. She dodged a laser, which is light, so whether she saw it or not, she still demonstrated the ability to move faster than light. The point is that she didn’t move beforehand, only after.

If I see someone about to pull a trigger and move, does that mean I'm faster than a bullet?

Except that no, it doesn't end with a fade to black as you say, but with a fade to white, and in cinematography colors have meaning and significance, and a fade to white signifies an explosion, especially since it's clearly linked to an explosion, so no, what you're saying is wrong.

Headcannon, you have no evidence of how long it took for Uzi to reach that distance. So the timeframe in the calculation is wrong and should be removed.

It's like if a character was standing next to a bomb in a building and it ended with a fade to white, and you thought, well, there's no proof that the bomb exploded...

It's actually not, since what's in question is not the explosion itself, but the timeframe.

 

[Kirua29]

The strength of gravitational waves varies, just like black holes. Without more specific information, it's literally not scalable.

So yes, they can vary, but this one is powerful because this gravitational wave that was detected can only be the Earth’s null point, which is located four times farther away than the Earth–Proxima distance. The distance between Earth and Cooper9 was calculated to be 18.00516 light-years.

If it's the type where you tear off a page, where are the other pages? And why would the last page to be torn be 87? You also have no proof its days.

The calendar used is this one, and these calendars are counted in days, not years or months...

And besides, they're not going to leave pages all over the floor.

Yes, there is.

If a Character can destroy a galaxy in a second, versus someone who can destroy it in 100 years, one of them is clearly stronger than the other.

Also causing the big crunch would be environmental destruction, which again, she can't do whenever she wants, so it's really irrelevant.

Yes, of course, if one character destroys a galaxy in 1 second and another in 100 years, then obviously the one who destroys the galaxy in 1 second is more powerful. But the one who destroys the galaxy in 100 years is still galaxy-level. You’re giving me an example that’s supposed to contradict me, but in reality it actually proves me right.

A small detail: I was talking about a real Big Crunch of our world when I used that example, but if you’re talking about Cyn’s Big Crunch, even though that’s not what I meant originally, well, an annihilation of reality isn’t what I’d call an environmental destruction.

Because no one dodged them while they were moving at that speed?

But that’s not the argument, the calculation is only there to determine the speed of the tentacles.

They narrowly dodged a missile, and now it's exploding.

No, otherwise the explosion wouldn’t be right behind.

If I see someone about to pull a trigger and move, does that mean I'm faster than a bullet?

Except that’s not what happens, she dodges the laser when it’s fired. You said it yourself, we see the light, so it’s fired before she even moves.

Headcannon, you have no evidence of how long it took for Uzi to reach that distance. So the timeframe in the calculation is wrong and should be removed.
It's actually not, since what's in question is not the explosion itself, but the timeframe.

But it doesn’t matter how long it took, that doesn’t change the fact that Uzi survived the destruction of a planet while being at the epicenter. We can see the white flash.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So yes, they can vary, but this one is powerful because this gravitational wave that was detected can only be the Earth’s null point, which is located four times farther away than the Earth–Proxima distance. The distance between Earth and Cooper9 was calculated to be 18.00516 light-years.

That still tells us nothing about its exact output. It being 'powerful' is not helpful.

The calendar used is this one, and these calendars are counted in days, not years or months...

Days aren't mentioned on the one in the video, and it doesn't change the fact that you're guessing.

And besides, they're not going to leave pages all over the floor.

There should still be 87 pages on the calendar for the remaining 87 days, so you say.

Yes, of course, if one character destroys a galaxy in 1 second and another in 100 years, then obviously the one who destroys the galaxy in 1 second is more powerful. But the one who destroys the galaxy in 100 years is still galaxy-level. You’re giving me an example that’s supposed to contradict me, but in reality it actually proves me right.

No, you're just wrong; that's not our site standards at all.

Universe-level, Multi-Galaxy level, Galaxy-level Multi Star-level and Solar System level are defined on this Wiki as one omnidirectional blast that destroys everything from the center to the edge.

Destruction overtime like this doesn't scale to those levels. If you were to destroy all planets in the Solar System and the Sun using 9 beams of energy, each directed at them precisely, that wouldn't be Solar System level as it's far lower than a Solar System-sized omnidirectional explosion that can destroy all planets.

If Kid Buu were to destroy galaxies with one-shot from an energy blast and destroy the universe would be destroyed after 1 thousand years, that wouldn't scale to universe level.

First take a look at the conceptualization of the tier, it's always important to see how things actually work here.

A small detail: I was talking about a real Big Crunch of our world when I used that example, but if you’re talking about Cyn’s Big Crunch, even though that’s not what I meant originally, well, an annihilation of reality isn’t what I’d call an environmental destruction.

You can break reality without destroying everything. Range is a thing.

But that’s not the argument, the calculation is only there to determine the speed of the tentacles.

People are scaling to the tentacles; if there is no reason for them to scale to it, then they shouldn't.

No, otherwise the explosion wouldn’t be right behind.

That makes no sense.

Except that’s not what happens, she dodges the laser when it’s fired. You said it yourself, we see the light, so it’s fired before she even moves.

No, she sees a flash of light before the laser. I'm not debating this; this is wiki standards.

But it doesn’t matter how long it took, that doesn’t change the fact that Uzi survived the destruction of a planet while being at the epicenter. We can see the white flash.

It does, because the timeframe is being used to determine the exact strength of the blast, and if the timeframe is wrong, then the energy output is wrong as well, which makes the entire calc wrong.

 

[Psychomaster35]

I also took a look at the speed ratings, and they don’t make much sense either.

• Massively FTL (One of her tendrils was able to tag N's landing pod which is able to move this fast. Should be comparable to other Worker Drones who are capable of outrunning missile explosions)

Firstly, why is anyone scaling to Cyn’s tendrils? Only Cyn has ever been shown to possess them, and she never actually uses them offensively against another character. That means no one else should be scaling to their speed.

To be fair, at the end of episode 3, there's the feat of a random Worker Drone jumping out of the way of a crashlanding landing pod, so I'm pretty sure that would be a way for all of the characters to scale to the landing pod's speed.

Lastly, covering durability, we have the feat of Uzi surviving the destruction of a planet. I’m not sure why or how this calc was accepted when the timeframe being used is based entirely on a fade-to-black jump cut. Without any direct indication, the event could have taken seconds, minutes, or even longer we simply don’t know. Assuming a timeframe based solely on a jump cut is unreasonable.

Admittedly, at the time I did this calc, Episode 8 had yet to be out, and now that it's out, we do have a proper timeframe of this feat as indicated by Uzi's school being launched into space. So, it should be simple enough to fix.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

To be fair, at the end of episode 3, there's the feat of a random Worker Drone jumping out of the way of a crashlanding landing pod, so I'm pretty sure that would be a way for all of the characters to scale to the landing pod's speed.

It would feel like an outlier compared to all the other feats of characters' speed. But that's my opinion, I don't know how others feel about it.

Admittedly, at the time I did this calc, Episode 8 had yet to be out, and now that it's out, we do have a proper timeframe of this feat as indicated by Uzi's school being launched into space. So, it should be simple enough to fix.

Gotcha.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Looking at ActuallySpaceMan's arguments, I'm more convinced than ever. Agree with OP

 

[Lou_change]

But the one who destroys the galaxy in 100 years is still galaxy-level.

you only really need to be able to destroy the bodies making up a galaxy which is large star level and just do that a lot over 100 years

 

[AyOgUyS]

you only really need to be able to destroy the bodies making up a galaxy which is large star level and just do that a lot over 100 years

That feels wrong to me

 

[Kirua29]

That still tells us nothing about its exact output. It being 'powerful' is not helpful.

So far nobody has done any calculations on this, but we know the gravitational wave is powerful enough to be heard over very, very long distances. There will probably be a calculation done at some point, especially since we have all the information to do it.

Days aren't mentioned on the one in the video, and it doesn't change the fact that you're guessing.

Could you please, when I send a link showing you which calendar I’m talking about, click on it?

It’s the same one that’s used in Murder Drones. There are several types of calendars, and the one used, again, this one, only counts in days. So it’s not a guess, it’s just the same calendar.

There should still be 87 pages on the calendar for the remaining 87 days, so you say.

It’s my fault, I explained it poorly, what I mean is that it’s a cooldown-type calendar, so the other 86 are behind it, like in the link I shared earlier.

No, you're just wrong; that's not our site standards at all.

Very well, then tell me exactly where the specifications are for how long at most it should take to destroy a universe. Because all that is specified for this scale is that to be considered 'uni-level' it must either be capable of destroying a universe, controlling or influencing a universe, or creating a universe, and there is no time scale given anywhere.
It’s literally just on a case-by-case basis, as already mentioned.

You can break reality without destroying everything. Range is a thing.

Except, once again, that in this sentence Liam Vicker clearly says destroy the world and tear reality apart.

People are scaling to the tentacles; if there is no reason for them to scale to it, then they shouldn't.

Well, to figure out the striking speed of the tentacles, we’re on a site for the curious.

That makes no sense.

What do you mean, that doesn’t make sense, if it were the missile he dodged, he would just be farther away, that’s all.

No, she sees a flash of light before the laser. I'm not debating this; this is wiki standards.

BUT precisely, if there’s the presence of a flash, that means J’s shot was fired before Uzi moved, and therefore she really is reacting at the speed of a laser.

It does, because the timeframe is being used to determine the exact strength of the blast, and if the timeframe is wrong, then the energy output is wrong as well, which makes the entire calc wrong.

Well, I have to admit the calculation is less precise, but by no means false, because it doesn’t change the facts: she was present during the implosion, it’s literally shown on screen. Yes, we can’t calculate the exact amount of energy she endured, but we can still know that this energy was enough to destroy a planet.

 

[Kirua29]

you only really need to be able to destroy the bodies making up a galaxy which is large star level and just do that a lot over 100 years

Yes, okay, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about the collapse of a galaxy that would take 100 years, not the destruction of every system comprising a galaxy, because that would be more on the scale of the solar system, or at most, multiple solar systems.

The comparison with Cyn lies in the fact that Cyn would create a collapse of the universe in 87 days, like a big crunch, whereas a REAL big crunch, the hypothetical one of our universe, would take thousands of years and would clearly be categorized as a universal catastrophe. So why wouldn’t the exact same thing with Cyn, which is even faster than a natural phenomenon, not be considered universal level??? It doesn’t make any sense...

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah no arguments with the thread here

 

[AlloyAmi]

So no, it's not really a flashlight that causes them to crash, otherwise even the slightest light would cause them to crash. What's more likely is that the sentinel sends some kind of bootloop command, and the flash we see is just an illustration to show the viewer how it works. Otherwise, you'd have to prove that even the slightest flash can do that, but that's impossible.

Its an attack that's is quite literally a flash of light that has that hax. I wasn't saying or arguing all light does that to them, but this technique is literally via a flash of light that they very clearly cannot react to which doesnt change my point.

The other person bringing up the camera again isn't evena dressing what I was arguing. They cannot react to a specific technique thats performed via a flash of light. its very clear cut.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Yes, okay, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about the collapse of a galaxy that would take 100 years, not the destruction of every system comprising a galaxy, because that would be more on the scale of the solar system, or at most, multiple solar systems.

The comparison with Cyn lies in the fact that Cyn would create a collapse of the universe in 87 days, like a big crunch, whereas a REAL big crunch, the hypothetical one of our universe, would take thousands of years and would clearly be categorized as a universal catastrophe. So why wouldn’t the exact same thing with Cyn, which is even faster than a natural phenomenon, not be considered universal level??? It doesn’t make any sense...

The Big Crunch is more of a environmental thing. Think of it like how the King Titan from ARK: Survival Evolved can technically cause a planetary disaster via spreading Element that over a long time, seeps into the Earth and corrupts it. It's more like hax rather than AP.

 

[Kirua29]

Its an attack that's is quite literally a flash of light that has that hax. I wasn't saying all light does that to them, but this technique is performed via a flash of light that they very clearly cannot react to which doesnt change the point.

No, that’s not exactly what I meant. What I said is that the sentinel sends a bootloop command to the drones, which causes them to crash. The flash is only there to make it clear to the viewer what’s happening. Because a flash doesn’t send a command, so if it boots, that means the flash is only there for style and to make it clear to the viewer what happened.

With my demonstration, I just want to show you that there are several possible interpretations, so your point isn’t an anti-feat.

 

[Kirua29]

The Big Crunch is more of a environmental thing. Think of it like how the King Titan from ARK: Survival Evolved can technically cause a planetary disaster via spreading Element that over a long time, seeps into the Earth and corrupts it. It's more like hax rather than AP.

No, I already replied to that in another comment, an environmental thing can’t destroy the world and tear reality apart. Or Assimilate an entire universe.

 

[Lou_change]

That feels wrong to me

I mean for pretty much every tier after star level pre spacetime stuff using energy to mass equivalence for creation feats yield results a least a tier lower.

Also, in powerscaling, there’s absolutely no time scale, it’s all case by case. There’s no rule that says a character has to destroy a universe within a certain timeframe to be considered universal level. By that flawed logic, in our universe a big crunch, which could potentially destroy our universe over the course of thousands of years, wouldn’t count as a universal threat...

Being a threat to the entire universe just means you can destroy everything that is in said universe. If you had to destroy the universe by just destroying one galaxy at a time you are galaxy level.

 

[AlloyAmi]

No, that’s not exactly what I meant. What I said is that the sentinel sends a bootloop command to the drones, which causes them to crash. The flash is only there to make it clear to the viewer what’s happening.

With my demonstration, I just want to show you that there are several possible interpretations, so your point isn’t an anti-feat.

That's literal headcanon, youre arguing the flash isnt actually there because "I say so" and is just a "representation" of a hax when realistically its just the light that has the hax itself akin to pk flash.

The light is objectively there as shown with tessa, and otherwise wtf would they be trying to dodge? nothing? why would they use reflective sunglasses to fight back? why would they fight back by closing their eyes and looking away? its literally shown to be via flashes of light, saying otherwise is literally arguing against whats literally shown to you.

 

[Da3ggman]

Agree FRA

 

[AlloyAmi]

I see the universe level ratings are being discussed once again, so ill just port over my reasonings regarding why this " big crunch feat" is entirely wrong and unreliable:

In this CRT, Cyn was given "up to 3-A with the Absolute Solver" for 3 main things:

First: In the Episode 7, we have some important informations, the scientists wrote that the singularity (the Absolute Solver) is consuming everything, this alone could be vague, however, in the same wall we can see another poster saying "time to the universe big crunch" with a countdown calendar there showing the number 87, and countdown calendars usually works by days, so... in 87 days the Absolute Solver was going to cause a big crunch, and for these who doesnt know what a big crunch is... well, it's basically the collapse of the entire universe

Also, in an official ad made by Glitch itself, it's stated that "the world is ending and reality is breaking apart" in reference to the solver, and again, the statement alone could be vague, but we don't have just that statement alone, as I showed here, also, the Solver claims to be "the solver of the absolute fabric, the void, the exponential end"

Also, as we can see in the Episode 6, Tessa (actually it's Cyn) told N that he would have to choose the entire Universe over a little drone, and since it's literally Cyn talking here, we don't have any reason to believe that she's not able to destroy/eat the entire universe, the statement alone could be vague, but since we have all the previous evidences I guess it's safe to believe the Absolute Solver is Universal

However these arguments have some overlooked issues and is outright wrong entirely. Let's get into the issues:

The first scan comes from a poster that says time to universe big crunch that is seen in the background here. Not only was it officially stated to be part of a series of subtly added memes/sneaky references (clearly being a joke on "WAS THAT THE BITE OF 87!??", crunch, 87), but those posters at that moment are from the time of when humans were on the planet researching and doing stuff within the cabin fever cathedral, meaning this statement was made before the core of the planet even blew up and before humans on Copper 9 were killed off, with uzi being treated as an infant around this time period. The issue with this? Uzi is currently 18-20 years old based on their classmates, meaning the 87 day big crunch stuff is simply just not true.

This also goes again the point of how single singularities don't go beyond the scope of a planet as seen with Earth's singularity not expanding beyond it, and Cyn had to make multiple of them to destroy other planets humans were on, and Copper 9 was simply their latest target as thats the entire point of the series. It also appears that even for just a singular singularity created for the destruction of Copper 9, it is overtime as obviously Cyn was stopped before Copper 9 was completely obliterated to the scale of how Earth was, despite them clearly doing some damage.

Overall, it doesn't align up with the timeline of the series at all, with multiple years passing with nothing near a big crunch but single overtime singularities destroying planets overtime, and is clearly a joke alongside many of the other posters as officially stated.

Regarding "the world is ending and reality is breaking apart",

this is dramatic promotional material hype up purposely meant to contrast with the silly plush follow up of the video, and even then world is clearly refering to Copper 9 considering the context of episode 8 and the solver already warps reality with stuff like nulls and how we see them manipulation information/code to manipulate reality, so this still wouldnt prove its universal. It also calling itself "the exponential end" also doesn't really mean much as again, its going to end all life and their planet as they did with humans.

Regarding Tessa telling N that he would have to choose the entire Universe over a little drone,

this is referring to how nothing will be able to stop Cyn and they eventually wipe everything out in terms of life with what we contextually see is via singularities that destroy single planets at the time as mentioned above.

Overall, this feat shouldn't be included at all and should just be removed entirely as it simply isn't legitimate.

 

[Kirua29]

Being a threat to the entire universe just means you can destroy everything that is in said universe. If you had to destroy the universe by just destroying one galaxy at a time you are galaxy level.

"Yes, I know, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m saying the destruction of a universe wouldn’t necessarily be little by little, but rather a collapse that would take time, like the big crunch of our universe, which would take several thousand years.

 

[Kirua29]

That's literal headcanon, youre arguing the flash isnt actually there because "I say so" and is just a "representation" of a hax when realistically its just the light that has the hax itself akin to pk flash.

The light is objectively there as shown with tessa, and otherwise wtf would they be trying to dodge? nothing? why would they use reflective sunglasses to fight back? why would they fight back by closing their eyes and looking away? its literally shown to be via flashes of light, saying otherwise is literally arguing against whats literally shown to you.

If what I’m saying is a ‘headcanon’ because it’s an interpretation, then what you’re saying is also just a different interpretation from mine and therefore also a ‘headcanon,’ and so not an anti-feat. That’s exactly the point I was trying to make.

 

[AlloyAmi]

If what I’m saying is a ‘headcanon’ because it’s an interpretation, then what you’re saying is also just a different interpretation from mine and therefore also a ‘headcanon,’ and so not an anti-feat. That’s exactly the point I was trying to make.

theres is no "interpretation" to be had, we see it on screen multiple times along with its behavior and how they the characters deal with it, its as literal as flash of light can get. theres no vagueness or interpretation to be had behind it.

i guess any basic thing visually is just an interpretation of something and not literal by your logic. this is very clearly excuse making to ignore these very notable anti feats in the series.

 

[AyOgUyS]

No, I already replied to that in another comment, an environmental thing can’t destroy the world and tear reality apart. Or Assimilate an entire universe.

Isn't the Absolute Solver's destruction of the universe basically just causing a Big Crunch that will eventually collapse the universe? If so, wouldn't this be more of a chain reaction type of feat? Also yea, an environmental thing absolutely can tear reality apart. For example, let's say Character A like idk, breaks the barriers between universes or sum shi which causes universes to corrode or something. That's absolutely an environmental effect because environmental destruction is just non combat applicable destruction of a big area
"Environmental Destruction describes a character's capability to damage and destroy an area around themselves, but not necessarily their capacity to realistically harm their opponent. In practice, this is essentially a non-combat applicable Attack Potency; if a character is able to cause weather phenomena or natural disasters without any reasoning that can support their other statistics being at this level of destructive potency, then they should have trouble or lack the capacity to use these powers to damage characters in comparable tiers."
If I cause an event that will eventually destroy a universe, that would qualify

 

[AyOgUyS]

theres is no "interpretation" to be had, we see it on screen multiple times along with its behavior and how they the characters deal with it, its as literal as flash of light can get. theres no vagueness or interpretation to be had behind it.

i guess any basic thing visually is just an interpretation of something and not literal by your logic. this is very clearly excuse making to ignore these very notable anti feats in the series.

Agreed

 

[AyOgUyS]

I see the universe level ratings are being discussed once again, so ill just port over my reasonings regarding why this " big crunch feat" is entirely wrong and unreliable:

In this CRT, Cyn was given "up to 3-A with the Absolute Solver" for 3 main things:

However these arguments have some overlooked issues and is outright wrong entirely. Let's get into the issues:

The first scan comes from a poster that says time to universe big crunch that is seen in the background here. Not only was it officially stated to be part of a series of subtly added memes/sneaky references (clearly being a joke on "WAS THAT THE BITE OF 87!??", crunch, 87), but those posters at that moment are from the time of when humans were on the planet researching and doing stuff within the cabin fever cathedral, meaning this statement was made before the core of the planet even blew up and before humans on Copper 9 were killed off, with uzi being treated as an infant around this time period. The issue with this? Uzi is currently 18-20 years old based on their classmates, meaning the 87 day big crunch stuff is simply just not true.

This also goes again the point of how single singularities don't go beyond the scope of a planet as seen with Earth's singularity not expanding beyond it, and Cyn had to make multiple of them to destroy other planets humans were on, and Copper 9 was simply their latest target as thats the entire point of the series. It also appears that even for just a singular singularity created for the destruction of Copper 9, it is overtime as obviously Cyn was stopped before Copper 9 was completely obliterated to the scale of how Earth was, despite them clearly doing some damage.

Overall, it doesn't align up with the timeline of the series at all, with multiple years passing with nothing near a big crunch but single overtime singularities destroying planets overtime, and is clearly a joke alongside many of the other posters as officially stated.

Regarding "the world is ending and reality is breaking apart",

this is dramatic promotional material hype up purposely meant to contrast with the silly plush follow up of the video, and even then world is clearly refering to Copper 9 considering the context of episode 8 and the solver already warps reality with stuff like nulls and how we see them manipulation information/code to manipulate reality, so this still wouldnt prove its universal. It also calling itself "the exponential end" also doesn't really mean much as again, its going to end all life and their planet as they did with humans.

Regarding Tessa telling N that he would have to choose the entire Universe over a little drone,

this is referring to how nothing will be able to stop Cyn and they eventually wipe everything out in terms of life with what we contextually see is via singularities that destroy single planets at the time as mentioned above.

Overall, this feat shouldn't be included at all and should just be removed entirely as it simply isn't legitimate.

Agreed

 

[Kirua29]

The first scan comes from a poster that says time to universe big crunch that is seen in the background here. Not only was it officially stated to be part of a series of subtly added memes/sneaky references (clearly being a joke on "WAS THAT THE BITE OF 87!??", crunch, 87), but those posters at that moment are from the time of when humans were on the planet researching and doing stuff within the cabin fever cathedral, meaning this statement was made before the core of the planet even blew up and before humans on Copper 9 were killed off, with uzi being treated as an infant around this time period. The issue with this? Uzi is currently 18-20 years old based on their classmates, meaning the 87 day big crunch stuff is simply just not true.

Not at all… It’s even confirmed as canon. Glitch confirms the canonicity of one of the Easter eggs, and encourages people to look for the other Easter eggs, referring to them as ‘extra details.’ So with this sentence he once again confirms the canonicity of the other Easter eggs.

And this Easter egg actually shows how long it would take the Solver to assimilate the entire universe, not how much time is left in the assimilation, since the assimilation hasn’t started yet.

This also goes again the point of how single singularities don't go beyond the scope of a planet as seen with Earth's singularity not expanding beyond it, and Cyn had to make multiple of them to destroy other planets humans were on, and Copper 9 was simply their latest target as thats the entire point of the series. It also appears that even for just a singular singularity created for the destruction of Copper 9, it is overtime as obviously Cyn was stopped before Copper 9 was completely obliterated to the scale of how Earth was, despite them clearly doing some damage.

Tell me, why should Cyn extend the singularity she used on Earth any further, knowing that her goal is to have fun destroying all the human colonies herself, especially since she actually moves around herself? And that’s also false, since we know she assimilated all of Proxima Centauri.

Overall, it doesn't align up with the timeline of the series at all, with multiple years passing with nothing near a big crunch but single overtime singularities destroying planets overtime, and is clearly a joke alongside many of the other posters as officially stated.

Well then no, that statement falls apart, since Cyn, as already shown, wanted to kill all the humans herself for fun first. So this shows that the assimilation project isn’t that important to her, and that she actually prefers to have fun, keeping the assimilation specifically for the end of Episode 8, which is why Liam Vicker said she would destroy the world and reality. So no, it does respect the lore.

Regarding "the world is ending and reality is breaking apart",
this is dramatic promotional material hype up purposely meant to contrast with the silly plush follow up of the video,

It’s an intentional fallacy: you take the author’s statement and say it’s just humor without being able to prove it, obviously.

 

[Kirua29]

Isn't the Absolute Solver's destruction of the universe basically just causing a Big Crunch that will eventually collapse the universe? If so, wouldn't this be more of a chain reaction type of feat?

So according to you… the big crunch of OUR universe wouldn’t be a universal catastrophe with your logic… No, because it’s a collapse of reality, and therefore of a universe, not a destruction galaxy by galaxy, so it’s nothing alike.

Also yea, an environmental thing absolutely can tear reality apart. For example, let's say Character A like idk, breaks the barriers between universes or sum shi which causes universes to corrode or something. That's absolutely an environmental effect because environmental destruction is just non combat applicable destruction of a big area

"Environmental Destruction describes a character's capability to damage and destroy an area around themselves, but not necessarily their capacity to realistically harm their opponent. In practice, this is essentially a non-combat applicable Attack Potency; if a character is able to cause weather phenomena or natural disasters without any reasoning that can support their other statistics being at this level of destructive potency, then they should have trouble or lack the capacity to use these powers to damage characters in comparable tiers."
If I cause an event that will eventually destroy a universe, that would qualif.

So, you don’t really know if that’s the case and you can’t prove it — that’s basically what you just said.

 

[Kirua29]

theres is no "interpretation" to be had, we see it on screen multiple times along with its behavior and how they the characters deal with it, its as literal as flash of light can get. theres no vagueness or interpretation to be had behind it.

i guess any basic thing visually is just an interpretation of something and not literal by your logic. this is very clearly excuse making to ignore these very notable anti feats in the series.

I’m not saying otherwise, I know it’s a flash, we can see that too, but what’s really happening, and this is what I explained, is that the sentinel sends a bootloop command into the drones, which makes them crash. But a flash cant do that, so it’s not actually the flash causing it but her gaze, and the flash is just there to express that.

 

[AlloyAmi]

Not at all… It’s even confirmed as canon. Glitch confirms the canonicity of one of the Easter eggs, and encourages people to look for the other Easter eggs, referring to them as ‘extra details.’ So with this sentence he once again confirms the canonicity of the other Easter eggs.

I never said its not canon, just that its not literal, which i clearly proved as the calendar is literally proven wrong. Also not every single easter egg is going to be a literal canon detail, as they directly said, some are literal memes. the big crunch happening in 87 days is a silly reference to was that the bite of 87. Taking it literally in verse doesnt line up which i explained in OP.

And this Easter egg actually shows how long it would take the Solver to assimilate the entire universe, not how much time is left in the assimilation, since the assimilation hasn’t started yet.

I don't see how this proves anything youre suggesting?

Tell me, why should Cyn extend the singularity she used on Earth any further, knowing that her goal is to have fun destroying all the human colonies herself, especially since she actually moves around herself?

maybe cuz thats their goal and the entire agenda of this scaling is that the solver is eventually going to become universal (which is clearly isnt showing to be). episode 7 and 8 already prove a single one to destroy the planet is overtime, otherwise they would have just done it and called it a day. theres nothing suggesting they have something bigger then this, these singularities are the biggest means of destruction and they stop her before she completely do it to their planet beyond repair, thats the main point of the series.

And that’s also false, since we know she assimilated all of Proxima Centauri.

Don't know what youre even talking about here, this planet described to be destroyed like the rest of them and the same fate was to come to copper 9 with the planet being torn apart like earth by the singularity which we see the process beginning in episode 7/8.

Well then no, that statement falls apart, since Cyn, as already shown, wanted to kill all the humans herself for fun first. So this shows that the assimilation project isn’t that important to her, and that she actually prefers to have fun, keeping the assimilation specifically for the end of Episode 8, which is why Liam Vicker said she would destroy the world and reality. So no, it does respect the lore.

It doesn't even say shes destroying the universe, just "reality is breaking apart" which I already explained why this isn't universal in my OP and literally the next line the narrator says "As the planet crumbles and devours itself". whats happening in episode 8 isnt beyond the planet lmao. Even doll who understands their plan directly confirms this. The series directly shows and tells us the events of episode 8 are just what happened to the other planets.

It’s an intentional fallacy: you take the author’s statement and say it’s just humor without being able to prove it, obviously.

its to heavily contrast with the silly plush marketing video I already explained it in the op. And once again, the stakes of episode 8 is copper 9, a singular planet.

 

[AlloyAmi]

I’m not saying otherwise, I know it’s a flash, we can see that too, but what’s really happening, and this is what I explained, is that the sentinel sends a bootloop command into the drones, which makes them crash. But a flash cant do that, so it’s not actually the flash causing it but her gaze, and the flash is just there to express that.

its hax via the flash of light, pk flash is of the same manner. the technique itself is still literally the flash of light though. if it was just the gaze why would they have reflective glasses counter it? and its clearly from the light source on the top of their head, not their gaze/look. standardly looking at them doesnt do anything, its when they specifically do the flash of light that even makes a sound akin to a camera flashing.

tldr, its clearly their light causing the effects directly which they very clearly show