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Whis sees that all of the gods of destruction have been decintegrated and sees the universe being consumed in light. He instantly blocks it and sees that there is a character on earth who actually has a creative and original design! He cannot allow it to exist!

Speed is equal

Whis: 7

Galeem: 1

Waluigi galeem
When you step in poo
 
"all of the gods of Destruction have been decintegrated and sees the universe being consumed in light."

Then Galeem has already won
 
Honestly the concept of having to explain in a wins/loses record that the plot of the fight ''could'' have influenced the result of this one was interesting. I would like to see that in the future.
 
Whis is gonna have a field day killing all of the characters Galeem throws at him

Whis gets my vote due to better matter and time manipulation and Ultra Instinct

Plus considering how he's Beerus's teacher, he likely knows the Hakai technique, as there would be literally no other person who would be capable of teaching Beerus the technique
 
Whis does has not shown the hakai and doesnt have it on his profile, so it cant be used. Plus whis never taught him the hakai. It seems to be given automatically judging by g.o.d toppo
 
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Whis does has not shown the hakai and doesnt have it on his profile, so it cant be used. Plus whis never taught him the hakai. It seems to be given automatically judging by g.o.d toppo
The Tournament of Power wasn't the first time Toppo went GoD

Toppo has been a GoD candidate for a period of timebefore his debut, and it's likely that either Belmod or Marcarita (or both) trained him to be a GoD. Bu who do you think taught Belmod? and Belmod's predecessor? and possibly every other U11 GoD that has ever existed? That's right, Marcarita.

So Whis most likely taught Beerus the Hakai, cause he's literally the only one who could have. It's highly unlikely that Beerus's race is born with it, cause other universes have access to Destruction as well.

Even without Hakai Whis still has my vote, due to better hax, AP, and ultra instinct
 
Besides Master Hand and people like that, Whis utterly stomps everyone else in the Smash verse with sheer AP.
 
Yeah 2-C Sonic would solo dB, 2-B Mario since merging him with Paper Mario is allowed here would do the same. And even in the same tier he loses to some low 2-Cs like Ness and Shulk.

Oh and people in the smash canon like Master hand Tabuu could go toe to toe with Whis as well.
 
MYHERO said:
Yeah 2-C Sonic would solo dB, 2-B Mario since merging him with Paper Mario is allowed here would do the same. And even in the same tier he loses to some low 2-Cs like Ness and Shulk.
Oh and people in the smash canon like Master hand Tabuu could go toe to toe with Whis as well.
oh you mean the non-Smash verse incarnations

Yeah I don't think Master Hand can summon those
 
MYHERO said:
Yeah 2-C Sonic would solo dB, 2-B Mario since merging him with Paper Mario is allowed here would do the same. And even in the same tier he loses to some low 2-Cs like Ness and Shulk.
Oh and people in the smash canon like Master hand Tabuu could go toe to toe with Whis as well.
Wrong incarnations.

There's no 2-C sonic in Smash and 2-B Mario doesn't exist either. The smash characters are not the same characters as their real canon incarnations. Ness and Shulk also aren't the same as their canon counterparts.

Also it's very debatable whether Master Hand and Tabuu has the AP advantage now that Whis' AP chain is so large.

So right now we have Whis at...

Whis > SSB Gogeta > FP Broly > MUI Goku > Limit Breaker Jiren > 100% Jiren > Beerus (?) > Super Saiyan Gogeta > Super Saiyan Broly > Base Gogeta > Ikari Broly > Hint of True Power Jiren > SSB Goku and Vegeta Post ToP > GoD Toppo > SSB Kaiokenx20 Goku and Royal Blue Vegeta (Latter end of ToP) > "Trying" Jiren > BSSJ2 Kefla > 2nd UI Goku > Casual Jiren > Initial UI Goku > Infinite Zamasu = Unquantifiably superior to Baseline Low 2-C (Became one with a timeline and unquantifiably became one with another (Main Timeline) timeline)

Now I got a few characters at "weird" places on that list but what matters is that Whis is utterly superior to everyone else in the chain no matter their place.
 
@Akreious I already said I meant the Game versions, I don't need this to be spelled out for me.

In any case let's stop derailing.
 
Akreious said:
Besides Master Hand and people like that, Whis utterly stomps everyone else in the Smash verse with sheer AP.
Whis stomps everyone with sheer AP

Master Hand and Crazy Hand are at least 8 times baseline (Low 2C Pokemon), Galeem and Dharkon are hundreds of times baseline (since Marth said that the SSBU cast had to kill 10 master hands each, and multiply that by 76 for the amount of fighters there are)

Whis can AP stomp Full Power SSJ Broly, who can AP stomp Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku, who can AP stomp his initial Ultra Instinct -Sign- state, who can AP stomp Infinite Zamasu, who could traverse other universes outside the timeline, which is already massively into Low 2C
 
Infinite Zamasu is so little above baseline that it's a waste of bytes to say that he's unquantifiably superior to baseline.
 
The real cal howard said:
Infinite Zamasu is so little above baseline that it's a waste of bytes to say that he's unquantifiably superior to baseline.
If he merged fully into the Main Timeline, he'd be flat 2-C. I wouldn't say that it's a waste.
 
Yeah, if. However, the amount of space he got inside the main timeline was at most the size of a shed. That's so infinitesimally small compared to the size of the universe that it completely doesn't matter. Even if he got the earth as a whole, or even the galaxy, it would be laughably negligible.
 
The real cal howard said:
Yeah, if. However, the amount of space he got inside the main timeline was at most the size of a shed. That's so infinitesimally small compared to the size of the universe that it completely doesn't matter. Even if he got the earth as a whole, or even the galaxy, it would be laughably negligible.
I'd like to note that Zamasu only visually encompassed Earth back in the Future Timeline and yet was stated to have completely fused with it. I sincerely doubt visual representation would translate well over to 4th Dimensional Energy like Time.
 
The real cal howard said:
Yeah, if. However, the amount of space he got inside the main timeline was at most the size of a shed. That's so infinitesimally small compared to the size of the universe that it completely doesn't matter. Even if he got the earth as a whole, or even the galaxy, it would be laughably negligible.
According to the Tier List for this wiki, the difference between Low 2C and 2C is if a character can breach the 5th dimensional axis between universes

Infinite Zamasu did exactly that

That should be immensly above baseline Low 2C
 
That's so false that I don't even know where to begin, tbh. For starters, the only reason Zamasu was able to breach was because of the time machine's "temporal footprint". Secondly, any decent dimensional travel completely debunks that. Not to mention that said definition is absolutely asinine on our part. The 5-D axis stuff is like, complete speculation, and while I can normally accept that, it's pseudo-science here that's never followed.
 
Yeah IZ is just baseline Low 2-C.

The rest of the cast being above baseline? Fine, because they upscale. But not to the degree being suggested by saying IZ is that far above baseline.
 
>Seen on earth.

Your point? His presence was seen on earth, yes, but his presence was the size of a shed. Even if he took over the earth, it's be infinitesimally negligible.

>Beerus

Yeah, because Beerus has excellent extrasensory perception and Zamasu isn't anywhere close to weak and having low ki. I don't see your point there either.
 
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