The Future King of Vermin fights The Crimson Huntress-In-Training!

[azontr]

And? how do we know that he put himself as a standard for the examns

Because he's the headmaster and is the one who decides who does and doesn't pass.

You know that hunting is combat rigth? Especially on the setting

h that is really nice.... hunter skills aren't the same as figthing skills tho but still a good feat

You deadass said this and wanna say the exact opposite now? Cool. You literally said that hunter skills did not equate to combat skills, don't pull out now.

I wasn't being sarcastic but okay

Okay.

Oh ok... how do we know that was a skill feat? Skill feats are hard as hell to quantify and they need alot of context to know that it was actual skill

She scales above people who scale above the copycat strictly in combat skill. There's no context needed.

Not an argument

Still incoherent.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just throwing this out there, Velvet and Nebula are comparable, and the fight was melee. If you really need more context there are scans from the novel I have lying around nowadays to break over your head

 

[azontr]

Just throwing this out there, Velvet and Nebula are comparable, and the fight was melee. If you really need more context there are scans from the novel I have lying around nowadays to break over your head

Send them plz.

 

[Livinmeme]

1. Just because is a CQC doesn't mean the guy who won was because of skill (i alredy said that many times)
2. Did i just start an skill dick competition?

 

[azontr]

2. Did i just start an skill dick competition?

A skill dick competition Mori loses, by the way. I already said this. Ruby is much superior to Mori in general combat skill, he simply has things capable of circumventing this such as instinctive reactions, AoE, and high-speed movement.

 

[DaReaperMan]

1. Just because is a CQC doesn't mean the guy who won was because of skill (i alredy said that many times)

When the characters are comparable and no tricks were used by the winning party, yeah, it does.
Scan 1, Scan 2.

 

[Livinmeme]

When the characters are comparable and no tricks were used by the winning party, yeah, it does.
Scan 1, Scan 2.

Wait how do we scale hax to skill anyway...

Have you heard about matchups? Or experience or luck....

 

[Livinmeme]

A skill dick competition Mori loses, by the way. I already said this. Ruby is much superior to Mori in general combat skill, he simply has things capable of circumventing this such as instinctive reactions, AoE, and high-speed movement.

Man renember when RWBY character were demmed as extremlly unskilled..... i blame ikki for bringing this hellhole to vs battling

 

[azontr]

Wait how do we scale hax to skill anyway...

Have you heard about matchups? Or experience or luck....

It takes far to many assumptions to assume those factors came into play without explicit statements.

One could use this argument to dismiss 99% of all skill feats as merely a poor match-up or poor luck on either side.

 

[azontr]

Man renember when RWBY character were demmed as extremlly unskilled.....

No. I've only been on this wiki for a year or so, and I have not participated in RWBY debates enough to know of a time where it was like that.

 

[Livinmeme]

It takes far to many assumptions to assume those factors came into play without explicit statements.

One could use this argument to dismiss 99% of all skill feats as merely a poor match-up or poor luck on either side.

That literally applies to your argument.... man the wiki needs to actually put some rules into determinating what is skill and what is not

PD: Oh also in that scan she directly says that chaning the skill midway was overwhelming her...
PDD: Oh also wasn't the whole ¨having to perfectly dodge every single hit that may cause a hunter organ failure¨ more of a mobility feat that a skill feat (still could be used as a skill feat)

 

[azontr]

That literally applies to your argument.... man the wiki needs to actually put some rules into determinating what is skill and what is not

Elaborate on what you mean by this as currently this statement means absolutely nothing at all.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wait how do we scale hax to skill anyway...

Have you heard about matchups? Or experience or luck....

Basically what Azontr said.

That would be your positive assertion to prove, especially since to suggest something being experience when both Nebula and Velvet are around the same age, or to suggest luck to try and disprove a skill feat, or to talk about matchups without proof... well... let's just say...

 

[Livinmeme]

Basically what Azontr said.

That would be your positive assertion to prove, especially since to suggest something being experience when both Nebula and Velvet are around the same age, or to suggest luck to try and disprove a skill feat, or to talk about matchups without proof... well... let's just say...

You know that

A. Nebula was overwhelmed by velvet ¨fast style changing style¨
B. She got the uper hand after she got hitted and used that momentum for a kick

The rest is a valid point tho

 

[azontr]

You know that

A. Nebula was overwhelmed by velvet ¨fast style changing style¨
B. She got the uper hand after she got hitted and used that momentum for a kick

The rest is a valid point tho

Both of these are skill feats. Do not pretend that shifting through martial arts styles to overwhelm your opponent is not a feat of skill.

Do not pretend that using one's momentum against them to perform an attack is not a feat of one's battle prowess.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You know that

A. Nebula was overwhelmed by velvet ¨fast style changing style¨
B. She got the uper hand after she got hitted and used that momentum for a kick

The rest is a valid point tho

A. Yes, for a time, Nebula adapted and got better.

B. Azontr covered it.

 

[Livinmeme]

Both of these are skill feats. Do not pretend that shifting through martial arts styles to overwhelm your opponent is not a feat of skill.

Do not pretend that using one's momentum against them to perform an attack is not a feat of one's battle prowess.

Yeah while still a skill feat is not really that impressive when most of the work comes from your ability (this is pratically the sharingan again yey), also the ¨using momentum to hit hard¨ is such a basic concept to literally anyone that wants to figth isn't even funny. Damn even i learned that when i praticed self defense as a kid

 

[Livinmeme]

A. Yes, for a time, Nebula adapted and got better.

B. Azontr covered it.

Oh ok....show scans, because in the last scan you showed she losed the punch trade off

 

[azontr]

Yeah while still a skill feat is not really that impressive when most of the work comes from your ability (this is pratically the sharingan again yey), also the ¨using momentum to hit hard¨ is such a basic concept to literally anyone that wants to figth isn't even funny. Damn even i learned that when i praticed self defense as a kid

1. We are not talking about the skill of the one with the ability. We are talking about the skill of the person who is fighting against the one with the ability through skill, and is indeed NOT using an ability.

2. Deadass nobody ever asked whether or not it was impressive. I just said it was a skill feat, which you seemed to deny. I deadass do not give a shit about you're childhood or what you learned during it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh ok....show scans, because in the last scan you showed she losed the punch trade off

Uh, dude, Nebula completely rekt'd Velvet in the scan. Did you get them mixed up?

 

[Livinmeme]

Uh, dude, Nebula completely rekt'd Velvet in the scan. Did you get them mixed up?

Wasn't your point that they scale to velvet ¨bootleg shenanigan¨ ability that somehows translates to skill?

 

[azontr]

Wasn't your point that they scale to velvet ¨bootleg shenanigan¨ ability that somehows translates to skill?

We aren't talking about Velvet.

We're talking about people who scale above Velvet through sheer skill.

You did not read.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wasn't your point that they scale to velvet ¨bootleg shenanigan¨ ability that somehows translates to skill?

The point is she is a composite of the characters listed in skill and can use all of their skill abilities, which includes first key Ruby funnily enough, when she was spamming a bunch of different people's skills, Nebula still completely rekt'd her if you read that second scan instead of skimming it.

 

[Livinmeme]

1. We are not talking about the skill of the one with the ability. We are talking about the skill of the person who is fighting against the one with the ability through skill, and is indeed NOT using an ability.

2. Deadass nobody ever asked whether or not it was impressive. I just said it was a skill feat, which you seemed to deny. I deadass do not give a shit about you're childhood or what you learned during it.

1. Then why the hell did you bring up that velvet mixing martial arts was impressive? Man do you think i won't notic you jumping from ¨scaling to velvet skill¨ to ¨being able to counter velvet hax¨

2. And that is literally not impressive... at all specially considering how agile RWBY are, while a skill feat is still a really really small skill feat

 

[Livinmeme]

We aren't talking about Velvet.

We're talking about people who scale above Velvet through sheer skill.

You did not read.

Uh, dude, Nebula completely rekt'd Velvet in the scan. Did you get them mixed up?

Well that is going to be a problem..... If only she did really win because skill. As i stated again she got the upperhand after using the momentum of her backflip to kick velvet, who then putted her stuck in the ground

 

[azontr]

1. Then why the hell did you bring up that velvet mixing martial arts was impressive? Man do you think i won't notic you jumping from ¨scaling to velvet skill¨ to ¨being able to counter velvet hax¨

2. And that is literally not impressive... at all specially considering how agile RWBY are, while a skill feat is still a really really small skill feat

1. Because Ruby scales above Velvet and she is the one fighting in the match. She scales above Velvet who has the composite fighting skill of multiple skilled characters, which, while done through an ability, still works when a character who does not have an ability akin to it outskills Velvet.

2. I did not ask. I don't care.

 

[DaReaperMan]

1. Then why the hell did you bring up that velvet mixing martial arts was impressive? Man do you think i won't notic you jumping from ¨scaling to velvet skill¨ to ¨being able to counter velvet hax¨

2. And that is literally not impressive... at all specially considering how agile RWBY are, while a skill feat is still a really really small skill feat

Velvet doesn't have hax. She copied everyone listed who are all stupid skilled in their own right. This key of Ruby scales above Nebula, who rekt'd Velvet

Which literally doesn't matter.

I think we're done here.

 

[Livinmeme]

Okay let me stablish the orders of Event.

1. Velvet and nebula starts trowing punches
2. Velvet wins
3. Nebula uses the momentum and kicks her
4. Velvet gets struck in the ground

Cmon they even said

¨velvet still gets a point on that one for her snappy comeback,¨

 

[azontr]

Okay let me stablish the orders of Event.

1. Velvet and nebula starts trowing punches
2. Velvet wins
3. Nebula uses the momentum and kicks her
4. Velvet gets struck in the ground

Cmon they even said

This is completely irrelevant.

 

[Livinmeme]

Velvet doesn't have hax. She copied everyone listed who are all stupid skilled in their own right. This key of Ruby scales above Nebula, who rekt'd Velvet

Which literally doesn't matter.

I think we're done here.

Who she copied by hax, cmon is literally stated that it was because of her semblance

¨but he didn't know that her semblance allowed her to call on those combat techniques any time.¨

 

[azontr]

Who she copied by hax, cmon is literally stated that it was because of her semblance

....

If she copies the abilities through hax, and effectively uses them in tandem with each other to combat an opponent, it doesn't matter how it was copied, she is using them in a skillful manner.

It doesn't matter if it's done through hax.

She copies it through hax, and then uses it effectively with her own skills. The semblance gives her the ability to copy whatever she sees. She then has to use what she copies effectively. Use your ******* brain.

 

[Livinmeme]

So we have

supposed beating a girl who has the power to combine alot of styles WITH HER HAX. And the supposed scan of her scaling to the ¨billon techniques or whatever¨ being actually the girl with the techniques winning a punch comptetion using her techniques (i said the punching competition, not the match)

 

[azontr]

So we have

supposed beating a girl who has the power to combine alot of styles WITH HER HAX. And the supposed scan of her scaling to the ¨billon techniques or whatever¨ being actually the girl with the techniques winning a punch comptetion using her techniques (i said the punching competition, not the match)

....

If she copies the abilities through hax, and effectively uses them in tandem with each other to combat an opponent, it doesn't matter how it was copied, she is using them in a skillful manner.

It doesn't matter if it's done through hax.

She copies it through hax, and then uses it effectively with her own skills. The semblance gives her the ability to copy whatever she sees. She then has to use what she copies effectively. Use your ******* brain.

Livin.

Stop acting like you do not have basic reading comprehension and actually read.

It doesn't matter if she copied it through hax, it is up to her to use these abilities she copied effectively in combat. She knows them, and now she must apply them in a way that works, and she DOES.

That is skill.

 

[Livinmeme]

....

If she copies the abilities through hax, and effectively uses them in tandem with each other to combat an opponent, it doesn't matter how it was copied, she is using them in a skillful manner.

It doesn't matter if it's done through hax.

She copies it through hax, and then uses it effectively with her own skills. The semblance gives her the ability to copy whatever she sees. She then has to use what she copies effectively. Use your ******* brain.

No man they literally said ¨her semblance ALLOWS TO CALL on those combat techniques¨, is not done via skill they directly said it was her semblance

TDLR: Is neither skill that allows her to copy the techniques neither is skill the thing that allows her to use the techniques in a matterfull way. Oh also you didn't say that velvet skill doesn't matter and what it matters is the copying hax?

We aren't talking about Velvet.

We're talking about people who scale above Velvet through sheer skill.

You did not read.

 

[azontr]

No man they literally said ¨her semblance ALLOWS TO CALL on those combat techniques¨, is not done via skill they directly said it was her semblance

Livin use your ******* brain.

If her semblance allows her to copy the techniques she does not know how to magically use them effectively in combat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Okay let me stablish the orders of Event.

1. Velvet and nebula starts trowing punches
2. Velvet wins
3. Nebula uses the momentum and kicks her
4. Velvet gets struck in the ground

Cmon they even said

Lying I see.

Nebula and Velvet throw punches and they're even, Velvet tries to land 2 hits with her spear, Nebula dodges and roundhouse kicks Velvet in the back, Scarlet compliments Velvet's insult to Nebula, Velvet kneels to catch her breath, Nebula brings her leg down, Velvet catches it with her spear halves, the force sends her into the sand which gets her stuck, Nebula breaks off and the fight ends.

Don't lie again.

No man they literally said ¨her semblance ALLOWS TO CALL on those combat techniques¨, is not done via skill they directly said it was her semblance

TDLR: Is neither skill that allows her to copy the techniques neither is skill the thing that allows her to use the techniques in a matterfull way. Oh also you didn't say that velvet skill doesn't matter and what it matters is the copying hax?

ah yes, the hax of 'Velvet copies fighting styles by seeing them'. Her semblance is called Photographic MEMORY for a reason.

 

[Livinmeme]

Nebula and Velvet throw punches and they're even, Velvet tries to land 2 hits with her spear, Nebula dodges and roundhouse kicks Velvet in the back, Scarlet compliments Velvet's insult to Nebula, Velvet kneels to catch her breath, Nebula brings her leg down, Velvet catches it with her spear halves, the force sends her into the sand which gets her stuck, Nebula breaks off and the fight ends.

Kinda weird because that would make the ¨one point for velvet by her snappy comeback¨ make no sense, atleast that would imply that velvet was getting an advantagen (also how in hell would an insult count as any comeback at all?)

ah yes, the hax of 'Velvet copies fighting styles by seeing them'. Her semblance is called Photographic MEMORY for a reason.

My point is that the semblance is allowing her to use the techniques in a effective way

 

[Livinmeme]

Livin use your ******* brain.

If her semblance allows her to copy the techniques she does not know how to magically use them effectively in combat.

That is not skill that is hax, at best that would make her effective in combat not really skilled per say (god this is becoming confusing)
pd: Also you didn't say that was skill who allowed her to use it not the semblance?

 

[azontr]

That is not skill that is hax, at best that would make her effective in combat not really skilled per say (god this is becoming confusing)

No it's not.

It is photographic memory. She remembers them perfectly and thus can perform them.

Nothing says that she immediately gains knowledge on how to use these techniques against opponents, especially when she could go up against an opponent she has no experience fighting, or against an opponent that can counter her in some way. That would be an entirely different ability besides technique mimicry.

You deadass have doo doo reading comprehension.

Now I bet your gonna say Mori's copying skill is hax not skill.

 

[Livinmeme]

No it's not.

It is photographic memory. She remembers them perfectly and thus can perform them.

Nothing says that she immediately gains knowledge on how to use these techniques against opponents, especially when she could go up against an opponent she has no experience fighting, or against an opponent that can counter her in some way. That would be an entirely different ability besides technique mimicry.

You deadass have doo doo reading comprehension.

Now I bet your gonna say Mori's copying skill is hax not skill.

Man the photographic memory comes from hax, not natural hax or skill hax it comes from her semblance AND they directly states that her semblance was the thing that allowes her to use the techniques