Regulus Corneas vs Binah

[ShadeyD]

Regulus: @Lort15 @NatsukiGoatbaru @SatellaTheWoE

Binah: @Mand21 @Jerry59 @Topaz404 @Trxyway
Regulus' wives are 50 meters away stored in a random building
Binah is in her Arbiter key
SBA

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok, I don't know much about library of ruina, so I gonna need some info. but this seems kinda of a stomp already.
Her profile says:

Weaknesses: Due to her power, was overly verbose in fights which could lead to an underestimation of her opponents, though this is moot as of the present. | Can be stunned and temporarily weakened through interacting with the Meltdowns she creates. | Cannot leave The Library.

Since is SBA, we using the last key of the character, which I assume is what this is refering.
So the battle in in The Library.

Now.

Immortality (Type 8, reliant on Angela. She will always resurrect Librarians, no matter how they die),

Do you know if this is combat apicable?
If the answer is not combat apicable, Regulus kills her by speedblitz unless I missing some passive that she have (she have a lot, but I don't see one that would prevent Regulus killing him).
If the answer is that it is combat apicable, she just eventually lands a hax that kills him.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Seems more in favor of Regulus for now but i will wait for more arguements for both sides

 

[Rayfire]

I don't wanna be that guy but why is this in joke battles, both profiles are from vs

 

[ShadeyD]

I think i misclicked

I don't wanna be that guy but why is this in joke battles, both profiles are from

 

[Mand21]

Are you sure you didn't forget to equalize speed? If Regulus' reflexes at all scale to his speed, he speedblitzes and makes this a stomp match. I'd like to ask for a speed equalization clause on this match, otherwise it is a stomp.

With a speed equalization clause, I'll note that the Arbiter self was specified, meaning this is not the Binah who cannot leave the Library. This is full power Binah.

I'd like to argue that Fairy should be able to lock even Regulus' Lion's Heart, as well as open up gaps on his supposedly absolute invulnerability through the ability to open anything. I'd like to argue that Regulus' ability should not be absolute before Binah, thanks to the presence of another very high hax ability.

Further, I'd like to argue for Genius level intelligence Binah, given that all Arbiters have shown an understanding of philosophical concepts, a sophisticated vocabulary and speech, and a deep understanding of the workings of the City, as well as having planned out its complex dystopian ecosystem. Binah should share that, meaning she's going to be walking loops around Regulus at every moment of the battle with her strategy.

I'd also like to argue that Binah's world possesses vastly more knowledge available than Regulus' in many relevant ways: the martial arts of the City have been developed to such a degree that completely unaugmented normal humans can be trained by a Color Fixer for two thousand years inside a W Corp train until they become so skilled that they're able to pose a threat to vastly superhuman individuals through sheer skill, and Binah should outskill even those kinds of individuals thanks to her status as an Arbiter, who are not only rulers but enforcers of the City's laws when push comes to shove. She should be able to fight at a Color+ level, on top of having the highest levels of augmentation available for City denizens.

I'd like to argue that with Binah's intellect, she could trap Regulus with his own ability, making him stop the time of an aspect of his body and not be able to unlock himself. If Regulus ever makes himself immovable to avoid being knocked back by an attack, she can use Chain/Key/Pillar to prevent him from changing the aspects in which his body's time is stopped and lock him in place, unable to move.

I'd like to argue that Binah is able to deal BLACK damage, or damage which is simultaneously neurological/mental/physical, causing damage that his time stop alone will not protect him from. I'd argue that even if he proves invulnerable to physical damage (which I have and will continue to argue that Binah can sneak around), Binah can still gradually build up mental damage until he collapses. Even though his stamina is infinite, she should be able to fight for an entire week or longer at peak condition, granting her more than enough time to torture Regulus to his breaking point.

Regulus will fall, in due time.

I vote for Binah.

 

[ShadeyD]

Are you sure you didn't forget to equalize speed? If Regulus' reflexes at all scale to his speed, he speedblitzes and makes this a stomp match. I'd like to ask for a speed equalization clause on this match, otherwise it is a stomp.

I believe equalization would only equalized Binah to Regulus' average human speed instead of his FTL attack speed, so she'd actually get blitzed if we were to equalize

 

[Arkansalter2]

Mmm.. black damage is able to neg through Reg's Invulnerability.

 

[Mand21]

I believe equalization would only equalized Binah to Regulus' average human speed instead of his FTL attack speed, so she'd actually get blitzed if we were to equalize

Can't you equalize Binah up to the FTL speed or equalize down the FTL speed? I don't see how speed equalization would ever cause a blitz.

Mmm.. black damage is able to neg through Reg's Invulnerability.

Yup. I think Binah takes this mid-diff provided she isn't getting blitzed to hell. Don't get me wrong, Regulus will be a very interesting puzzle for her to crack, but cracked he will be.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Pretty sure Binah takes this mid diff in due time. Due to Regulus's character, he would just yap and not realize he's being attacked until he just drops dead.
Binah, Mid Diff.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Can't you equalize Binah up to the FTL speed or equalize down the FTL speed? I don't see how speed equalization would ever cause a blitz.

Nah, Regulus' FTL stuff is via an amp, for lack of a better way to explain it, and his base speed is Average Human. Can't affect the former, since again it is an "amp", so Binah, via speed equal, would have her speed reduced to Average Human while Regu keeps his FTL stuff. Odd, but it is what it is.

Anyways... So... Uh, can I point this out this fact in SBA?

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

Wouldn't the bolded part just cause Regulus to lock in and not yap?

He yapped against Subaru and Reinhard cuz he knew they couldn't do anything to him and wasn't worried in the slightest, but SBA probably wouldn't give him that type of mindset against Binah.

And uh, assuming baseline speeds and not calcs or anything, Regulus' authority makes him 874.03x faster than Binah, He also just needs to breath to unleash an invisible dura-neg attack at Binah that she wouldn't be able to see (read: once Regulus' CRT is finished and his invisible attacks are accepted as layered). She also has no idea about Regulus' kit and so she would have no idea that she has to defend against invisible, dura-neg FTL attacks... or that he could literally just throw her into the moon at FTL speeds.

 

[Mand21]

You may ask the mods, but I'll be surprised if they don't let us equalize the results of power amps. After all, countless characters have entire keys that are essentially amps. Would we forbid anyone from speed equalizing against one of Goku's transformations? Against his Kaioken?

So I defend that Binah should have speed equalized against amped Regulus. If not, this is a spite match and should be taken down. For this to be a valid match at all, it has to not be a stomp match and therefore has to not be a speedblitz.

And no, Regulus won't necessarily lock in just because he sees someone as an enemy who can harm him, given his character. Especially if he doesn't have the prior knowledge to know Binah can harm him, and if he sees her base power level as being a measly multi city block.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

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Speed Equal is kinda weird if you look into it too deeply, but basically how it works now is to prevent odd things like preventing a gun that has Supersonic attack into being reduced to Average Human speed becauses the gun wielder is facing somebody with Average Human speed; Thus, if a gap exist between a character's speed ratings-be it coming from a person's normal speed with a speed amp, a person's basic speed compared to their attack speed with a gun, etc etc-the gap shall stay.

Truthfully, Shad does make stomp matches quite a bit, but that that and this is this.

I mean... Regulus can't sense shit. He's a "normal person" through and through, however:

Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences.

He knows something "dire" will happen if he loses. So he knows there won't be any incentive for him to mess around. Again, he just needs to breath to unleash an invisible, dura-neg FTL attack (that upscales from another FTL character and will become smth that Binah wouldn't even be able to detect once it is is accepted to be layered), or he could tackle her at FTL speeds, or he can throw her to the moon at FTL speeds. Plus, things like smarts, skill and experience means absolutely nothing if a person is hundreds of thousands of times faster than you.

Although, he would probably just tear a limb off from Binah as a first attack, tho, which is probably something she could handle. ... Oh. and uh... There's the fact that Regulus will spawn with his harem and the fact that Binah has the range to see and snip them with her powers (and doesn't have the morals that would prevent her from not killing them) that will 100% disable Regulus' power and turn him into a normal human with 7-A dura-which Binah can 100% bypass with her stuff.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Chiming in to ask whether Ribena's stuff can actually even affect Regulus since this guy has himself stopped in time rather than any other conventional invincibility. Her abilities will cause change to him, which his Lion's Heart is there to prevent that (the Cornyass supporters can correct me on this). I could be wrong but not sure whether even if she can use her hax on him successfully, the things that are supposed to change him just wouldn't work.

How is one stopping a person whose time has stopped to the point that nothing can impede him?

Quick related but unrelated question as well, I remember something about having time manipulation means they may or may not be able to affect Regulus's hax since that's what his abilities are based on so. Say if someone can fast forward time, would that affect Regulus?

 

[ShadeyD]

I think it was stated by the author that Reid's conceptual cutting can just cut Regulus' authority, and Binah has something similar to that

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Or Binah can just mass attack all of Regulus' wives and immedaitely disable most of his abilities, reducing to a normal human with 7-A durability that has 5s of invincibility which also stops his heart as long as it is active.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ugh Regulus' wives again.
Is this in Central Park or in the library? Does he have one wife or all of them with him? Do we assume they're in the same place with him and are just a stone's throw away?

Preistella makes sense, but in situations like this, please for the love of God have something about his wives in the thread itself. We do not want to go 5 pages of arguments on that part of Regulus with just assumptions.

 

[ShadeyD]

Tbh, I didn't actually consider the wives here since I thought Binah's attacks would be enough, without targeting the wives, and I only put them somewhat near if their arsenal isn't enough, so I thought Regulus wouldn't have the wives

But I'll leave an edit put them here anyway

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Are you sure you didn't forget to equalize speed? If Regulus' reflexes at all scale to his speed, he speedblitzes and makes this a stomp match. I'd like to ask for a speed equalization clause on this match, otherwise it is a stomp.

With a speed equalization clause, I'll note that the Arbiter self was specified, meaning this is not the Binah who cannot leave the Library. This is full power Binah.

Either way, Regulus is blitzing with his attack speed

I'd like to argue that Fairy should be able to lock even Regulus' Lion's Heart, as well as open up gaps on his supposedly absolute invulnerability through the ability to open anything.

Okay, but how would she interact with him in the first place

I'd like to argue that Regulus' ability should not be absolute before Binah, thanks to the presence of another very high hax ability.

Non argument+ you didn't specify which hax

Further, I'd like to argue for Genius level intelligence Binah, given that all Arbiters have shown an understanding of philosophical concepts, a sophisticated vocabulary and speech, and a deep understanding of the workings of the City, as well as having planned out its complex dystopian ecosystem. Binah should share that, meaning she's going to be walking loops around Regulus at every moment of the battle with her strategy.

Okay so she is smart....and how is that supposed to stop Regulus from breathing in her direction turning her to misy

I'd also like to argue that Binah's world possesses vastly more knowledge available than Regulus' in many relevant ways: the martial arts of the City have been developed to such a degree that completely unaugmented normal humans can be trained by a Color Fixer for two thousand years inside a W Corp train until they become so skilled that they're able to pose a threat to vastly superhuman individuals through sheer skill, and Binah should outskill even those kinds of individuals thanks to her status as an Arbiter, who are not only rulers but enforcers of the City's laws when push comes to shove. She should be able to fight at a Color+ level, on top of having the highest levels of augmentation available for City denizens.

Good for her, Reinhard and Emilia outskill her to the shadow realm and back

I'd like to argue that with Binah's intellect, she could trap Regulus with his own ability, making him stop the time of an aspect of his body and not be able to unlock himself.

His own ability doesn't work on himself as shown in his fight

If Regulus ever makes himself immovable to avoid being knocked back by an attack, she can use Chain/Key/Pillar to prevent him from changing the aspects in which his body's time is stopped and lock him in place, unable to move.

Again that requires her to be able to interact with him

I'd like to argue that Binah is able to deal BLACK damage, or damage which is simultaneously neurological/mental/physical, causing damage that his time stop alone will not protect him from. I'd argue that even if he proves invulnerable to physical damage (which I have and will continue to argue that Binah can sneak around), Binah can still gradually build up mental damage until he collapses.

Regulus cannot be affected my physical, mental or spiritual attacks

Even though his stamina is infinite, she should be able to fight for an entire week or longer at peak condition, granting her more than enough time to torture Regulus to his breaking point.

Infinite stamina> 1 week

Regulus will fall, in due time.

Nuh uh

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think it was stated by the author that Reid's conceptual cutting can just cut Regulus' authority, and Binah has something similar to that

He said Reid can cut Regulus but he did not specify it to be conceptual cutting, tbh currently it's moreso opinion based than anything because by that logic Volc, Satella, Cecilus, Eugard and a bunch of other characters would one shot him as well (which there has been no evidence of, in fact Tappei recently said that Regulus pretty much one shots everybody)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Tbh, I didn't actually consider the wives here since I thought Binah's attacks would be enough, without targeting the wives, and I only put them somewhat near if their arsenal isn't enough, so I thought Regulus wouldn't have the wives

But I'll leave an edit put them here anyway

50m away...I suppose that would make it impossible to figure out that they are connected to him since there really isn't any connection between them

 

[Shadowslash125]

Quick related but unrelated question as well, I remember something about having time manipulation means they may or may not be able to affect Regulus's hax since that's what his abilities are based on so. Say if someone can fast forward time, would that affect Regulus?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Not sure where you got that info from but the answer is simply not since yin magic has time manipulation as well and that is uninteractable to him too @Shadowslash125

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ah.
FWIW, I saw that in like some Regulus match thread some supporter was talking about it. Must have been a case of the Mandela.

 

[Jerry59]

Not sure if this match is a stomp now, but I’m just gonna go ahead and vote Binah purely because she calls me child and let me lay on her thigh in my wet dreams.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Not sure if this match is a stomp now, but I’m just gonna go ahead and vote Binah purely because she calls me child and let me lay on her thigh in my wet dreams.

What

 

[Arkansalter2]

Not sure if this match is a stomp now, but I’m just gonna go ahead and vote Binah purely because she calls me child and let me lay on her thigh in my wet dreams.

 

[ShadeyD]

Not sure if this match is a stomp now, but I’m just gonna go ahead and vote Binah purely because she calls me child and let me lay on her thigh in my wet dreams.

Zena's better tbh

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Emilia's lap pillows are simply superior

 

[Fezzih_007]

Not sure where you got that info from but the answer is simply not since yin magic has time manipulation as well and that is uninteractable to him too @Shadowslash125

I mean, the only time hax that Yin as shown to do is Minya which stop time the target body when It hits.
Which I don't need to explain why that would't work on Regulus, right?

The question If someone that can fast foward time and try to use that on Regulus, and If that would work. But this is unknow. No one ever try to do that in the series.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I mean, the only time hax that Yin as shown to do is Minya which stop time the target body when It hits.
Which I don't need to explain why that would't work on Regulus, right?

The question If someone that can fast foward time and try to use that on Regulus, and If that would work. But this is unknow. No one ever try to do that in the series.

Satella's time manipulation is likely yin magic too, and Beatrice can also age people up faster (which is essentially fast forwarding the time)

Additionally, Regulus is disconnected from the flow of space-time, rendering any form of time-based manipulation ineffective against him.

In general, Regulus can be considered immune to time manipulation.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

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Well, direct time manipulation. If you speed up time and that ages Regulus' wives to dust, then, he's screwed... Isn't there a Jojo character that can do that? Future match-up, perhaps?

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Anyways, back to the match-up.

Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers with other Abnormality abilities, summoning, and Singularities (Capable of attacking Employees across the entire L. Corp. facility with certain abilities)

Hundreds of Kilometers visual range with Big Bird's eyes

Enhanced Senses (Capable of detecting entities employees cannot, such as the Dimensional Refraction Variant, sensory augmentation is a very common procedure and Arbiters are top of the line, capable of launching attacks on foes from across the L Corp. facility)

Binah does have the ability to snip Regulus' wives and likely the ability to "sense" all of them. She doesn't have any morals to prevent her from not killing them on sight and she will "see" that their outfit is extremely similiar to Regulus (and that all of them are the same as each other), so she'll likely think them as his followers, so to speak, so she will have even more incentive to kill 'em on-sight.

 

[Arkansalter2]

The f*** wives bro.
We still don't know how they would work in vs matches.
Someone make a CRT ffs.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Regulus is currently in CRT hell due to trouble in getting acausality in his profile, IIRC. So that has to wait for awhile, methinks.

And honestly, the wives are Regulus' entire gimmick, take them away and he just gets stomped. Like even in the Pride IF route, Subaru mangaed to somehow kill Regulus on his first try by just burning all of his wives to death. Although, it doesn't help Re:Zero MFs are the most skilled sons of bs in the site and that makes making match-up for them hell, which weirdly makes Regulus among the most straight-forward peps to fight in the verse.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Regulus is currently in CRT hell due to trouble in getting acausality in his profile, IIRC. So that has to wait for awhile, methinks.

And honestly, the wives are Regulus' entire gimmick, take them away and he just gets stomped. Like even in the Pride IF route, Subaru mangaed to somehow kill Regulus on his first try by just burning all of his wives to death. Although, it doesn't help Re:Zero MFs are the most skilled sons of bs in the site and that makes making match-up for them hell, which weirdly makes Regulus among the most straight-forward peps to fight in the verse.

Actually Elsa is a straight counter to Regulus, she would murder everybody in his mansion and normal attacks from Regulus wouldnt insta kill her
Plop her down in his domain and its ggs fr

Plus it probably helped that Regulus wasnt around to stop her

 

[Fezzih_007]

Beatrice can also age people up faster (which is essentially fast forwarding the time)

I consider that, but the problem she never used that in a combat situation, much less against Regulus to see how the interaction of the abilities would work.
(Tappei probally forgot about It, considering Subaru situation in arc 8)
So I kinda ignore It.

 

[Mand21]

Speed Equal is kinda weird if you look into it too deeply, but basically how it works now is to prevent odd things like preventing a gun that has Supersonic attack into being reduced to Average Human speed becauses the gun wielder is facing somebody with Average Human speed; Thus, if a gap exist between a character's speed ratings-be it coming from a person's normal speed with a speed amp, a person's basic speed compared to their attack speed with a gun, etc etc-the gap shall stay.

Truthfully, Shad does make stomp matches quite a bit, but that that and this is this.

I mean... Regulus can't sense shit. He's a "normal person" through and through, however:

He knows something "dire" will happen if he loses. So he knows there won't be any incentive for him to mess around. Again, he just needs to breath to unleash an invisible, dura-neg FTL attack (that upscales from another FTL character and will become smth that Binah wouldn't even be able to detect once it is is accepted to be layered), or he could tackle her at FTL speeds, or he can throw her to the moon at FTL speeds. Plus, things like smarts, skill and experience means absolutely nothing if a person is hundreds of thousands of times faster than you.

Although, he would probably just tear a limb off from Binah as a first attack, tho, which is probably something she could handle. ... Oh. and uh... There's the fact that Regulus will spawn with his harem and the fact that Binah has the range to see and snip them with her powers (and doesn't have the morals that would prevent her from not killing them) that will 100% disable Regulus' power and turn him into a normal human with 7-A dura-which Binah can 100% bypass with her stuff.

I'm gonna make myself clear again: either allow for Binah to be speed equalized against the actual combat speed that Regulus uses in actual ******* combat, or delete this thread. I really do not think Regulus' own body speed buff is in any way comparable to a ******* gun.

Also, something dire will happen if he loses. Given Regulus' low intelligence, will he actually conceive the possibility of losing before being hit with a Fairy to the face and suffering damage despite his invulnerability? Before being hit with BLACK damage? I really don't think so.

And yeah, your evaluation of how Binah can murder the whole harem is also correct.

 

[Mand21]

Either way, Regulus is blitzing with his attack speed

Okay, but how would she interact with him in the first place

Non argument+ you didn't specify which hax

Okay so she is smart....and how is that supposed to stop Regulus from breathing in her direction turning her to misy

Good for her, Reinhard and Emilia outskill her to the shadow realm and back

His own ability doesn't work on himself as shown in his fight

Again that requires her to be able to interact with him

Regulus cannot be affected my physical, mental or spiritual attacks

Infinite stamina> 1 week

Nuh uh

I am equalizing Regulus' attack speed.

She can interact with him through conceptual attacks and BLACK damage.

I literally specified all of her hax abilities, the **** you mean?

She is smart enough to dodge around him, to disappear from his view and place traps for him, to completely mess him up and manipulate him midfight.

I highly doubt that Reinhard outskills her. Did Reinhard train for 2000 years with actual demigods? Because Binah outskills that.

His ability has to work on himself as that is literally the nature of his invincibility: the ability to apply it to himself so he cannot be altered.

She can interact with him via her haxes: Fairy, Pillar, BLACK damage etc.

Regulus is merely resistant to mental attacks. BLACK damage will get to him. Further, BLACK damage bypasses resistance to WHITE damage (mental attacks) and RED damage (physical attacks). Meaning mental attacks alone are irrelevant. Spiritual attacks would be PALE damage, which resistance to is also ignored by BLACK damage.

Infinite stamina only in terms of tiredness. Binah doesn't need more than one week to torture him until he dies.

Nuh uh my ass.

 

[StormAcci]

I'm gonna make myself clear again: either allow for Binah to be speed equalized against the actual combat speed that Regulus uses in actual ******* combat, or delete this thread. I really do not think Regulus' own body speed buff is in any way comparable to a ******* gun.

Regulus' combat speed is Average Human level though. His "amp" is just his attack speed, which is FTL. Basically, anything imbued with his authority will move at FTL speed. If he imbues dirt with his ability and throws it, the dirt will move at FTL speed.

Regulus does not have the actual speed necessary to react to FTL movement.

 

[Mand21]

Regulus' combat speed is Average Human level though. His "amp" is just his attack speed, which is FTL. Basically, anything imbued with his authority will move at FTL speed. If he imbues dirt with his ability and throws it, the dirt will move at FTL speed.

Regulus does not have the actual speed necessary to react to FTL movement.

Is he unable to move at FTL himself, then? As in, his body cannot move at that speed and he cannot react at that speed? Meaning that without speed equalization, he'll never be able to take aim at Binah and land a single move on her since all he has is a "gun" that shoots FTL bullets?