Tier 7 and relativistic team Fortress 2 general discussion

[LandonTheGuy]

Good evening gentlemenn, today i would have liked to discuss about some stuff regarding the upcoming tf2 ctr that i would do in a not so determinated future, BUT HERE'S SOME CALCS

ATTACK POTENCY/DURABILITY

Heavy stops a train (conservative end) - 6.46 tons of tnt (Large building level) (EVALUATED)

Heavy still withstood the rest of the train running him over him afterwards and it was able to put it into an alt the first wagons and derail the rest of the train at the point that there were wagons flying.

Vaporization of a kaiju - 14.55 Tons of tnt (City Block level) (EVALUATED)

Cow mangler inverse square law - 65.27 tons of tnt to 109,2 tons of tnt (city block level+ up to Multi city clock level) (EVALUATED)

Scout moves the fake Ayer's Rock (conservative end) - 389 Tons of tnt (Multi city clock level) (EVALUATED)

Cow mangler charged shot - 436,8 tons of tnt to 1,31 kilotons (Multi city blocks up to Small Town level) (EVALUATED)

Saxton causes an eruption as the new CEO of hell - 5.22034 Kilotons (Small Town level+) (EVALUATED)

This one scales because Hale as he says that he "beat the hell out of the devil", same devil who has shown to have enviormental manipulation over hell.
Hale gained other abilities like fire manipulation, possible immortality (as he calls the mercs mortals in the voiceline) and teleportation.
Hale is also known for his love for explosions or explosive entraces.

So on my opinion, Hale after willingly teleporting to the mercs (as the voicelines suggest) he decided to cause an explosion (after even making a count down for it as the vulcano starts to have instability only when Hale starts to count down) for a more epic entrace.

Subatomic disintegration (lesser volumes) - 162.6 Kilotons to 99.33 megatons (Large town level up to City Level+) (EVALUATED)

Subatomic disintegration (bigger volumes) - 178.43 Kilotons to 163.5128327 megatons (Large town level up to Mountain level) (EVALUATED)


SPEED

Scout dodging the Pomson - 0.15 cc (Sub-Relativistic)


Ball o' lightning - Mach 1282.798834 (Massively Hypersonic+) (NOT CALC)

One of merasmus spells (he doens't uses it but he posesses directly the spell itself) that the mercs use is the Boll o' lightning, this spell consiststs on shooting an electric like projectile that sucks on the mercs in.

Now there are several factors that suggests that this is real lightinig:

• The spell itself is referred already as Ball o' lightning, and the mercs also say while performing said spell "imputum fulmenus" whitch gets translated from latin as "lightning bolt".
• The Lighting attack posesses an electromagnetic field.
• Merasmus himself has shown the capability to generate natural lightning as we can see in hussle castle or the fact that he has a spell that controls electricity in the first place via spells (AKA Boll o' lightning).
• Merasmus has also shown to be capable of creating what effects that resemble lighting bolts, (Merasmus after being angered creates a lighting like effect in the background , His staff creates a lightning like effect after being broken in half , His magic can create a lighting like effect in Gorge when a point is captured).
• It's also shown that the mercs do contract their muscles when they are shocked by it (For example medic heving his legs moving his legs when shocked)
• Isn't really a specified requierment but the attack is shown to be heat based as it's shown as medic has more resistence and can survive it longer with the vaccinator with the heat resistence on (always the same clip as before).

LIFTING STRENGHT

Soldier jumps with a shit ton of ghear on him - 1.67 up to 3.35 Metric Tons (Class 5)

Scout ripping spy arm off - 11.72673645 Metric Tons (Class 25) (NOT CALC) Perhaps in the future when there's a more clear value

Soldier steals someone spine - 101.971621 Metric Tons (Class K) (NOT CALC)

Heavy stops a train - 30475.442684 Metric tons (Class M) (EVALUATED)

Scout moves the fake Ayer's Rock - 356080465.59 Metric tons (Class T) (I guess we ain't usin this one)


REVISIONS
Scout dodges bullets - Mach 15.76 (Hypersonic+)

Correcting the timeframe from 60s to 40s on The Bread monster shakes the RED's base calc



SUFF THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED

TF2 COSMOLOGY
The tf2 universe should fall into the Low-Multiversal ranges for it's cosmology as Engeneer himself implies that there are multiple other universes (aka dr.grordborts), with other dimension such as Hell, Heaven, the Underworld and the dimensions we see tru Hell train.

THE MERCS SCALE TO THE VAPORIZATION WEAPONS
In the Dr.Grordbort comics the weapons in questions have been shown to be oneshotting anything that they come in contact instantly, the ercs have shown to be capable to survive prolongated exposure to these weapons and survive.




IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING OR DISCUSS ABOUT SOME CALCS IT'S FINE AS THERE'S ISN'T MUCH TO DISCUSS... IDK I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY FAVORITE GAME BRA


Also where would ya'll put the back regenerating feat of tfc heavy? they asked me to i guess the current regen value is fine







they called him mad man....

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

This...this is beautiful.

It could make a grown man cry, and that's ok.

Honestly, I see no real problems here, TF2 has never been a very grounded verse, they have the ability to tank subatomic vaporizing weapons, Scout casually being stronger than pre nerf homelander, Scout being the "weakest" and still being able to solo a heavy, everything with soldier, the end of the line feat has to be cannon, and the high hypersonic C/R the mercs will get off of the Mangler are honestly lower than some of the things you could give them.

At the end of the day, this is exactly what I expected from this verse, well done Landon, you're doing god's work. (literally, TF2 God loves scout, if he saw us downplaying his boi we would actually get another meteor)

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Brother you need to get shit approved before doing a CRT. Just wanted to say that before actually looking at anything

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Scout Moves Ayer's Rock: Use a Cone Frustrum Volume Instead
Getting LS from a punch is no bueno.
Mid-Low Regen for TFC Heavy

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Brother you need to get shit approved before doing a CRT. Just wanted to say that before actually looking at anything

Oh, I just assumed he did, yea, CRT all of this first Landon

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Brother you need to get shit approved before doing a CRT. Just wanted to say that before actually looking at anything

Oh, I just assumed he did, yea, CRT all of this first Landon

bthe calcs that evaluated have literally EVALUATED near them (altho i usually put what i got when i start writing ctrs).

i mostly did this to get some discussion out of it or smt.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

brokies, the calcs that are evaluated are evaluated have literally EVALUATED near them (altho i usually put what i got when i start writing ctrs).

i mostly did this to get some discussion out of it or smt.

So they are good then? Put this in a CRT and see what happens, that'll bring some real attention

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

bthe calcs that evaluated have literally EVALUATED near them (altho i usually put what i got when i start writing ctrs).

i mostly did this to get some discussion out of it or smt.

Yeah, I see that, I was talking about the ones that aren't in my og post - should have been more specific.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Saxton causes an eruption as the new CEO of hell - 5.22034 Kilotons (Small Town level+) (EVALUATED)

The only non-accepted part would be what Hale scales to, just to be clear.

Scout ripping spy arm off - 11.72673645 Metric Tons (Class 25) (NOT CALC)

Soldier steals someone spine - 101.971621 Metric Tons (Class K) (NOT CALC)

We technically don't know if they actually ripped those body parts off (and I'm pretty sure arm-ripping was recalced to Class 5), so it would be at most a "possibly".

Other than that, I think I'm behind the rest.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

This one scales because Hale as he says that he "beat the hell out of the devil", same devil who has shown to have enviormental manipulation over hell.

But that's just him creating room-sized flames, nothing here indicates "environmental manipulation over hell"

 

[LandonTheGuy]

But that's just him creating room-sized flames, nothing here indicates "environmental manipulation over hell"

Nothing also indicates he can't he's Satan afterall (it's more supportive with the other stuff, as the eruption only starts and the vulcan starts to have instability as hale starts to count down).

Also we got God (not the same thing but they should be fairly similar) who was able to obscure heaven just by getting mad.

They look to have enviormental manipulation of their respective realms.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

The only non-accepted part would be what Hale scales to, just to be clear.

But Psychomaster35 said that the 91 meter end works

We technically don't know if they actually ripped those body parts off (and I'm pretty sure arm-ripping was recalced to Class 5), so it would be at most a "possibly".

Other than that, I think I'm behind the rest.

I should genually check the arm ripping value sometime

 

[LandonTheGuy]

So they are good then? Put this in a CRT and see what happens, that'll bring some real attention

Idk last ctr i did only 2 dudes appeared and then ghosted me.

I wanted to make a general discussion due of the lack of... discussion.... so we gain traction and ppl don't just have High 8-C tf2 from nowhere

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I've noticed that the bread monster does a pretty relevant feat in the map bread space, where he straight up digs a hole (no debrees present so violent frag or pulverization)

Prolly gonna do this later

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

seems interesting

 

[LandonTheGuy]

seems interesting

I N D E E D

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Scout Moves Ayer's Rock: Use a Cone Frustrum Volume Instead
Getting LS from a punch is no bueno.
Mid-Low Regen for TFC Heavy

added the changes u wanted to the ayers rock pushing calc

 

[LandonTheGuy]

inverse square law cowmamgler has been accepted

sadly no small town level end

 

[LandonTheGuy]

So they are good then? Put this in a CRT and see what happens, that'll bring some real attention

Yeah, I see that, I was talking about the ones that aren't in my og post - should have been more specific.

The only non-accepted part would be what Hale scales to, just to be clear.


We technically don't know if they actually ripped those body parts off (and I'm pretty sure arm-ripping was recalced to Class 5), so it would be at most a "possibly".

Other than that, I think I'm behind the rest.

How do y'all feel about the small town end for the calc down here?

Cow mangler inverse square law - 65.27 tons of tnt to 436,8 tons of tnt (city block level+ up to multi city block level) (EVALUATED)

If y'all are ok might as well add it cuz we don't got much against it anyway

 

[LandonTheGuy]

But that's just him creating room-sized flames, nothing here indicates "environmental manipulation over hell"

How do y'all feel about the small town end for the calc down here?

If y'all are ok might as well add it cuz we don't got much against it anyway

forgot to pin the only person online

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I N D E E D

I can't wait for these cals to be accepted

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

But I think their are some other feats for tf2 that could get into this tier(if calculated) as well(but i will probably go back and check before maybe posting here or in ur dms)

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Good evening gentlemenn, today i would have liked to discuss about some stuff regarding the upcoming tf2 ctr that i would do in a not so determinated future, BUT HERE'S SOME CALCS

ATTACK POTENCY/DURABILITY

Another big boom - 3,6 tons of tnt (Large building level)

Heavy stops a train (conservative end) - 6.46 tons of tnt (Large building level) (EVALUATED)

Cow mangler inverse square law - 65.27 tons of tnt to 436,8 tons of tnt (city block level+ up to multi city block level) (EVALUATED)

Scout moves the fake Ayer's Rock (conservative end) - 389 Tons of tnt (Multi city clock level) (EVALUATED)

Saxton causes an eruption as the new CEO of hell - 5.22034 Kilotons (Small Town level+) (EVALUATED)

This one scales because Hale as he says that he "beat the hell out of the devil", same devil who has shown to have enviormental manipulation over hell.
Hale gained other abilities like fire manipulation, possible immortality (as he calls the mercs mortals in the voiceline) and teleportation.
Hale is also known for his love for explosions or explosive entraces.

So on my opinion, Hale after willingly teleporting to the mercs (as the voicelines suggest) he decided to cause an explosion (after even making a count down for it as the vulcano starts to have instability only when Hale starts to count down) for a more epic entrace.

Subatomic disintegration (lesser volumes) - 162.6 Kilotons to 99.33 megatons (Large town level up to City Level+) (EVALUATED)

Subatomic disintegration (bigger volumes) - 178.43 Kilotons to 163.5128327 megatons (Large town level up to Mountain level) (EVALUATED)

SPEED

Cowmangler 5000 speed - mach 29.154 (High hypersonic)

LIFTING STRENGHT

Soldier jumps with a shit ton of ghear on him - 1.67 up to 3.35 Metric Tons (Class 5)

Scout ripping spy arm off - 11.72673645 Metric Tons (Class 25) (NOT CALC)

Soldier steals someone spine - 101.971621 Metric Tons (Class K) (NOT CALC)

Heavy stops a train - 30475.442684 Kilograms (Class M) (EVALUATED)

Scout moves the fake Ayer's Rock - 133969760.41 Kilograms (Class G) (EVALUATED)


IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING OR DISCUSS ABOUT SOME CALCS IT'S FINE


Also where would ya'll put the back regenerating feat of tfc heavy? they asked me to







they called him mad man....

Casual 8-A Damn. Yep math checks out. Can't talk about the scaling

 

[LandonTheGuy]

But I think their are some other feats for tf2 that could get into this tier(if calculated) as well(but i will probably go back and check before maybe posting here or in ur dms)

WHAT OTHER FEATS???? I NEED TO KNOW PLEASSEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

8-A, 7-C with Weapons?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Casual 8-A Damn. Yep math checks out. Can't talk about the scaling

I suggest a scaling that would be around 8-C/8-B (depending what if magnetude 3.5/4) for the Gravel war mercs and then 8-A/Low 7-C (Always if we find better Low 7-C feats for the verse) for the Robot war/Australium chase mercs.


Idk if the Sub-Atomization feats categorize as outliers

 

[LandonTheGuy]

8-A, 7-C with Weapons?

Everithing ranges on the 8-A ranges and i can't use mvm multipliers for the vaporization calcs

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I think there are some earthquake calcs in some maps, we just need to find them

 

[LandonTheGuy]

8-A, 7-C with Weapons?

also what do u think about the Low 7-C end for the cow mangler? think it could be used?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

also what do u think about the Low 7-C end for the cow mangler? think it could be used?

If the math and scaling work

 

[LandonTheGuy]

If the math and scaling work

drite did not tell me it didn't work, just told me it's hard it get's accepted... i guess i'll add it then

Also found this feat from the dr grogbord comics where he uses what it should be the phlog to vaporize part of a gigant monster could be useful

 

[LandonTheGuy]

8-A, 7-C with Weapons?

Nah we assume the mercs scale to the vaporization weapons as they are shown to be oneshotting anything in the dr.grordborts comics and the mercs can clearly tank 1 hit from them

we should get the robot vaporization feats only to the robot war/australium chase mercs as:

1. they are stronger than before so will be their equipment
2. the gravel war mercs never vaporize a robot so...

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I should genually check the arm ripping value sometime

Ok... didn't really find anything that helped... idk do we remove it and put it as a supportive argument for class 5?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Ok... didn't really find anything that helped... idk do we remove it and put it as a supportive argument for class 5?

Yes.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Yes.

aight

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

WHAT OTHER FEATS???? I NEED TO KNOW PLEASSEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

well these are the ones i found that could get to this level
Soldier could pry open Dr. Grordbort’s rocket, which survived atmospheric re-entry
Engineer buildings can survive a nuke point blank, which resembles a Fat Man Nuke

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

the other arguments i found really weren't that good for them physically scaling to it

 

[LandonTheGuy]

well these are the ones i found that could get to this level
Soldier could pry open Dr. Grordbort’s rocket, which survived atmospheric re-entry

Idk about this one cuz soldier looks like he has opened a door to the Rocket

Engineer buildings can survive a nuke point blank, which resembles a Fat Man Nuke

this one seems like game nechanics so i don't think It can be used

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Idk about this one cuz soldier looks like he has opened a door to the Rocket

It kinda looks more like he torn off an piece of it but it could be the latter

This one seems like game nechanics so i don't think It can be use

Fair

 

[LandonTheGuy]

bump (added 2 speed calcs for 2 other feats)