Astral_Trinity439
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Hello there, this will be my first thread related to TenSura directly on this wiki, so let's start.
First of all, the definition of NEP2:
To start off, it's already been accepted that Turn Null is the Primordial Energy that was there before anything and everything, granting it NEP1.
However, what was ignored was that the "everything" already includes a NEP1 structure.
So to say, theForbidden Void and it's negative energy is what is actually conventional non-existence[NEP1]. It has also been shown that existence and non-existence, positive and negative energy, are in a clashing/opposite relationship, both of these cancel out each other, and what remains after both existence and non-existence[forbidden Void] vanishes, is Turn Null, the state of 0.
In binary Logic, if -1 is the Forbidden Void, and 1 is Existence, than Turn Null would be something that is neither of these, in other words, it is beyond Conventional non-existence, and actually NEP2.
Edit : Also, [positive and negative]energy is not something physical, as it makes up Spiritual Lifeforms that lack a physical body, and are pure energy beings.
As turn null is non-existent to literally the whole world, it would include anything, from the Great Spirits, to many other aspects, from which he would gain:
Aspect Types :
Alternative possible upgrades:
Beyond Dimensional Existence
Now, as we may already know, Great Spirit of Sky is the conception of space, meanwhile the Great Spirit of time is the conception of time within the verse. Furthermore, Turn Null[Nothingness] existed even before the Dual concepts of Light and Darkness, that existed before the conception of space and time. This would grant Turn Null, and resultantly Rimuru, who can make his body out of Turn Null, Beyond Dimensional Existence [Typewhich is agreed upon 1] depending on if we treat Turn Null as superior to these concepts or just the absence of them. Added --> This upgrade[BDE] is suggestively for his EOST key, not true dragon key, though suggestions and thoughts are much appreciated ;D
Conclusive :
-WN Rimuru's True Dragon key gains Nonexistent Physiology [Type 2] as he can make his body out of Turn Null energy too.
Edit : Note that am not explicitly stating that he should be a certain type, I said "whatever he qualifies for", meaning if he qualifies for type 1, he will get it, and IF[let's just say, IF] he ever does it with type 2, than that. I'm not saying he should be a specific type, am saying he should be the type that we agree upon. That can be either type 1, OR type 2. If you want me to completely remove type 2 from the OP, sure, say it, and I'll do it, but don't be a sicko and assume things ;D
Agree with All :
ashen [With everything technically since BDE2 is optional]
TheprOO11
Agree with NEP related stuff :
Tempestdragon6,
MrTim,
Incomprehensibleexistence,
ashen,
BlackCat,
Dark_Soul20189,
Velvian_can
Wikisource [Except Aspect 5 on <<Power>>]
Dog3352 [Except Aspect 5 on <<Power>>]
TheprOO11
Agreed with BDE[Any type agreed upon-- will be specified] :
ashen [with BDE1]
Wikisource [With BDE1]
TheprOO11
Shiraito983 [With BDE1]
Neutral :
Tempestdragon6 [With BDE1],
MrTim [With BDE1],
Incomprehensibleexistence [With BDE1],
ashen [With NEP on "Power" -- leaning towards disagreeing],
BlackCat [With BDE1],
Dark_Soul20189 [With BDE1, leaning towards agreeing],
Mizuki67 [With NEP2]
Wikisource [With Aspect 5 on <<Power>>]
Dog3352 [With BDE1 and Aspect 5 on <<Power>>]
Disagree :
First of all, the definition of NEP2:
- Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.
To start off, it's already been accepted that Turn Null is the Primordial Energy that was there before anything and everything, granting it NEP1.
However, what was ignored was that the "everything" already includes a NEP1 structure.
So to say, the
In binary Logic, if -1 is the Forbidden Void, and 1 is Existence, than Turn Null would be something that is neither of these, in other words, it is beyond Conventional non-existence, and actually NEP2.
Edit : Also, [positive and negative]energy is not something physical, as it makes up Spiritual Lifeforms that lack a physical body, and are pure energy beings.
As turn null is non-existent to literally the whole world, it would include anything, from the Great Spirits, to many other aspects, from which he would gain:
Aspect Types :
- Type 1 : Spiritual Non-Existent : Great Spirit of Sky is information, and everything in TenSura is made up of information, including the soul and mind. As turn null exceeds information, meaning Rimuru's Information [in-verse] is non-existent, it means his Soul is also non-existent as souls are a lump of information.
- Type 2 : Conceptual Non-Existent : Same reason as before
- Type 3 : Mental Non-Existent : Soul and mind are made of information, furthermore, as stated in his profile, his "memories" are stored in his soul, which is non-existent. Resultantly, he gains this aspect type as well.
(Rimuru's memories are stored in his astral body, and as long as he retains his conscious soul and memory, he can be revived even when his body is completely damaged. In other words, he can think with his soul and is thus immune to mind control effects) -- Resistances Tag for Demon Slime Key
- Type 4 : Information : Obvious, but remains the same as before.
- Type 5 : Others :He has multiple other things that are Non-existent, such as:
- Energy : Great Spirits are "Pure Energy", while Turn Null is a "Void energy" that precedes and is non-existent to the great spirits.
- Power : "Skills" that are essentially his "Powers and abilities", are made up of information, and inscribed within one's soul, as his information and soul are non-existent, his skills will be as well.
Alternative possible upgrades:
Beyond Dimensional Existence
Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them.
Now, we know that Turn Null existed prior to, and after the destruction of the world, including the destruction of the Great Spirits.Type 2:Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features and being superior to them in nature. These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown.
Now, as we may already know, Great Spirit of Sky is the conception of space, meanwhile the Great Spirit of time is the conception of time within the verse. Furthermore, Turn Null[Nothingness] existed even before the Dual concepts of Light and Darkness, that existed before the conception of space and time. This would grant Turn Null, and resultantly Rimuru, who can make his body out of Turn Null, Beyond Dimensional Existence [Type
Conclusive :
-WN Rimuru's True Dragon key gains Nonexistent Physiology [Type 2] as he can make his body out of Turn Null energy too.
- Gains Non-existent erasure, as he can destroy and recreate the world, which would technically involve the forbidden void and its non-existence
- Gains resistance to Non-Existent Erasure as he has resistance to all abilities he has acquired/analyzed.
- Details should be added that his type of NEP2 can survive the destruction of his plane of existence, as he wasn't affected by the destruction of the conception of space and time[great spirits] of his plane of existence.
BDE[Any type that is agreed upon] should be added as well.
- BDE1 should be added to his EOST Profile
Agree with All :
ashen [With everything technically since BDE2 is optional]
TheprOO11
Agree with NEP related stuff :
Tempestdragon6,
MrTim,
Incomprehensibleexistence,
ashen,
BlackCat,
Dark_Soul20189,
Velvian_can
Wikisource [Except Aspect 5 on <<Power>>]
Dog3352 [Except Aspect 5 on <<Power>>]
TheprOO11
Agreed with BDE[Any type agreed upon-- will be specified] :
ashen [with BDE1]
Wikisource [With BDE1]
TheprOO11
Shiraito983 [With BDE1]
Neutral :
Tempestdragon6 [With BDE1],
MrTim [With BDE1],
Incomprehensibleexistence [With BDE1],
ashen [With NEP on "Power" -- leaning towards disagreeing],
BlackCat [With BDE1],
Dark_Soul20189 [With BDE1, leaning towards agreeing],
Mizuki67 [With NEP2]
Wikisource [With Aspect 5 on <<Power>>]
Dog3352 [With BDE1 and Aspect 5 on <<Power>>]
Disagree :
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