Vriska buff request

[Dexteradon12]

While explaining what would have happened in a possible future where Terezi haden't outsmarted Vriska, Doc Scratch claims that in a fight against Jack Noir, if he was a betting man, he'd bet on Vriska. Doc Scratch is all knowing, meaning that when he says he would bet on Vriska, he knows for a fact that she would win the fight. Considering this, shouldn't Vriska be buffed equal or above Jack, who's multiversal+?

 

[Dexteradon12]

If no one has any objections, I'll just do it myself.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Jack is only possibly Multiversal+ for his durability, though why Vriska isn't possibly 2-A in general is beyond me. Gonna have to ask Azzy about that one.

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

Speaking of durabiltty aren't we going to need some upgrade's to a few others chacters like tavros, terizi and all that since in the latest update of homestuck?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Speaking of durabiltty aren't we going to need some upgrade's to a few others chacters like tavros, terizi and all that since in the latest update of homestuck?

Already buffed Terezi's durability, but it's only a possibility.

Tavros doesn't scale like...at all. The whole Lord English "fight" was just him messing around with and beating up other characters for ***** and giggles, because he is still Caliborn. When he actually wanted any of the ghosts destroyed, he completely annihilated scores of them in one shot.

 

[Dexteradon12]

Can't comment on that on account of still being on act six I'm afraid.

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

Already buffed Terezi's durability, but it's only a possibility.

Tavros doesn't scale like...at all. The whole Lord English "fight" was just him messing around with and beating up other characters for ***** and giggles, because he is still Caliborn. When he actually wanted any of the ghosts destroyed, he completely annihilated scores of them in one shot.

oh crap he was just messing around? o.o I didn't know that

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

oh crap he was just messing around? o.o I didn't know that

Yeah. He didn't actually take any damage, and at the end of the segment (when Aradia and the others are using their powers on him), you can see him just roll his eyes before knocking them away and powering up even further.

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

well what about dave/neppta sprite?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Definitely doesn't scale to English.

Probably still really strong, though. Based on being a Sprite^2 and all.

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

Hmm true someone should really get to scaling the felt an the midnight crew as well

 

[Voidchimera]

While explaining what would have happened in a possible future where Terezi haden't outsmarted Vriska, Doc Scratch claims that in a fight against Jack Noir, if he was a betting man, he'd bet on Vriska. Doc Scratch is all knowing, meaning that when he says he would bet on Vriska, he knows for a fact that she would win the fight. Considering this, shouldn't Vriska be buffed equal or above Jack, who's multiversal+?

Actually, that was a failed timeline. Doc Scratch explictly does NOT have omniscience in those, he can only see fragments. It was still heavily implied she won, and we saw a picture of her about to possibly deal the final blow, but nothing was confirmed. Anyway, attack != defense. The stats on Bec Noir are, looking back at it, VERY wrong. He never suvived the destruction of the B2 universe, since he was outside it when he destroyed it (and it was only partially destroyed anyway). And other characters have traversed the Furthest Ring unshielded, it is only hostile if you don't know how to navigate it, and he was just following the meteor Rose was guiding. He never was shown to survive a hit from LE, and was DEFINITELY not impervious to harm (John managed to hurt him easily in a random skirmish by taking him off guard). So if Bec couldn't do any of that, neither can she.

 

[Dexteradon12]

While explaining what would have happened in a possible future where Terezi haden't outsmarted Vriska, Doc Scratch claims that in a fight against Jack Noir, if he was a betting man, he'd bet on Vriska. Doc Scratch is all knowing, meaning that when he says he would bet on Vriska, he knows for a fact that she would win the fight. Considering this, shouldn't Vriska be buffed equal or above Jack, who's multiversal+?

Actually, that was a failed timeline. Doc Scratch explictly does NOT have omniscience in those, he can only see fragments. It was still heavily implied she won, and we saw a picture of her about to possibly deal the final blow, but nothing was confirmed. Anyway, attack != defense. The stats on Bec Noir are, looking back at it, VERY wrong. He never suvived the destruction of the B2 universe, since he was outside it when he destroyed it (and it was only partially destroyed anyway). And other characters have traversed the Furthest Ring unshielded, it is only hostile if you don't know how to navigate it, and he was just following the meteor Rose was guiding. He never was shown to survive a hit from LE, and was DEFINITELY not impervious to harm (John managed to hurt him easily in a random skirmish by taking him off guard). So if Bec couldn't do any of that, neither can she.

He took hits from mail doge, who should have the same attack potency as he does, meaning his durability and attack should be about even.

 

[Voidchimera]

(Snop)

He took hits from mail doge, who should have the same attack potency as he does, meaning his durability and attack should be about even.
Did he? I thought the only one he took was the one that disarmed him (sorry xD).

I mean, for specific attacks, their Attack Potency obviously is (Red Miles destroyed a multiverse for crying out loud), but that is a very specific attack, designed intently to kill a Genesis Frog. He's destroyed many planets with the Green Sun's power, but he always channeled it through his ring, we never saw a physical blow do anything on that level.

I think it's fair to say his Tier and Attack Potency fits very nicely into the definiton of his current tier, but claiming his striking strength is a bit overzealous, and the current explanation for him having Universal level durablility is actually based on false information. Having one or more high stats is not a confirmation of high stats in other catagories, and we don't have any feats of him or PM using striking strength to do anything anywhere near that level, so by extension we can't really use that as a feat for his durability.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

His durability explanation should probably be changed to something regarding fighting against PM.

 

[Voidchimera]

His durability explanation should probably be changed to something regarding fighting against PM.

What feats do we have from that? They're (presumubly) the same power. A good refrence point might be John's brief fight with Jack? We know his strength a bit better, and he did descent damage to Jack with a clean hit. I think it might work.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

What feats do we have from that? They're (presumubly) the same power. A good refrence point might be John's brief fight with Jack? We know his strength a bit better, and he did descent damage to Jack with a clean hit. I think it might work.

Indeed. PM and Jack also have the same power source (obviously), so that's another thing. Though I don't know if PM has a version of the Miles or not, which would almost certainly prevent her from having a 2-A move in her arsenal like Jack.