TF2 Upgrade Thread... again

[LandonTheGuy]

Good evening gentlemenn, today i would like to discuss about the hit game TEAM FORSTRSS 2 and some upgrades that i would have liked to implement.

Additions
Attack potency
-The mercs destroy the bomb carrier - 1.02 Tons of tnt (Building level+) (EVALUATED)
-The bread monster causes Red base to shake - 2,82 tons of tnt (Large building level) (EVALUATED)
-Payload explosion - 54.7 Tons of tnt (city block+) (EVALUATED)

Speed
-Spy commits murder - 15.41802570892308 m/s (Superhuman) (EVALUATED)
-Spy saves miss pauling from getting ran over by a plane - 17,85 m/s (Superhuman) (EVALUATED)
-Direct hit speed - mach 3,85 (Supersonic+) (EVALUATED)
-Bonk scout dodges the pomson - 7,16 cc (FTL) (EVALUATED)

Lifting strenght
-Soldier snaps a bear's neck - 0.8 metric tons (class 1) (EVALUATED)




Scaling

The Grawel war mercs will have High 8-C (2,82 tons of tnt) ap/dura with supersonic reaction speed .

The Robot war mercs will have at least High 8-C, High 8-C with upgrades (5,64 tons of tnt) ap/dura (stronger than before), at best 8-B+ ap/dura (can harm Hale in vsh), with at least supersonic+ reaction speed

The ftl calc only scales to scout with bonk.

There are some exeptions for the travel speed part, such as demo, Soldier and scout should get subsonic travel speed due of these feats they are capable of:
-Demo leaving after-images by using his shield
-Scout can create after-images pretty casually
-Soldier by rocket jumping can outran his team (whitch includes scout)
-Boesses like Saxton hale or the HHH should also be subsonic by scaling simmilar or upscaling scout running speed
-Saxton hale should gets Transonic travel speed via sweeping Charge as he can create a vapor cone with it (timestamp 5:40)

Lifting strenght
The first calc it's a baseline for everyone in the verse.

Other propositions

-Splitting Saxton hale in 2 keys "Prime/1970s" as it's stated by Meggie herself that saxton was out of shape at the time compared to his younger self
-The mercs scale at best to Saxton hale feats due of the fact that they can kill him in vsh
-Saxton hale will get Moon level enviormental destruction with optional equipment
-MVM upgrades can be stacked to stats (+30% travel speed , +100% attack potency/dura , +40% mele/weapon firing speed attack speed(i guess that stacks to their reaction speed too))
-Miss Pauling, Zathana will only relative to the gravel war mercs
-The Civilian will scale to the 1930s key of the tfc mercs
-Engeneer get's relativistic+ attack speed via the pomson
-Saxton hale minor ability addition:

• Statistic amplification via sweeping charge (timestamp 6:15)
• Enhanced senses (can smell hippies from far away)
• Longevity (implied to be alive to this day)
• Mid-Low regeneration possibly Low-Mid regeneration

1. A cut dissappears from saxton's body the next page
2. Tfc heavy regenerates varius injuries (a broken nose, a scar on his face his snapped spine and possibly and internal organ damage)
3. The administrator breaks hes hand and moments later it's healed

Hale scales to the administrator and tfc heavy regeneration because they both use Australium whitch it's repetitly stated to give Australians their abilities (proof 1 , proof 2 , proof 3), so i don't see why saxton shouldn't get it too (this also scales to tfc heavy)

Not all of the calcs have been evaluated yet, but in the mean time if someone has something to say, this would be a fitting time.

 

[Pyro9278]

I think it's fine, the only thing I would change is that Scout doesn't scale to Class 25. The fact that it's lower doesn't negate the fact that it's relative, so you could say that it "reduces" its value in LS.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Young TFC mercs should scale to the speed.

Also, there should be discussion of whether or not Miss Pauling should get a key split or not.

Also, also, Civillian should be updated. I didn't do it previously because I was unsure if everyone would be fine with Civillian downscaling a higher AP value than the Gravel War mercs.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I think it's fine, the only thing I would change is that Scout doesn't scale to Class 25. The fact that it's lower doesn't negate the fact that it's relative, so you could say that it "reduces" its value in LS.

by that pharagraph i meant that scout doesn't fully scale to that value.

So yeah he will have class 25/50 if the calc passes.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Young TFC mercs should scale to the speed.

i really don't see why they should considering they can only react to normal rockets in tfc

Also, there should be discussion of whether or not Miss Pauling should get a key split or not.

provably not, we did that with the mercs cuz saxton states that robots are stronger than the gravel war mercs.

so on my opinion that should be fine

Also, also, Civillian should be updated. I didn't do it previously because I was unsure if everyone would be fine with Civillian downscaling a higher AP value than the Gravel War mercs.

also that it's fine

 

[Rex_Eckles]

i really don't see why they should considering they can only react to normal rockets in tfc

Old TFC Heavy could blitz Medic even while injured.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Old TFC Heavy could blitz Medic even while injured.

idk, Medic really looked like he was extreamly dumfumbled by the fact that he survived so maybe he was taken off guard or smthing like that.

How about we put "possibly supersonic+" to only the yong mercs and old tfc heavy?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

idk, Medic really looked like he was extreamly dumfumbled by the fact that he survived so maybe he was taken off guard or smthing like that.

How about we put "possibly supersonic+" to only the yong mercs and old tfc heavy?

Fine by me.

Is there a way to scale the other merc teams, like Team Ajax, to the direct hit speeds, did the upgrades come before the Robot War? If so, then the TFC guys will just get straight-up supersonic+.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Is there a way to scale the other merc teams, like Team Ajax, to the direct hit speeds, did the upgrades come before the Robot War? If so, then the TFC guys will just get straight-up supersonic+.

alright then, supersonic+ TFC is on the table

 

[Rex_Eckles]

alright then, supersonic+ TFC is on the table

Yay!

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Yay!

HOW DARE YOU BEING HAPPY IN MY PRESENCE?!

*proseeds to transform this ctr upgrade to a 9-B downgrade

anything else i'm forgetting anyway?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

HOW DARE YOU BEING HAPPY IN MY PRESENCE?!

*proseeds to transform this ctr upgrade to a 9-B downgrade

anything else i'm forgetting anyway?

So, we're not splitting Pauling into two keys?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

So, we're not splitting Pauling into two keys?

i don't see why we should do it anyway

provably not, we did that with the mercs cuz saxton states that robots are stronger than the gravel war mercs.

because of this.


I would have actually liked to put her at 9-A considering her best scaling is taking a punch from zathana (who never had any relativity to the mercs in terms of physical as far as i'm aware) and frag robots with her gun, whitch would put her than again to 9-A.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

i don't see why we should do it anyway

because of this.


I would have actually liked to put her at 9-A considering her best scaling is taking a punch from zathana (who never had any relativity to the mercs in terms of physical as far as i'm aware) and frag robots with her gun.

I'm pretty sure she showed relativity to them in Expiration Date, but I may be wrong.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I'm pretty sure she showed relativity to them in Expiration Date, but I may be wrong.

just watched it, nothing worth nothing

 

[Rex_Eckles]

just watched it, nothing worth nothing

Aside from speed, I suppose. There is an implication that she could kill Scout, but otherwise, I don't know.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Aside from speed, I suppose. There is an implication that she could kill Scout, but otherwise, I don't know.

maybe a possibly 8-C? we don't really know how she was going to do the nefarius act anyway

 

[Rex_Eckles]

maybe a possibly 8-C? we don't really know how she was going to do the nefarius act anyway

Will she be scaling off Gravel War or Robot War mercs? Personally, I'm fine with Robot War mercs, given how she could survive a punch from Zhanna, who wasn't concerned if she killed Pauling or not.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Will she be scaling off Gravel War or Robot War mercs? Personally, I'm fine with Robot War mercs, given how she could survive a punch from Zhanna, who wasn't concerned if she killed Pauling or not.

i'm leaning more towards Gravel war as i don't see much relativity between Zathana and the mercs in terms of ap

 

[Rex_Eckles]

i'm leaning more towards Gravel war as i don't see much relativity between Zathana and the mercs in terms of ap

She could destroy robots, which upscale Gravel War mercs at least, so there's that.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

She could destroy robots, which upscale Gravel War mercs at least, so there's that.

well, then it's 8-C for her

 

[Rex_Eckles]

well, then it's 8-C for her

Be sure to add the standard tank destruction calc to the OP.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Be sure to add the standard tank destruction calc to the OP.

should this work?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

should this work?

Yes.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Yes.

yeah that's pretty much what you asked, why did i ask?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Bump.

nah don't worry, we ain't got even all the calcs out yet

 

[Rex_Eckles]

nah don't worry, we ain't got even all the calcs out yet

Alright, but all the speed ones are ready.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Alright, but all the speed ones are ready.

yeah

 

[LandonTheGuy]

bump (changed some things and added some calcs to the list)

 

[Rex_Eckles]

bump (changed some things and added some calcs to the list)

I recommend against the Ayer’s Rock calc, they make unwarranted assumptions about the model’s hollowness and treat Scout’s light tap as the speed of a punch for no reason.

TL;DR the values are inflated.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I recommend against the Ayer’s Rock calc, they make unwarranted assumptions about the model’s hollowness and treat Scout’s light tap as the speed of a punch for no reason.

TL;DR the values are inflated.

alright sure

 

[LandonTheGuy]

there's also the other small proposiotions like that the mercs at best are somewhat comparable of saxton hale to they should at best scale to his feats.

also removed the tank busting statement as the mercs do scale to the bread monster feat

 

[Rex_Eckles]

there's also the other small proposiotions like that the mercs at best are somewhat comparable of saxton hale to they should at best scale to his feats.

also removed the tank busting statement as the mercs do scale to the bread monster feat

Makes sense to me.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

bump (added a class G end for the saxton hale trow feat)

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Makes sense to me, though I don't think the Sub-Relativistic stuff scales to Hale's reaction speed, unless someone reacts to the baseball flying or something.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Makes sense to me, though I don't think the Sub-Relativistic stuff scales to Hale's reaction speed, unless someone reacts to the baseball flying or something.

Saxton should scale considering he can keep up with people who can fight him

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Saxton should scale considering he can keep up with people who can fight him

Just because you hit a baseball at a speed doesn't mean you have to be swinging the baseball bat at those same speeds because the bat has more mass than the ball. This would only scale to Saxton's attack speed with thrown-projectiles.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Just because you hit a baseball at a speed doesn't mean you have to be swinging the baseball bat at those same speeds because the bat has more mass than the ball. This would only scale to Saxton's attack speed with thrown-projectiles.

Normally i would agree with you, but the feat is as such high degree that it wouldn't really matter.

The calc i've taken inspiration from (mark and nolan play baseball) take into account in the ls part that omniman is capable of trowing at those speed the ball (whitch i did too)

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Normally i would agree with you, but the feat is as such high degree that it wouldn't really matter.

The calc i've taken inspiration from (mark and nolan play baseball) take into account in the ls part that omniman is capable of trowing at those speed the ball (whitch i did too)

Does anyone react to or catch the ball?