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Whole Cake Island Scaling Revision

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ReallySwagGuy said:
Someone said that a post-WCI base Luffy downgrade would result in post-Udon base Luffy also getting affected by it.
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Scale him above his current capabilities for the meantime until someone finds a new justification that can be discussed in a future thread. Finding new scaling chains here is just a pathway for derailment.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Anyway if we are going to have Gear 3rd Luffy reaching 6-B, wouldn't make all Tobiroppo 6-B too since Page One survived an attack from Gear 3rd, at least in their Zoan Forms?

And of course their AP/Striking Strength too since they can fight characters who can harm/damage them in their Zoan Form.

That by default would also affect Jinbe, Franky, Robin, Brook, Apoo and Charlotte Perospero scaling. As well as Zoro and Sanji before their power up.
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(Btw, Katakuri's page only has his base durability at High 6-C, shouldn't it be 6-B like his base AP?)
 
Also currently Charlotte Perospero scale to 6-B, however i assume that he would need to be downgraded to High 6-C too?
 
Stefano4444 said:
Also currently Charlotte Perospero scale to 6-B, however i assume that he would need to be downgraded to High 6-C too?
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I think he should have 2 separate keys. One for WCI which is High 6-C, and the other for Wano, with the Wano one scaling above the Tobiroppo due to him beating an injured base Neko, who per Jack's statements is above the Scabbards.
 
Eseseso said:
I think he should have 2 separate keys. One for WCI which is High 6-C, and the other for Wano, with the Wano one scaling above the Tobiroppo due to him beating an injured base Neko, who per Jack's statements is above the Scabbards.
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Why there should be two keys? Nothing indicate that Perospero got stronger from the last arc.

Sure he lost his arm, but due of a sui***e move after that he never directly fought anyone else until Wano.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Why there should be two keys? Nothing indicate that Perospero got stronger from the last arc.

Sure he lost his arm, but due of a sui***e move after that he never directly fought anyone else until Wano.
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KingTempest said:
Do not give him another key
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Why not? It's not like he's Commander level in Wano so it's not too big a jump.

Also KT:
Eseseso said:
(Btw, Katakuri's page only has his base durability at High 6-C, shouldn't it be 6-B like his base AP?)
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Honestly, if we're gonna just scale characters' durability hundreds of times below attacks they can objectively withstand and keep fighting without issue (Doflamingo and Katakuri vs Boundman, Scabbards vs base Kaido, Apoo eating a Punk Gibson to the face and barely even being injured at all) simply because they're not 100% on par, it'd be a pretty big double standard to then say Page One not having his skull immediately shattered by a single Gear 3rd attack makes him 6-B.
 
Yasuda_144 said:
Honestly, if we're gonna just scale characters' durability hundreds of times below attacks they can objectively withstand and keep fighting without issue (Doflamingo and Katakuri vs Boundman, Scabbards vs base Kaido, Apoo eating a Punk Gibson to the face and barely even being injured at all) simply because they're not 100% on par, it'd be a pretty big double standard to then say Page One not having his skull immediately shattered by a single Gear 3rd attack makes him 6-B.
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Boundman scales to less than 10x larger than katakuri while katakuri got his ass whooped. That isn't that big for scaling of withstanding. Same with injured doffy who got hurt by base luffy right before he got knocked from bounceman
The scabbards scale to half base kaido
Apoo doesn't scale for consistency reasons
Page One has an entire databook statement talking about how sturdy his body is strictly because of him taking a gear 3rd hit with his jaw "almost" being dislocated. He scales.
**** are we talking about
 
KingTempest said:
Boundman scales to less than 10x larger than katakuri while katakuri got his ass whooped. That isn't that big for scaling of withstanding. Same with injured doffy who got hurt by base luffy right before he got knocked from bounceman
The scabbards scale to half base kaido
Apoo doesn't scale for consistency reasons
Page One has an entire databook statement talking about how sturdy his body is strictly because of him taking a gear 3rd hit with his jaw "almost" being dislocated. He scales.
**** are we talking about
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Less then 10x? Boundman is 17 teratons and Katakuri's dura is from what I can tell 150 gigatons and certainly not above High 6-C at any rate. That's a 100x difference and Doffy is even worse since he's 6-C+. Scabbards only scale to half base Kaido with Advanced Armament when I'm 90% sure they've taken hits from him without it. Fair enough on the Page One point though.
 
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You have Franky as Large Island level for scaling to Usopp and Nami when they're either Small City level or Country level.
 
KingTempest said:
Bro
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What? Buzz Cut Mochi is literally his ultimate attack. It has no business being rated below his Power Mochi awakening fists. Edged Mochi also uses also uses a comparable if not superior amount of Haki as his Power Mochi, and it is what Katakuri used to combat Snakeman Luffy, who is also 6-B. The rating should look like this:
Kachon123 said:
High 6-C, up to 6-B with Power Mochi Fists, higher with Edged Mochi, even higher with Buzz Cut Mochi.
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Damage3245 said:
You have Franky as Large Island level for scaling to Usopp and Nami when they're either Small City level or Country level.
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Small City level physically, Country level its only with Sorcery Clima-Tact and Grow Up Kuro Kabuto.

As while they are durable enough to survive attacks from Ulti and Page One, they can't physically match their power.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Small City level physically, Country level its only with Sorcery Clima-Tact and Grow Up Kuro Kabuto.

As while they are durable enough to survive attacks from Ulti and Page One, they can't physically match their power.
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Yeah, I'm not criticizing Nami's or Usopp's justficiations here, but Franky's.
 
Damage3245 said:
Yeah, I'm not criticizing Nami's or Usopp's justficiations here, but Franky's.
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I mean his current profile its Large Island level too.

But maybe its the justication that its kinda shit, so it make more sense for him to either upscale to his previous Key or just scale to Base Tobiroppo.
 
Kachon123 said:
What? Buzz Cut Mochi is literally his ultimate attack. It has no business being rated below his Power Mochi awakening fists. Edged Mochi also uses also uses a comparable if not superior amount of Haki as his Power Mochi, and it is what Katakuri used to combat Snakeman Luffy, who is also 6-B. The rating should look like this:
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Fiiiiiine
 
Kachon123 said:
He is High 6-C, up to 6-B with Power Mochi Fists, higher with Edged Mochi, even higher with Buzz Cut Mochi.
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Why would his Edged Mochi be rated higher than his Power Mochi when Boundman was able to easily overpower Edged but was stopped by Power?
 
Kachon123 said:
Because his Power Mochi ranges in power, hence the 'up to.' It can be weaker than Edged Mochi or stronger at its max.
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I get that but with the way it's worded to me suggests that Edged Mochi is above Power Mochi's maximum output. Instead of higher wouldn't something like "or with edged mochi" work better?
 
Kachon123 said:
it is what Katakuri used to combat Snakeman Luffy, who is also 6-B
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Problem its that at the moment most people in this thread seen to agree that Snakeman Luffy has no longer any reason to scale to 6-B, which in turn make Katakuri unable to reach 6-B without Awakening.

Personally i also think that Snakeman Luffy should still be 6-B by either at least upscale from Dressrosa Zoro, be comparable to Gear 3rd or at most downscale Boundman Luffy, but it seen my opinion its in the minority.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Problem its that at the moment most people in this thread seen to agree that Snakeman Luffy has no longer any reason to scale to 6-B, which in turn make Katakuri unable to reach 6-B without Awakening.

Personally i also think that Snakeman Luffy should still be 6-B by either at least upscale from Dressrosa Zoro, be comparable to Gear 3rd or at most downscale Boundman Luffy, but it seen my opinion its in the minority.
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Im fine with a comparison to Zoro but it needs good justification. On top of that, that’s Zoro’s strongest move scaling to some casual Snakeman hits. Idk.

If it has reason to be above G3rd then it can work.

Downscaling from boundman is crazy to me.
 
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