Zeref vs Sirzechs

[PsychoWarper]

Zeref Dragneel (with Fariy Heart)

vs

Sirzechs Lucifer (True Form)

Standard battle assumptions

Takes place on a neutral planet

Zeref: 0

Sirzechs: 0

Incon: 7

 

[Schnee_One]

Zeref uses "Die"

Sirzechs dies

 

[PsychoWarper]

Wow fast vote kek.

Anyway one for Zeref.

 

[TriforcePower1]

I'm not really sure how can it go in any other way. Sirzechs erases everything in contact, but Zeref just death haxes with range and he's dead.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I don't really know about this one. Sirzechs might just erase the attack once it touches him passively.

 

[Schnee_One]

Emphasis on "contact" and "range"

That helps

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Well, the death manip is an attack. It getting erased means it doesn't kill Sirzechs.

 

[Schnee_One]

Why would it erase it when his Erasure erased Mind body and soul?

I don't think a "Death" has either of those

 

[DragonEmperor23]

? I mean souls and minds are intangible, didn't stop it from being erased. A fire doesn't have a body, mind, or soul, it would still be erased.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Death seems more abstract then any of those.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Fire has a "body" in the forms of the atoms that compose it. Death doesn't.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

It was just another example. Minds and souls aren't made out of atoms.

 

[TriforcePower1]

And Death doesn't have a mind or a soul, so it's not affected.

 

[Schnee_One]

Fire has a "body" in the forms of the atoms that compose it. Death doesn't.

This is explicitly said in FT as well, I believe we had a CRT on this

Also, no resistance to Time Stop means Zeref time stops and then uses death.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Garg is arguing Zeref uses time stop

 

[TriforcePower1]

Ha, you activated my trap card, "Not IC move"!

 

[Schnee_One]

Didn't you yourself argue constantly that he uses it? Or is it now not in character all of a sudden?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Okay, you activated my trap card "SBA"!

SBA means they are at a maximum of four kilometers from each other.

Zeref throws his Death and Sirzechs throws his PoD

One gets soul ripped and the other gets erased from existence.

Inconclusive.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I mean arguing that Zeref uses time stop from four kilometers away has way less reasoning behind it than being closer to his opponent like in the only fight/combat he's been in.

Plus, I'm not sure if his timestop is that big.

 

[Schnee_One]

....That would have been useful on the Rensa thread wouldn't it.....?

Anyway, Zeref's Death has Actual range, Sirzechs doesn't. So I'm not seeing how Zeref diesntbtaje this

Also ignorebtge time Stop thing, according to fire Sirzechs resists

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Dozens of kilometers with PoD

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Also, that thread was a mistake ovo

 

[Schnee_One]

PoD is a beam IIRC, I don't think it's an AoE like Zeref's.

But anyway, Incon FRA

 

[Overlord775]

Can't Zeref just time rewind back from getting erased ?

 

[PsychoWarper]

Fixed.

 

[Schnee_One]

Can't Zeref just time rewind back from getting erased ?

How?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Can't Zeref just time rewind back from getting erased ?

Power of destruction erases mind, body, and soul.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I dunno if I'd call it a beam, pretty sure Sirzechs can nuke all of Japan or smth with it.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

It does say on his page that while holding back he could easily engulf half an island.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

He likely can't destroy Japan with one attack. At least, there's nothing backing that up. It's a statement from one of the first few volumes, and it looks to be retconned. A more recent statement for Serafall is that she can destroy an entire island with a single shot of her demonic energy, which fits more with the other island busting showings and statements.

I'll vote inconclusive as well. Although, adult Gasper said his time stop wouldn't work on Super Devils and the new generation of Maou so Sirzechs might have a resistance to that.

 

[Schnee_One]

Schnee One wrote Also ignore the time Stop thing, according to fire Sirzechs resists

 

[Cueio_2020]

Incon FRA.

 

[Overlord775]

Can't Zeref just time rewind back from getting erased ?

Power of destruction erases mind, body, and soul.

Can't he revert that ?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

No proof to say he can so incon from me as well.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

No, he needs a mind for that.

 

[Schnee_One]

You need proof he can @Over

 

[TriforcePower1]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[Overlord775]

No, he needs a mind for that.

"Time, and Space Manipulation (Can completely revert all damage done to him, as even after his whole body was completely vaporized by Natsu, he was able to effortlessly rewind his body back to normal, despite not having a mind or body left)"

He doesn't

 

[Schnee_One]

Sirzechs erases his soul.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

It was his brain that was destroyed, not his consciousness. The page should be adjusted.