Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

[DaReaperMan]

Newbie question so don't take this as me trying to wank: But what is stopping the big guys in MT from taking a spot in 1-A?

What's MT?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

The LoP can nuke multiple 5th dimension realms via passive existence

Are they just 5-D? Or 6-D?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

What's MT?

Shin Megami Tensei (or MegaTen)

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

From what I heard, SMT is 8 layers above baseline, it being fifth on this list makes sense

 

[MishimaBloodline]

From what I heard, SMT is 8 layers above baseline, it being fifth on this list makes sense

I agree, especially with the amount of hax all the characters have

 

[DaReaperMan]

Knowing 1-A as a tier we should probably wait in case there's a verse that is above 8 layers...

Even though Warhammer is going 1-A+ soon lol

 

[MishimaBloodline]

Knowing 1-A as a tier we should probably wait in case there's a verse that is above 8 layers...

Even though Warhammer is going 1-A+ soon lol

Any verses in mind that are possibly above 8 layers?

 

[deonment]

Well, I don’t know that, so… I dunno what DnD can do. I guess I’ll just make a match when the time comes.

Gonna see if they can hit the peaks of Low 1-C, Low 2-C, High 6-A, and 7-B.

for low 1-C, everyone bar nanashi is not getting past magi, low 2-C, they need to have resistances to passives, but even then they are not getting past ergen who passively haxes unless they have smurfery which i dont remember, for high 6-A, they have to have either smurf or above baseline resistances to soul, mind, and deconstruction down to the quarks, and also resistances or a way to bypass passive power null that works on energy overall, matter (down to photons and subatomic particles) and electromagnetism, for 7-B, they need resistances, and a lot of them

 

[Planck69]

low 2-C, they need to have resistances to passives, but even then they are not getting past ergen who passively haxes unless they have smurfery which i dont remember

Er Gen passives are mostly 4-D (and it's mostly fate, mind and law-hax that are 4-D at that tier). That said, Fang Mu can turn people 2-D via 1-A space manip and Lord White can manip concepts of curses, time and extermination on a similar scale. Guess it depends on MT passive hax scale at that tier.

 

[Planck69]

Even though Warhammer is going 1-A+ soon lol

Wait, what?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wait, what?

Yessir, there's honestly a good amount of support and such for 1-A to 1-A+ Warhammer lol

 

[deonment]

Er Gen passives are mostly 4-D (and it's mostly fate, mind and law-hax that are 4-D at that tier). That said, Fang Mu can turn people 2-D via 1-A space manip and Lord White can manip concepts of curses, time and extermination on a similar scale. Guess it depends on MT passive hax scale at that tier.

the guys in low 2-C dont actually have any passives from memory, its from low 1-C and on where it starts

 

[Planck69]

Yessir, there's honestly a good amount of support and such for 1-A to 1-A+ Warhammer lol

Huh. I can understand countless or at least more than a few layers into 1-A and such since the current descriptions of the Warp already kinda makes it sound fully 1-A. Didn't think others thought the same.

Guess we'll see.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

for low 1-C, everyone bar nanashi is not getting past magi,

Why?

low 2-C, they need to have resistances to passives,

Like?

but even then they are not getting past ergen who passively haxes unless they have smurfery which i dont remember

Such as?

for high 6-A, they have to have either smurf or above baseline resistances to soul, mind, and deconstruction down to the quarks, and also resistances or a way to bypass passive power null that works on energy overall, matter (down to photons and subatomic particles) and electromagnetism, for 7-B, they need resistances, and a lot of them

And same old, what are they? Mind & Soul are easily dealt with.

 

[Planck69]

What scale are MT Low 2-C resistances btw?

 

[deonment]

Why?

high 1-B passive fate hax

Like?


Such as?

This and control+F and type in passive, d's fear, para and empath hax, WoD's passive disbelief + Caine's Curse, and Ergen just also has multiple 1-A haxes

And same old, what are they? Mind & Soul are easily dealt with.

for anyone who scales to the stuff from the diamond realm or demons, anyone else no, they also cant deal with the deconstruction or the power null, while, for 7-B grimm has passive madness and fear, anos is anos, homura has passive 2-A mindhax + Curses, the AoC has dumb passive power copy and other stuff that i cant remember off the top of my head, Es is a blazblue character, and shinza is shinza

 

[MishimaBloodline]

high 1-B passive fate hax

This and control+F and type in passive, d's fear, para and empath hax, WoD's passive disbelief + Caine's Curse, and Ergen just also has multiple 1-A haxes

for anyone who scales to the stuff from the diamond realm or demons, anyone else no, they also cant deal with the deconstruction or the power null, while, for 7-B grimm has passive madness and fear, anos is anos, homura has passive 2-A mindhax + Curses, the AoC has dumb passive power copy and other stuff that i cant remember off the top of my head, Es is a blazblue character, and shinza is shinza

Don't take my word but IIRC SMT characters have 1-A passive fate hax

 

[DaReaperMan]

Don't take my word but IIRC SMT characters have 1-A passive fate hax

No, they have passive 1-A RPL

 

[MishimaBloodline]

No, they have passive 1-A RPL

I apologize but I am really bad at acronyms, what does RPL mean?

 

[Planck69]

Reactive Power Level I think.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

What scale are MT Low 2-C resistances btw?

1-A Mind/Soul/Info/Concept/EE/Absorption/Fusionism, that’s the bulk, forgetting the rest.

high 1-B passive fate hax

Gonna need to think on that, thanks though.

d's fear, para and empath hax,

Not doing anything.

Caine's Curse, and Ergen just also has multiple 1-A haxes

What are both? Can you explain?

for anyone who scales to the stuff from the diamond realm or demons, anyone else no, they also cant deal with the deconstruction or the power null

Says who? They resist both.

for 7-B grimm has passive madness and fear, anos is anos, homura has passive 2-A mindhax

Resisted.

AoC has dumb passive power copy

And…?

Es is a blazblue character, and shinza is shinza

And…?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It’s also Reactive Evolution.

 

[MishimaBloodline]

Reactive Power Level I think.

Thank you! Also what tier is, say, 1-C Jokers fate hax?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It’s not combat applicable anymore, so.

 

[MishimaBloodline]

Oh alright, thanks for letting me know.

 

[Planck69]

What are both? Can you explain?

Can't say for the other but for Er Gen, basically 3rd Step cultivator can manipulate a specific concept or concepts, which are 1-A in scale. Fang Mu can manipulate the Essence of Space and 2 other unspecified ones, Song Que has Life and Death etc. and resist them as well (though higher cultivation allows for better Essence use and can overcome those resistances).

Tho, if the MT Low 2-Cs have blanket resistance to 1-A concept-hax then I suppose it greatly diminishes their effectiveness. How do the Low 2-Cs handle manipulating 1-B space or being trapped in 2-D planes? Also, is their range smurf as well?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can't say for the other but for Er Gen, basically 3rd Step cultivator can manipulate a specific concept or concepts, which are 1-A in scale. Fang Mu can manipulate the Essence of Space and 2 other unspecified ones, Song Que has Life and Death etc. and resist them as well (though higher cultivation allows for better Essence use and can overcome those resistances).

Tho, if the MT Low 2-Cs have blanket resistance to 1-A concept-hax then I suppose it greatly diminishes their effectiveness. How do the Low 2-Cs handle manipulating 1-B space or being trapped in 2-D planes? Also, is their range smurf as well?

They could simply make a barrier, strong enough to resist the effects of the Kadath Mandala, a deeper layer of the CU, which on its own has the hax I listed earlier. Even casual fairies can do this.

Low 2-C Demons should have Low 2-C range.

 

[Planck69]

They could simply make a barrier, strong enough to resist the effects of the Kadath Mandala, a deeper layer of the CU, which on its own has the hax I listed earlier. Even casual fairies can do this.

Is this in response to the concept-hax?

Low 2-C Demons should have Low 2-C range.

I see.

 

[deonment]

Says who? They resist both.

they literally do not resist adam's power null and dont have a way around it and they don't resist deconstruction down to quarks

What are both? Can you explain?

Caine is a tier 0 smurf that reflects anything done to him back 7 times over, this includes hax that doesn't physically damage him like mind, concept, plot etc etc etc, has a gigantic wall of hax, can literally make new powers on the fly with already existent powers for include stuff like outpacing the storyteller themself, has the power of all vampires which includes this wall of hax

And…?

Blazblue has passive, layered (to an inane degree), low 1-C PI, layered high godly, and a bunch of other stuff that I can't remember and Shinza is a 1-B smurf

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Is this in response to the concept-hax?

Anything, really.

So, question towards these guys. While the Demons are physically Low 2-C, they are capable of damaging each other. Demons can casually withstand the effects of the Collective Unconscious, which inflicts 1-A mind/soul/info/concept hax, and Demons themselves are made of those concepts. Every attack they hit afflicts those essences of existence on a 1-A level, and afflict each other with Ailments.

Can any of them withstand that? The attacks can spawn on you, by the way.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

they literally do not resist adam's power null and dont have a way around it and they don't resist deconstruction down to quarks

Are you aware of the fact they can survive in the Collective Unconscious, which is mind/soul/info/concept EE? Are quarks more fundamental than concepts? Power Null is pretty easily dealt with considering they deal with moves like Bind/Seal/Forget, which negates powers, on a mind/soul/info/concept level.

Caine is a tier 0 smurf that reflects anything done to him back 7 times over, this includes hax that doesn't physically damage him like mind, concept, plot etc etc etc, has a gigantic wall of hax, can literally make new powers on the fly with already existent powers for include stuff like outpacing the storyteller themself, has the power of all vampires which includes this wall of hax

Cool. No fight there, then.

Blazblue has passive, layered (to an inane degree), low 1-C PI, layered high godly, and a bunch of other stuff that I can't remember and Shinza is a 1-B smurf

Over 80% of those powers are resisted. And I still don’t have info on Shinza.

 

[Planck69]

Anything, really.

So, question towards these guys. While the Demons are physically Low 2-C, they are capable of damaging each other. Demons can casually withstand the effects of the Collective Unconscious, which inflicts 1-A mind/soul/info/concept hax, and Demons themselves are made of those concepts. Every attack they hit afflicts those essences of existence on a 1-A level, and afflict each other with Ailments.

Can any of them withstand that? The attacks can spawn on you, by the way.

Welp, looks like they move down a number. None of the Er Gen gang really have 1-A soul resist so far.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Alright, then. What does Vivec do?

 

[deonment]

Are you aware of the fact they can survive in the Collective Unconscious, which is mind/soul/info/concept EE? Are quarks more fundamental than concepts? Power Null is pretty easily dealt with considering they deal with moves like Bind/Seal/Forget, which negates powers, on a mind/soul/info/concept level.

it only causes ego death, as stated directly on the scan for the resistance itself, undergoing ego death and basically zero-summing back into the collective unconscious does not mean that your physical body is affected, all effects mentioned only are those that exist on the mental level, not on the physical one

 

[deonment]

Alright, then. What does Vivec do?

high godly regen + is a 1-A+ soon to be high 1-A smurf

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah Vivec is kinda where they stop, he throws his penis staff and GGs

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

it only causes ego death, as stated directly on the scan for the resistance itself, undergoing ego death and basically zero-summing back into the collective unconscious does not mean that your physical body is affected, all effects mentioned only are those that exist on the mental level, not on the physical one

You’re aware the entire verse is a product of the mind, yes? Even if this weren’t the case, this is blatantly untrue. It is directly called a void, and the game over screen from Persona 1 corroborates this assertion, stating “your heart and soul will return to nothing”. QDS is the final nail in the coffin, stating this:

Your flesh has regained its original quantum attributes by being stripped down to the smallest unit, below the molecule. You are everywhere, at all times, and observe all possible worlds simultaneously.

All in all, I fail to see how your assertion holds any significance.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

high godly regen + is a 1-A+ soon to be high 1-A smurf

They don’t need to regen if they can simply incapacitate, can you be more descriptive, please?

 

[deonment]

You’re aware the entire verse is a product of the mind, yes? Even if this weren’t the case, this is blatantly untrue. It is directly called a void, and the game order screen corroborates this assertion, stating “your heart and soul will return to nothing”. QDS is the final nail in the coffin, stating this:


All in all, I fail to see how your assertion holds any significance.

scuse me i have yugioh player syndrome, and as such i cannot read

Power Null is pretty easily dealt with considering they deal with moves like Bind/Seal/Forget, which negates powers, on a mind/soul/info/concept level.

forgot abt this, but anyways, yeah they resist someone negating their powers, adam doesn't do that, they can still do stuff, the effects will never come because the phenomena that would allow for it to occur never happen as the energy that would be made in an agi spell for example, the heat energy that would manifest in order for it to happen becomes negated and as such doesn't do anything

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

scuse me i have yugioh player syndrome, and as such i cannot read

forgot abt this, but anyways, yeah they resist someone negating their powers, adam doesn't do that, they can still do stuff, the effects will never come because the phenomena that would allow for it to occur never happen as the energy that would be made in an agi spell for example, the heat energy that would manifest in order for it to happen becomes negated and as such doesn't do anything

Do you have evidence this would apply to mental/spiritual/informational/conceptual attacks? Because they take spiritual energy, which is equal to the other factors.