SHION vs YHWACH REMATCH

[EldemadeDityjon]

'Physiology
War Spirit Oni: As a war spirit oni, Shion is spiritual lifeform that specializes in physical combat. She has no physical body, has eternal youth and will regenerate as long as her core inside his soul isn't completely destroyed.'

is there, about souls being type 2 information in verse, you can see it here

Anyway, I really think it's better to close this, as I said before, the profile is out of date

By your logic

Everything in bleach is made up out of a soul, be it a material, or immaterial object, so i don't think their souls being made up of "information" matters

You should consider this

 

[Peak]

BUT CAN NOT YHWACH AFFECT CONCEPTS WITH THE ALMIGHTY? SHOULD NOT THAT BE ENOUGH TO INTERACT WITH SHION'S SOUL?

No, it's not enough, as I said before, concept≠information type 2, the character must be able to affect with type 2 information to attack Shion's soul

 

[Purgy]

'Physiology
War Spirit Oni: As a war spirit oni, Shion is spiritual lifeform that specializes in physical combat. She has no physical body, has eternal youth and will regenerate as long as her core inside his soul isn't completely destroyed.'

is there, about souls being type 2 information in verse, you can see it here

Anyway, I really think it's better to close this, as I said before, the profile is out of date

Not on profile though¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[The_Pink_God]

IF THAT IS SO THEN THIS SHOULD BE A INCONCLUSIVE MATCH AS BOTH PARTIES CAN NOT INTERACT WITH THE OPPOSITION, RIGHT?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Pink are you okay

 

[Peak]

Shion profile don't have information type 2

Because she doesn't need to manipulate for her soul to be composed of information, it's simple, as I said, Tensura has already been accepted as having type 2 information as a fundamental aspect and the soul is a type 2 piece of information

By your logic

You should consider this

It's not my logic and there's nothing to consider there because there's nothing in bleach saying that souls are composed of type 2 information

 

[Peak]

Not on profile though¯\(ツ)/¯

It's in the profile, you're probably looking at Shion LN's profile, look in Shion WN's profile, is the first thing that appears in notable attacks and techniques.

 

[The_Pink_God]

I THINK I AM GOING TO BE VOTING FOR AN INCONCLUSIVE, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I COULD SEE NONE OF THE COMBATANTS CAN INTERACT WITH THEMSELVES

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Because she doesn't need to manipulate for her soul to be composed of information, it's simple, as I said, Tensura has already been accepted as having type 2 information as a fundamental aspect and the soul is a type 2 piece of information

It's not my logic and there's nothing to consider there because there's nothing in bleach saying that souls are composed of type 2 information

Bro read what he wrote. Also by going by current profile Yhwach takes this

 

[Peak]

IF THAT IS SO THEN THIS SHOULD BE A INCONCLUSIVE MATCH AS BOTH PARTIES CAN NOT INTERACT WITH THE OPPOSITION, RIGHT?

yes you are correct

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No, it's not enough, as I said before, concept≠information type 2, the character must be able to affect with type 2 information to attack Shion's soul

Names are literally information . which Ichibe was manipulating. Almighty has feats for affecting that. CM type 2> information type 2 in bleach.

 

[Purgy]

It's in the profile, you're probably looking at Shion LN's profile, look in Shion WN's profile, is the first thing that appears in notable attacks and techniques.

Where on WN Shion's profile is it? Quote it

 

[The_Pink_God]

yes you are correct

OK THEN MY FELLOW BRAZILIAN(?)

 

[Peak]

Bro read what he wrote. Also by going by current profile Yhwach takes this

I read it and didn't see anything involving type 2 information as a fundamental aspect of bleach, if you're that convincing of it then do a CRT, and Yhwatch takes that if you show how it's going to interact with Shion's soul (he can't)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I read it and didn't see anything involving type 2 information as a fundamental aspect of bleach, if you're that convincing of it then do a CRT, and Yhwatch takes that if you show how it's going to interact with Shion's soul (he can't)

Names are literally information . which Ichibe was manipulating. Almighty has feats for affecting that. CM type 2> information type 2 in bleach.

^^^

 

[Peak]

Where on WN Shion's profile is it? Quote it

Here, go on your remarkable techniques and the physiology will be there.

 

[Purgy]

Here, go on your remarkable techniques and the physiology will be there.

This?

War Spirit Oni: As a war spirit oni, Shion is spiritual lifeform that specializes in physical combat. She has no physical body, has eternal youth and will regenerate as long as her core inside his soul isn't completely destroyed.

That says absolutely nothing about information type 2 and is just regeneration

 

[The_Pink_God]

I ALREADY PUT MY VOTE ON INCONCLUSIVE

 

[Peak]

Names are literally information . which Ichibe was manipulating. Almighty has feats for affecting that. CM type 2> information type 2 in bleach.

If you are so convinced then do a CRT updating Yhwatch for type 2 information handling, if not accepted then not valid and Shion still can't have her soul affected

 

[Peak]

This?

That says absolutely nothing about information type 2 and is just regeneration

I'm sure I already said that type 2 information has already been accepted as a fundamental aspect of Tensura, there is a CRT for that and you can look it up if you want, that just explains your physiology, she doesn't handle type 2 information (it was meant to affect, but as i said, it's outdated), she simply has a soul with type 2 information for being from the Tensura verse, simple

 

[Peak]

And sending it again, here are the scans used by the wiki to prove that type 2 information is the fundamental aspect, and that includes the soul

 

[The_Pink_God]

WHY DO I FEEL THIS THREAD WILL BE 7 PAGES LONG

 

[Peak]

WHY DO I FEEL THIS THREAD WILL BE 7 PAGES LONG

It's something simple to understand, I'm not saying Shion wins or anything like that because again saying she doesn't affect NEP 1 but she can't have her soul affected by those who do not have type 2 information manipulation in their profile

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If you are so convinced then do a CRT updating Yhwatch for type 2 information handling, if not accepted then not valid and Shion still can't have her soul affected

Same can be said to Shion feel free to update her WN profile. Also no need to update Yhwach profile where CM can be treated as above information if the statement and feats backs him up. Names are abstract and it builds up fundamental existence of one's in bleach. Ichibe was able to remove and rewrite a new name. No need to be stated as that is both information and Conceptual manipulation as many treats CM above information

 

[The_Pink_God]

WELL, IT SEEMS YHWACH DOES HAVE INFORMATION MANIPULATION, BUT IT HAS NO TYPING AND NO EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER

 

[Peak]

Same can be said to Shion feel free to update her WN profile.

Upgrade to what exactly? Type 2 information as a fundamental aspect of Tensura has already been accepted, you don't need to manipulate type 2 information to have the soul as type 2 information

Also no need to update Yhwach profile where CM can be treated as above information if the statement and feats backs him up. Names are abstract and it builds up fundamental existence of one's in bleach. Ichibe was able to remove and rewrite a new name. No need to be stated as that is both information and Conceptual manipulation as many treats CM above information

Being an abstraction or concept doesn't make you affect type 2 information, and if you see type 2 information then again, do a CRT putting information in bleach as a fundamental aspect of the whole existence

 

[Peak]

WELL, IT SEEMS YHWACH DOES HAVE INFORMATION MANIPULATION, BUT IT HAS NO TYPING AND NO EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER

Yes, I'm not saying if they have it or not, but if it's going to be used here, it should be accepted in a CRT first and so used here

 

[The_Pink_God]

I AM CONVINCED YHWACH CAN NOT INTERACT WITH SHION
AGAIN, FOR THE THIRD TIME, VOTING FOR AN INCONCLUSIVE MATCH

 

[Peak]

incon too and for the 4th or 5th time, this should be closed and should not be applied because Shion's profile is absurdly outdated, I'm going to ask for help from some verse supporters to update at least Shion's profile, if you can wait until then it's ok, although I only see one incon in this game even after updates and Yhwatch win if he receives type 2 information manipulation

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Upgrade to what exactly? Type 2 information as a fundamental aspect of Tensura has already been accepted, you don't need to manipulate type 2 information to have the soul as type 2 information

Being an abstraction or concept doesn't make you affect type 2 information, and if you see type 2 information then again, do a CRT putting information in bleach as a fundamental aspect of the whole existence

Ichibei was literally rewriting names along with yhwach existence & other things in existence. My stand point won't change. CM > Information if it shown and no need to upgrade anything. In Bleach it has been shown Clearly. Not to mention same burden applies to you who is claiming her soul has information type 2 even though profile don't have it. Feel free to upgrade the profile then talk i will do the same. Otherwise we will go with current profile and Yhwach takes the Win here.

 

[Peak]

Ichibei was literally rewriting names along with yhwach existence & other things in existence. My stand point won't change.

rewrite existence does not give type 2 information manipulation

CM > Information if it shown and no need to upgrade anything

I want you to show type 2 information in bleach and the concepts being treated as above, because nowhere in bleach does it say that information is the fundamental aspect

Not to mention same burden applies to you who is claiming her soul has information type 2 even though profile don't have it. Feel free to upgrade the profile then talk i will do the same. Otherwise we will go wit

I hope you've read me saying about 4 or 5 times that this should be closed exactly because Shion's profile is out of date

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

rewrite existence does not give type 2 information manipulation

I want you to show type 2 information in bleach and the concepts being treated as above, because nowhere in bleach does it say that information is the fundamental aspect

You didn't understand what i wrote. Names are fundamental aspects of one's existence. A sword is a sword because it has its name in bleach. Ichibei removes that it looses all characters of its existence. I think you are confused about information type 2 explanation.

I hope you've read me saying about 4 or 5 times that this should be closed exactly because Shion's profile is out of date

I guess this can be closed then. Ask some staff

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah to add to what @EldemadeDityjon stated

Names are by themselves fundamental information to characters in Bleach, changing this changes them and what they are. Yhwach can resist such hax through the almighty so interacting via the almighty with info 2 is definitely in Yhwach’s capabilities

 

[Peak]

You didn't understand what i wrote. Names are fundamental aspects of one's existence. A sword is a sword because it has its name in bleach. Ichibei removes that it looses all characters of its existence. I think you are confused about information type 2 explaination.

I understand what you mean and what I am trying to tell you is that the fundamental aspect of bleach is not information, I'm not denying that it has a fundamental aspect, but as long as Yhwatch can't affect type 2 information (slime's fundamental aspect) Shion can't be killed, because she can exist as a soul which is composed of type 2 information, this is how type 2 information manipulation works

Fundamental: These characters can manipulate information, which serves as fundamental building block of reality. This can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality. These manipulation can come on many levels. For some it might just be the mechanism behind mundane magical abilities, while others can rewrite information to change reality, causality or the laws of nature.

I guess this can be closed then. Ask some staff

And yes this thread is useless anyway so this really should be closed

 

[Peak]

Yeah to add to what @EldemadeDityjon stated

Names are by themselves fundamental information to characters in Bleach, changing this changes them and what they are. Yhwach can resist such hax through the almighty so interacting via the almighty with info 2 is definitely in Yhwach’s capabilities

well update Yhwatch for that and I will accept, arguing about whether or not the almighty can affect type 2 information here is pointless as this is not a CRT, and before I say it again, yes, Shion's profile will be updated in the future too and so this vs should be closed

 

[Arkenis]

well update Yhwatch for that and I will accept, arguing about whether or not the almighty can affect type 2 information here is pointless as this is not a CRT, and before I say it again, yes, Shion's profile will be updated in the future too and so this vs should be closed

You do not understand concept manipulation and info type 2 at all.

 

[Peak]

You do not understand concept manipulation and info type 2 at all.

yes yes, think what you want

 

[Arkenis]

yes yes, think what you want

Can i see the stuff for info type 2 for souls

 

[Peak]

Can i see the stuff for info type 2 for souls

make a CRT proving that bleach's souls are composed of type 2 information and I'll wish you good luck, are you satisfied with it?

 

[Arkenis]

make a CRT proving that bleach's souls are composed of type 2 information and I'll wish you good luck, are you satisfied with it?

I just wanna see the evidence for souls in Slime having info 2,