One Piece: Locking The Verse

[KingTempest]

My foot is being put down.
The purpose of this thread is to lock a verse. I don't know how that's done and nobody I ask is giving me the steps to do so, so I'm doing it here.

So an issue for the One Piece verse has arisen, or rather it's been a thing for years and we're finally tackling it because it's frustrating dealing with it.

So we have dozens of profiles. Probably over a hundred. In fact it's one of the largest verses on the wiki behind the collaborative multiverses worth of characters. And because a large echelon of individuals scale to each calc we make, revising it is hell. That's not a problem though, because the scalers are usually competent enough and capable of working on the profiles with minimal issues.

Notice how I say usually.

In the past few years, every time we have armadas of new profiles, new scaling, new anything to make, we get our dose of "oh this calc is wrong we need to revise the entire verse but I won't give any alternatives so figure it out yourself" individuals. We've had over 15 different calc revisions for the upper echelon of the verse in the past few years that have been deleted over nonsense.

I don't care for context right now because this thread will be derailed worrying about verse specifics.

I request that the verse is locked.​

Nobody touches the verse whatsoever. No calc threads. No content revisions. Honestly don't even make versus threads until the profiles are fixed.
We need to figure out the physics of the planet because every calculation involving the planet is now disregarded.
Calcs of the atmosphere (clouds).
Calcs of the island sizes.
Calcs of the actual celestial planet itself.
And many more.
We can't make any calculations because "it's not earth" or "we don't know". We've went through too many calc switches in the past few years. We can't handle scaling, make profiles, fix profiles, fix calcs, anything because there's always a huge revision in the middle of our big revisions that need to be tackled.

I also request that these users have the capability of speaking here.
@Kachon123 and @Eminiteable.
They've literally been through every step of this, and not giving them a voice would be a disservice.

I also ask that nobody mentions any names of the obvious culprits. This thread is to lock a verse, not to point fingers.

 

[Damage3245]

Personally, I disagre with this approach. It's a bit reactionary to some issues being pointed out in existing calculations - but what's the worst thing that would happen if we followed through on these?

Some profiles would have to be updated; that's about it. It's not a big enough issue to warrant preventing any changes at all if they need to take place.

I won't address any specific issues with the verse either because that's not what the OP is about. But here's how I see it:

1) A large number of issues is pointed out in the verse over time.

2) Instead of correcting the profiles to account for these issues; don't change any of the profiles.

It's a bit contradictory when you say "Honestly don't even make versus threads until the profiles are fixed." If the profiles can't be fixed because every profile is locked, then the profiles will never be fixed.

 

[KingTempest]

Personally, I disagre with this approach. It's a bit reactionary to some issues being pointed out in existing calculations - but what's the worst thing that would happen if we followed through on these?

Some profiles would have to be updated; that's about it. It's not a big enough issue to warrant preventing any changes at all if they need to take place.

I won't address any specific issues with the verse either because that's not what the OP is about. But here's how I see it:

1) A large number of issues is pointed out in the verse over time.

2) Instead of correcting the profiles to account for these issues; don't change any of the profiles.

It's a bit contradictory when you say "Honestly don't even make versus threads until the profiles are fixed." If the profiles can't be fixed because every profile is locked, then the profiles will never be fixed.

You fail to understand the issue and it's frustrating seeing so.

We literally can't calc anything. We are incapable of calculating the upper feats of the verse because we cannot figure out the physics. And when we do, someone doesn't like it.

We just found out we can't calculate earthquakes because the planet isn't earth.

This is not a reactionary approach. It's happened for over 4 years. This is an approach to 30 thousand problems with no solutions. A period of time to find solutions without having to fix other ****ups in the verse

 

[Damage3245]

There are many calculations still on the verse page. There has been no proposal to axe literally every single calc, as far as I'm aware of.

Locking the verse extends far beyond the issues of just the "upper feats". If an issue was found in an East Blue Saga calc, or an upgrade proposed to an Alabasta Arc character, this thread would prevent those changes from going through even though they've got nothing to do with the main issue here which you attribute to the planet size/mechanics of One Piece.

Why not just put a halt on any calculations that utilize the planet's statistics from being used until that is sorted out?

 

[KingTempest]

There are many calculations still on the verse page. There has been no proposal to axe literally every single calc, as far as I'm aware of.

Locking the verse extends far beyond the issues of just the "upper feats". If an issue was found in an East Blue Saga calc, or an upgrade proposed to an Alabasta Arc character, this thread would prevent those changes from going through even though they've got nothing to do with the main issue here which you attribute to the planet size/mechanics of One Piece.

Why not just put a halt on any calculations that utilize the planet's statistics from being used until that is sorted out?

In the past 3 months we have lost over 10 calculations. Every high tier feat has been nuked.

Our highest feat is Zoro cutting Pica. We are scaling God tiers to mid tier feats.

Do not piss me off.

 

[Ajandy123]

Personally, I disagre with this approach. It's a bit reactionary to some issues being pointed out in existing calculations - but what's the worst thing that would happen if we followed through on these?

Some profiles would have to be updated; that's about it. It's not a big enough issue to warrant preventing any changes at all if they need to take place.

I won't address any specific issues with the verse either because that's not what the OP is about. But here's how I see it:

1) A large number of issues is pointed out in the verse over time.

2) Instead of correcting the profiles to account for these issues; don't change any of the profiles.

It's a bit contradictory when you say "Honestly don't even make versus threads until the profiles are fixed." If the profiles can't be fixed because every profile is locked, then the profiles will never be fixed.

The issue here is that No scaling has been given a Solution So far There has been no effort to recaculate anything, Pre Ts Scaling is butchered there are calcs to be removed from the verse page so the pre ts scaling has to change, Post Ts Scaling is basically non existant at this point, Lifting strength has to be updated because a downgrade thread went through where all those calcs were basically essentially voided. The verse only has a solid Speed scale atm, The Entire AP and lifting strength section of the verse is all over the place, The Logical Solution Here is to Lock the Verse and Fix Everything, Because most of the calculations CANNOT be calculated by the site standards.

 

[Damage3245]

If you see a comment like that as being riling you up, then I don't know what to say.

 

[KingTempest]

The issue here is that No scaling has been given a Solution So far There has been no effort to recaculate anything, Pre Ts Scaling is butchered there are calcs to be removed from the verse page so the pre ts scaling has to change, Post Ts Scaling is basically non existant at this point, Lifting strength has to be updated because a downgrade thread went through where all those calcs were basically essentially voided. The verse only has a solid Speed scale atm, The Entire AP and lifting strength section of the verse is all over the place, The Logical Solution Here is to Lock the Verse and Fix Everything, Because most of the calculations CANNOT be calculated by the site standards.

Respectfully this is a staff thread. I respect where you're coming from so I won't delete this because it is important (and I'll consider this my approval for your 1 comment), but this is a staff thread for staff only. That's all I can say.

 

[KingTempest]

If you see a comment like that as being riling you up, then I don't know what to say.

It's not the comment it's the lack of understanding the issue and minimizing it.

If we're focused on east blue we can't edit anything.

Nobody touches the verse until we get everything situated. Why is that a problem?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems reasonable, the planet that One Piece taking place on is one of the biggest things that needs to be decided before we attempt any calculations dependent on effecting big chunks of the planet. I recall calculations where it's a planet that either dwarfs Jupiter or even our Yellow Sun. I mean, it's most definitely much larger than Earth, but how much larger is it actually is a different story. Likewise, that mainly gives us diameter that we could sort of calculate average volume, but that doesn't give us average density or average surface gravity. Which is a double edge sword as assuming the density is same as earth leads to it having hyper intense gravity, or having gravity similar to earth implies good chunks of density are super light/shallow. Or maybe it's due to something else, maybe the surface area of the planet is much larger, but the actual volume/density is more or less similar to earth and actual reason for its large surface combined with otherwise normal gravity is due to the core or most parts underneath having a lot of empty space instead of heavily condensed iron-nickel compound + many other alloys that condensed magma is made of.

But bottomline, there are too many unknown variables that we need to tackle before moving on yeah.

 

[Damage3245]

In the past 3 months we have lost over 10 calculations. Every high tier feat has been nuked.

Our highest feat is Zoro cutting Pica. We are scaling God tiers to mid tier feats.

Do not piss me off.

It's not the comment it's the lack of understanding the issue and minimizing it.

If we're focused on east blue we can't edit anything.

Nobody touches the verse until we get everything situated. Why is that a problem?

I get why it would be frustrating - and this isn't me attempting to minimize the issue with any kind of negative intention - but I do have to question whether this is such a big issue that it requires nobody be allowed to create threads for the verse.

In the Dragon Ball Z manga, every speed rating from the God Tiers down to the Low Tiers is derived from a scaling chain from beginning of Dragon Ball Z Piccolo, ending up all the way to Super Saiyan Vegito. Now, I'm not condoning this in Dragon Ball, but it does show that the wiki can bear with God Tiers getting their ratings from scaling chains that are derived from lower tier characters.

 

[Tllmbrg]

In the past 3 months we have lost over 10 calculations. Every high tier feat has been nuked.

Our highest feat is Zoro cutting Pica. We are scaling God tiers to mid tier feats.

Do not piss me off.

I don't see the issue?
There are a bunch of large verses out there that do that while they're figuring out other feats out, plus I don't think just because you can't figure out higher feats it's a valid reason to lock pages.

 

[KingTempest]

I get why it would be frustrating - and this isn't me attempting to minimize the issue with any kind of negative intention - but I do have to question whether this is such a big issue that it requires nobody be allowed to create threads for the verse.

In the Dragon Ball Z manga, every speed rating from the God Tiers down to the Low Tiers is derived from a scaling chain from beginning of Dragon Ball Z Piccolo, ending up all the way to Super Saiyan Vegito. Now, I'm not condoning this in Dragon Ball, but it does show that the wiki can bear with God Tiers getting their ratings from scaling chains that are derived from lower tier characters.

Do they get their calcs changed every 5 minutes?
Are they physically capable of calcing new feats or are they comfortable with what they have?
Do their multipliers showcase progression?

If we can't calculate superman blowing up a foreign planet are we gonna scale him to batman?

Your argument is bad because you don't even like that they do it so idky you're bringing it up

 

[KingTempest]

I don't see the issue?
There are a bunch of large verses out there that do that while they're figuring out other feats out, plus I don't think just because you can't figure out higher feats it's a valid reason to lock pages.

The issue is that literally every month when we try to figure out something for any of the verse, mainly the top tiers but it's stretching out to other characters as well, due to issues engrained in the verse itself, we cannot progress whatsoever.

We cannot make new profiles because whenever we do we're worried about old crap.

There is no large verse that has our issue. This is quite literally a super isolated incident. And because every single profile is connected, we don't have the luxury.

If you're asking me why we can't go and edit obscure page #5634 because of this then it's just a safety precaution. If you want to say we should, then whatever

 

[Damage3245]

Do they get their calcs changed every 5 minutes?
Are they physically capable of calcing new feats or are they comfortable with what they have?
Do their multipliers showcase progression?

If we can't calculate superman blowing up a foreign planet are we gonna scale him to batman?

Your argument is bad because you don't even like that they do it so idky you're bringing it up

When the verse is eventually unlocked, the verse still won't be completely settled unless you're planning on waiting for the whole series to be over. Calculations will still be analyzed. Issues missed early on may still end up discovered later. A new method may be discovered to re-calculate an old calc.

The work of the wiki is constantly ongoing and in flux. Just because we have to do some work now for the verse, and we may have to do more work later on when new calculations are created, doesn't seem like a good argument for locking down every profile. We'd be forcing ourselves to keep out of date information on our profiles for an indefinite amount of time.

 

[KingTempest]

When the verse is eventually unlocked, the verse still won't be completely settled unless you're planning on waiting for the whole series to be over. Calculations will still be analyzed. Issues missed early on may still end up discovered later.

The work of the wiki is constantly ongoing and in flux. Just because we have to do some work now for the verse, and we may have to do more work later on when new calculations are created, doesn't seem like a good argument for locking down every profile. We'd be forcing ourselves to keep out of date information on our profiles for an indefinite amount of time.

Jesus Christ do you not understand the issue?

Nobody's worried about "work to do for the verse".
All of the work done for the verse doesn't stick for more than a month.

There is a difference between "constant work" and "constantly changing 100+ pages monthly because somebody picked their nose before they blew a planet up".

The verse is in a constant state of deleting when we are trying to build. Even if we have no calcs we can't focus on
A. Scaling
B. New Profiles
C. The contents of the old profiles

We have like 3 arcs worth of characters with no profiles and we can't work on them because issues from feats made in 2010 pop up again.
Why is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[Kachon123]

This is obviously the best course of action. Dozens of supporting calcs have been removed for reasons only God knows and primary calcs have also been deemed uncalculable. Until further notice/new information is presented, the verse should be locked. It's simply not sustainable to continuously re-edit hundreds of profiles, only for all that work to be invalidated a week later due to yet another round of calc disputes. When this cycle happens repeatedly within just three months, it goes beyond being a minor inconvenience. And when the same problem continues for four years and counting, we have no choice but to draw a line.

 

[Tllmbrg]

The issue is that literally every month when we try to figure out something for any of the verse, mainly the top tiers but it's stretching out to other characters as well, due to issues engrained in the verse itself, we cannot progress whatsoever.

We cannot make new profiles because whenever we do we're worried about old crap.

There is no large verse that has our issue. This is quite literally a super isolated incident. And because every single profile is connected, we don't have the luxury.

If you're asking me why we can't go and edit obscure page #5634 because of this then it's just a safety precaution. If you want to say we should, then whatever

I'm like 90% sure Marvel and DC have a constant back and forth over the tiers of everyone, heck the verse notability standards was created to avoid super Bloat of characters that supporters need to edit.
In the end of tye day I just don't see what stops the verse from having place holder ratings off the highest currently accepted calcs while people figure out the other calcs. Your other examples like Superman and Batman just have me go "Yes? If the only approved calc in the verse is for Batman you'd upscale from that even if there are better feats."

 

[KingTempest]

I'm like 90% sure Marvel and DC have a constant back and forth over the tiers of everyone, heck the verse notability standards was created to avoid super Bloat of characters that supporters need to edit.
In the end of tye day I just don't see what stops the verse from having place holder ratings off the highest currently accepted calcs while people figure out the other calcs. Your other examples like Superman and Batman just have me go "Yes? If the only approved calc in the verse is for Batman you'd upscale from that even if there are better feats."

Marvel has constant back and forth with revisions in place.
Marvel will say "I don't think 2-A makes sense. Let's say 4-B because we see him blow up a solar system on panel".

One Piece will say "We can't calculate this and we won't go out of our way to try. So remove it."

You say this now but if all of the tier 5+ feats for marvel and DC go tomorrow the entire wiki will go to shit because Superman is scaling off of Batman

 

[Tllmbrg]

Marvel has constant back and forth with revisions in place.
Marvel will say "I don't think 2-A makes sense. Let's say 4-B because we see him blow up a solar system on panel".

One Piece will say "We can't calculate this and we won't go out of our way to try. So remove it."

You say this now but if all of the tier 5+ feats for marvel and DC go tomorrow the entire wiki will go to shit because Superman is scaling off of Batman

Sure people wouldn't like it, but I think locking the verse in either instance is just absurd. You are basically just closing the verse because you're annoyed you have lower ratings than you should have since the higher stuff can't be calced.

We have like 3 arcs worth of characters with no profiles and we can't work on them because issues from feats made in 2010 pop up again.
Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Like, okay? I really don't see the issue here, you just don't the calcs to make pages for those guys, that's not something that supports locking a verse.

The only verse in recent times that got locked was Tokyo Revengers, and that was a case where all the supporters turned to be unreliable due to pushing wack calcs. This is not remotely similar to this, I don't think we have a precedence for closing verses because a bunch of calcs got removed while there are portions of the verse still completely fine.

 

[KingTempest]

Sure people wouldn't like it, but I think locking the verse in either instance is just absurd. You are basically just closing the verse because you're annoyed you have lower ratings than you should have since the higher stuff can't be calced.

Like, okay? I really don't see the issue here, you just don't the calcs to make pages for those guys, that's not something that supports locking a verse.

The only verse in recent times that got locked was Tokyo Revengers, and that was a case where all the supporters turned to be unreliable due to pushing wack calcs. This is not remotely similar to this, I don't think we have a precedence for closing verses because a bunch of calcs got removed while there are portions of the verse still completely fine.

You do realize half of the verse has been changed again for the 5th time this year right?

Tllmbrg we are in a constant state of flux since over half the profiles in the verse are constantly being wiped clean and renewed every other month, and we are asking for more time to generate new updated profiles, fix the scaling, and more, so that when we have calculation problems like this, we aren't battling 6 other things at once.

We have bad lifting strength. Bad AP. Bad scaling, not values, SCALING. We're missing profiles from the last 3 SAGAS. We have profiles we need to make for individuals who debuted in 2017.
When we try to do so, we are hit with nonsense.

The issue is that the verse is actually terrible. It is bad. Nobody is worried about high feats. I don't care if they go from 5-C to 7-A.
The verse is shit and we're asking for time to stabilize and handle our current problems without people adding new ones. And the fact that that is controversial shows me how dumb the problem is.

 

[Tllmbrg]

You do realize half of the verse has been changed again for the 5th time this year right?

Tllmbrg we are in a constant state of flux since over half the profiles in the verse are constantly being wiped clean and renewed every other month, and we are asking for more time to generate new updated profiles, fix the scaling, and more, so that when we have calculation problems like this, we aren't battling 6 other things at once.

That's not a reason to lock a verse, ignoring how transparency matters here (That is doing those changes should be in the open, which a verse lock just prevents) I don't think frequency of change means anything here. It's a big verse with a boat load of supporters, that will be the case no matter what, I don't think the issue of people trying to change ratings often will stop afterwards.

We have bad lifting strength. Bad AP. Bad scaling, not values, SCALING. We're missing profiles from the last 3 SAGAS. We have profiles we need to make for individuals who debuted in 2017.

Bad stats are not a reason to lock a verse either, otherwise a lot of other stuff should be locked too, again there is no precedence for us ever doing that. Also I don't see how "We can't make pages for people who we can't figure the scaling to" is a point for locking the verse either, that's just a normal thing to do????

The issue is that the verse is actually terrible. It is bad. Nobody is worried about high feats. I don't care if they go from 5-C to 7-A.
The verse is shit and we're asking for time to stabilize and handle our current problems without people adding new ones. And the fact that that is controversial shows me how dumb the problem is.

Again I don't see why not have place-holder ratings off the accepted feats, and I don't think the fact that this thread is controversial shows anything actually.
I really don't think locking the verse fixes any of the issues you have, it just means that whatever group you form to "fix" the verse has all the power to decide whatever they want about the verse, which is now it should be imo.

 

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[Godernet]

While I can't speak too much on whether or not OP meets the criteria to be locked (It doesn't seem like we have strict outlines in place for when and where a verse can or should be locked)

I do feel like OP's current situation does bring into question whether CRTs should be stricter with having a solution or steps in place for replacing removed calcs or scaling within the same thread to avoid people who generally don't interact with the verse or are even supporters, from making downgrades and leaving verse supporters to pick up the pieces.

Because I can definitely see how that would be frustrating, especially in a popular verse like the HST verses, where getting calcs done, looked at, and accepted, then getting scaling looked at and accepted, is hard enough as it is, potentially taking weeks to months just to do.

 

[Qawsedf234]

having a solution or steps in place for replacing removed calcs or scaling within the same thread to avoid people who generally don't interact with the verse or are even supporters, from making downgrades and leaving verse supporters to pick up the pieces.

Agnaa made a good point in one of the ither staff threads:

There have been a few times where I've noticed blatantly incorrect calcs that are accepted on profiles, so I've made threads going "Hey, this is wrong, idk who scales or what the replacement feat should be, supporters plz help." I think those sorts of cases, where you're not trying to introduce a new level that may be inconsistent, merely pointing out the current level cannot stand, and where you're upfront that you'll need other people to help with the replacement/scaling, should preferably be fine.

If a calculation is wrong then its just wrong. We shouldn't made it hard for someone to say that the logic is unsound and it shouldn't be used because they may not be intimately familiar with a particular franchise.

In my mind, while I don't agree with a full verse lock, it may be warranted to do something like a "verse freeze". We've done it with Wano scaling when the final battle was going on and we've done it with One Punch Man a couple of times. Maybe we wait until the manga either ends or we get a sufficiently good grasp on the planet's size before doing more with the profiles.

 

[KingTempest]

I do feel like OP's current situation does bring into question whether CRTs should be stricter with having a solution or steps in place for replacing removed calcs or scaling within the same thread to avoid people who generally don't interact with the verse or are even supporters, from making downgrades and leaving verse supporters to pick up the pieces.

Because I can definitely see how that would be frustrating, especially in a popular verse like the HST verses, where getting calls done, looked at, and accepted, then getting scaling looked at and accepted, is hard enough as it is, potentially taking weeks to months just to do.

We have calcs that take weeks to finish, then take months to be accepted, some years, some still waiting to be accepted
We finally apply the calc
After revising 100 profiles, someone comes and says the calc is wrong due to random reasons. Not even "this calc is mathematically wrong", but "you can't do it because the dirt here isn't the dirt there"
Implements absolutely no solutions to change the calculation or to revise it or fix it, just saying "we aren't obligated to find new calcs or recalc it".
The calc is now gone, and we have to revise 100+ profiles, including scaling chains and whatnot.
This is a cycle that has went on and on.

It's not like it's just removing individual calcs, it's effectively shattering scaling chains. Cause it's one thing if the calc is downgraded and we just revise the tier, but nowe we need to completely requalify every profile because 1 user didn't think it was relevant enough to say "this needs to be revised".

Then who has to fix them? The same 3 users.

 

[Damage3245]

Then who has to fix them? The same 3 users.

That's just not true. Nobody is forcing a select group of users only to be responsible for maintaining the profiles.

In the case of the latest thread I've already said that I'll create a revision thread to address the profiles when the time comes.

In my mind, while I don't agree with a full verse lock, it may be warranted to do something like a "verse freeze". We've done it with Wano scaling when the final battle was going on and we've done it with One Punch Man a couple of times. Maybe we wait until the manga either ends or we get a sufficiently good grasp on the planet's size before doing more with the profiles.

We have informal limited verse freezes while the current arc is ongoing. Something like this could work but having it drag on indefinitely does not seem like a good prospect.

 

[Tllmbrg]

In my mind, while I don't agree with a full verse lock, it may be warranted to do something like a "verse freeze". We've done it with Wano scaling when the final battle was going on and we've done it with One Punch Man a couple of times. Maybe we wait until the manga either ends or we get a sufficiently good grasp on the planet's size before doing more with the profiles.

What about parts of the verse that just don't concern that or P&A stuff?
I don't think doing it over the whole verse over this issue is particularly reasonable, especially when I still don't think it solves a lot of these issues.

We have calcs that take weeks to finish, then take months to be accepted, some years, some still waiting to be accepted
We finally apply the calc
After revising 100 profiles, someone comes and says the calc is wrong due to random reasons. Not even "this calc is mathematically wrong", but "you can't do it because the dirt here isn't the dirt there"
Implements absolutely no solutions to change the calculation or to revise it or fix it, just saying "we aren't obligated to find new calcs or recalc it".
The calc is now gone, and we have to revise 100+ profiles, including scaling chains and whatnot.
This is a cycle that has went on and on.

It's not like it's just removing individual calcs, it's effectively shattering scaling chains. Cause it's one thing if the calc is downgraded and we just revise the tier, but nowe we need to completely requalify every profile because 1 user didn't think it was relevant enough to say "this needs to be revised".

Then who has to fix them? The same 3 users.

That just calls for a stricter standard for CRTs, not locking or freezing the verse. There are several degrees of solutions here, freezing/locking a verse is ideally a last resort thing, and so far I see no evidence we're there.

 

[Qawsedf234]

What about parts of the verse that just don't concern that or P&A stuff?

That's why it said a verse freeze. Being "froze" just means that no new information or feats should be implemented. It doesn't prevent existing things from being fixed or clarified. A verse lock would mean no changes at all can take place.

Something like this could work but having it drag on indefinitely does not seem like a good prospect.

The best example imo is when OPM was froze for a year dueing the Ninja Arc. Then everything got retconed at the end. That ultimately ended up being a good thing, since we didn't add a bunch of powers to profiles and then have to rewrite them.

If OP is having a problem of constant readjustment then it's to freeze it until its over or we get something very concrete then it is to rewrite a bunch of people constantly in my view.

 

[Damage3245]

That's why it said a verse freeze. Being "froze" just means that no new information or feats should be implemented. It doesn't prevent existing things from being fixed or clarified. A verse lock would mean no changes at all can take place.

How would that factor in with faulty calcs being removed? It seems like they'd be unaffected since they're not new.

The best example imo is when OPM was froze for a year dueing the Ninja Arc. Then everything got retconed at the end. That ultimately ended up being a good thing, since we didn't add a bunch of powers to profiles and then have to rewrite them.

If OP is having a problem of constant readjustment then it's to freeze it until its over or we get something very concrete then it is to rewrite a bunch of people constantly in my view.

It could work, but with OP's current pacing that could be 5 or 6 years away, if not longer.

 

[KingTempest]

Thank you Qaw

How would that factor in with faulty calcs being removed? It seems like they'd be unaffected since they're not new.


It could work, but with OP's current pacing that could be 5 or 6 years away, if not longer.

It could literally take us a month or two to redo everything

He's not saying the exact same thing as OPM, it's just the most known example. We previously did that for egghead but instead people edited literally everything else to where we couldn't even do egghead.

Pause/freeze/lock it, work on it behind the scenes, do everything else when capable, then when updated, unlock.

Also, if you're pre-planning bad calcs being moved then you should just remove them, how are you premeditating removing bad calcs? If it's bad then get it gone.

 

[Damage3245]

Also, if you're pre-planning bad calcs being moved then you should just remove them, how are you premeditating removing bad calcs? If it's bad then get it gone.

I moreso had in mind the calcs currently in active discussion on the other thread, not any other calcs currently in use.

 

[Qawsedf234]

How would that factor in with faulty calcs being removed?

It wouldn't. It just means that nothing new from the franchise would be used for the profiles. It doesn't prevent them from being changed or altered with CRTs.

could work, but with OP's current pacing that could be 5 or 6 years away, if not longer.

So we wait six years. Bleach hasn't touched there stuff since they're waiting on Cour 4, the MCU goes on occasionally locks waiting for movie releases in HD, comic CRTs are regularly frozen waiting for material to release or a storyline to finish.

Additionally the 5-6 years is only if relevant information is not introduced. If One Piece releases a databook or chapter that gives a planetary size, it seems the majority of the OP's core issues would be resolved and things can rapidly progress from there.

 

[Damage3245]

I see. A verse freeze makes more sense to me than a total verse lock.

 

[Tllmbrg]

So just to clarify, a verse freeze would mean you can't work on new content from X point but you can still do CRTs based on previous things?

 

[Godernet]

I can agree with a verse freeze

Edit: Thinking it over some more, would a verse freeze really help much in this scenario, though?

If the issue is that calcs keep being made and dismantled left and right, and revisions are presented at times with no solutions or assistance given by the OPs at times, then blocking off additional information being provided by an ongoing story that'll take potentially a decade to finish, some of which could be the difference maker in piecing together the One Piece World for its supporters could backfire.

Not to mention it seems that the vast majority of the issues stem from the AP part of the verse and its scaling/calcs, so I don't think those trying to add new profiles, speed calcs, or hax and lesser stats should suffer for it.

Is it possible to just freeze One Piece's AP calcs in general from being added or removed from the verse till a bigger CRT is made to rework how the OP planet is calc'd on site? maybe even a staff thread in regards to large fictional planets, such as the OP world, if needed to get the kind of traction it might need.

 

[KingTempest]

Sorry but a freeze (from what I'm seeing) is the prohibition of change until we get more material.

At the moment that isn't the issue. The issue isn't waiting for new things, it's the constant revision and attack of the old.

 

[Eminiteable]

It wouldn't. It just means that nothing new from the franchise would be used for the profiles. It doesn't prevent them from being changed or altered with CRTs.

Not sure that tackles the issues the OP presents.

The issue presented isn't that new stuff is constantly being added as we already agreed long ago to not add stuff until an arc has been concluded (since wano and this has been followed with egghead and Elbaf currently), effectively an unofficial freeze is already in place.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Sorry but a freeze (from what I'm seeing) is the prohibition of change until we get more material.

At the moment that isn't the issue. The issue isn't waiting for new things, it's the constant revision and attack of the old.

If you and the other supporters truly feel like there's an impass present then I think it's fine to lock the verse until something concrete comes then.

 

[Damage3245]

If you and the other supporters truly feel like there's an impass present then I think it's fine to lock the verse until something concrete comes then.

Shouldn't calcs that have already been agreed to be faulty be removed first from the verse? I can understand not wanting to add any new re-calcs until things like the planet or the islands sizes are settled, but continuing to use calculations that should be removed for potentially a few months seems wrong.