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What makes you think Mahito is more durable. He's literally been ganked by most attacks that hit him. And the argument was for physicals and not utilizing fully evolved Mahito.Mahito's for sure tougher than Jogo. AP-wise, I would say Jogo is ahead until Mahito fully matures.
This is all speaking of Mahito at his Max at the end of Shibuya, who Yuji could only hurt with a black flash. Yuji could harm Hanami without it and we understand that Jogo isn't as tanky as Hanami already, so the fact that Yuji couldn't harm Mahito without black flashed says a lot about his own tankiness. And its weird to argue about Mahito vs Jogo without taking into account both of them at their peaks. Cause I would agree that Mahito is below Jogo up until his final fight with Yuji and Todo in terms of physicals, but Jogo was aware of Mahito's potential which was only fully realized in that final fight.What makes you think Mahito is more durable. He's literally been ganked by most attacks that hit him. And the argument was for physicals and not utilizing fully evolved Mahito.
Oh yeah, I think evolved Mahito is a different case. Arkenis was arguing early Mahito (like pre Nanami fight) and onward.This is all speaking of Mahito at his Max at the end of Shibuya, who Yuji could only hurt with a black flash. Yuji could harm Hanami without it and we understand that Jogo isn't as tanky as Hanami already, so the fact that Yuji couldn't harm Mahito without black flashed says a lot about his own tankiness. And its weird to argue about Mahito vs Jogo without taking into account both of them at their peaks. Cause I would agree that Mahito is below Jogo up until his final fight with Yuji and Todo in terms of physicals, but Jogo was aware of Mahito's potential which was only fully realized in that final fight.
No he hasn't, he's able to kill the jujutsu world, and other characters have stated it he could kill everyone in the world, but as of right now all of that is unknown at this point, You can't stay using those statements when its been 100+ chapters since and he hasn't been involved in any of the scaling so far. But get those statements so we can look them over.I'm not sure what you are laughing at. Gojo has been stated several times to be capable of soloing the verse .
Not debating on if Mahito uses his hax a lot, I want evidence that everyone's perception on Mahito's strength is solely in reference to his hax.Yes it is, Mahito would have been ******* body bagged by Nanami without his hax are you serious? Compare that to Jogo who literally walked up and blitzed 3 grade ones who couldn't even defend against him (albeit it was an ambush). Mahito has literally relied on his regen and offensive hax throughout the whole of the manga, to the point where even tournament arc Yuuji was a threat to him at points.
You still have yet to even remotely substantiate your claim that Jogo referencing Mahito's potential has to do with his current power in that moment, so go ahead and do that.
No lol, I am joking about calcing it, but u brought it up as if it was an impressive feat when in reality what happens is Jogo gets hit by Red and gets flung by the force crashing into trees, something not impressive. Hell Mahito breaking through the ground with his big morphed attack is better than that.Why do I need to calc it so scale it? Do you think every attack has to be scaled for us to discuss where it ranks among the series?
Uhm, yes it is. I'm not sure how you would argue it was only a couple of dozen meters and I assure you, the anime will do you absolutely 0 favors in that regrd.
It completely does. your analogy isn't in the context of JJK, I'm telling you that in JJK a ton of characters when they're trying are usually serious and taking the fight serious, with Gojo we see this as well, in his fight with Toji he takes it serious, why? Toji is powerful so he actually has to try, When he fights in the train station, he's more serious, why? Because the situation requires him to take it serious and not just toy around with them. You're ignoring how they act during fights when it is a big indication on how serious they take the opponent and idk why you think its fine to do so with Gojo.No it doesn't. Gojo's attitude has no bearing on the amount of foruce he used. I can laugh all I want while squashing a spider, if the spider can sustain my weight and survive he still tanked my power.
So you think if I punch you in your stomach several times and you start spitting up blood, you tanked it? this isn't tanking to me, its called getting the shit beat out of you.No it isn't. I don't think you know what you're talking about half of the time. Go read.
It's not like that, Jogo props him up as leader because he grows stronger, Not simply because of his potential later on, there is a difference.Your argument is literally "Mahito had potential that others saw and leadership qualities therefore he is the strongest!" while anyone with basic logical skills can spot the hole in that argument and anyone who has read the series knows this is stupid.
Not doing that, I'm saying what is already shown, is enough to make Mahito leader "Mahito will continue to grow stronger, that's why you propped him up as leader" This means that what Jogo already saw in Mahito was enough to make him leader and that he will continue to grow stronger. It's like when you realize someone's power in the moment and think they should lead the group because where they are will only continue to grow.What are you talking about? The potential is recognized by what is shown yes, but that doesn't mean what is shown is = to the potential...Which is what you are claiming.
what even is high tiers to you?Ok, Gojo by portrayal is over most high tier sorcerers and was able to somewhat hurt Toji. Therefore we can scale Red to high tier offensive moves. So how easy that was?
Wow, A yuji who was weaker than when he was in Shibuya? And a Mahito who was weaker than when he was in Shibuya as well?What happens to Nanami if we replace Mahito with Jogo in their first fight?
What happens to Yuji and Nanami if they fight Jogo instead of Mahito?
Yes, I can it's very evident, and you have absolutely no counterpoints or evidence for the opposite.No he hasn't, he's able to kill the jujutsu world, and other characters have stated it he could kill everyone in the world, but as of right now all of that is unknown at this point, You can't stay using those statements when its been 100+ chapters since and he hasn't been involved in any of the scaling so far. But get those statements so we can look them over.
It is literally his main way of fighting.Not debating on if Mahito uses his hax a lot, I want evidence that everyone's perception on Mahito's strength is solely in reference to his hax.
Gojo was able to kill 99% of sorcerers with blue alone, red is specifically a more offensive version of his power. You're drunk if you think tanking a point blank red isn't impressive, especially when we've seen Gojo literally one shot curses with a baby version.No lol, I am joking about calcing it, but u brought it up as if it was an impressive feat when in reality what happens is Jogo gets hit by Red and gets flung by the force crashing into trees, something not impressive. Hell Mahito breaking through the ground with his big morphed attack is better than that.
No, I am countering your asinine point that Gojo being casual means his attacks aren't potent. Gojo is taking it easy specifically because no one is a challenge. That doesn't give you license to try and negate Jogo's feats, especially given "casual" Gojo AP output is >>> most sorcerers.It completely does. your analogy isn't in the context of JJK, I'm telling you that in JJK a ton of characters when they're trying are usually serious and taking the fight serious, with Gojo we see this as well, in his fight with Toji he takes it serious, why? Toji is powerful so he actually has to try, When he fights in the train station, he's more serious, why? Because the situation requires him to take it serious and not just toy around with them. You're ignoring how they act during fights when it is a big indication on how serious they take the opponent and idk why you think its fine to do so with Gojo.
Tanking means the ability to survive a hit and keep fighting without substantial loss to your constitution. Which is exactly what Jogo did. He was not put out of commission until Gojo mindfucked him and ripped his head off.So you think if I punch you in your stomach several times and you start spitting up blood, you tanked it? this isn't tanking to me, its called getting the shit beat out of you.
This sentence literally makes no sense. When Jogo makes that statement, he is betting on Mahito's potential for growth. He is not making a comment on his strength at the time, and his abduction of leadership was not because, Mahito in that moment was stronger, it was because of Mahito's personality in combination with his potential for growth.It's not like that, Jogo props him up as leader because he grows stronger, Not simply because of his potential later on, there is a difference.
Yes, so some unknown version of Mahito would surpass himself and the other curses. Not the Mahito standing in front of them. If you agree with this then we can stop arguing.Not doing that, I'm saying what is already shown, is enough to make Mahito leader "Mahito will continue to grow stronger, that's why you propped him up as leader" This means that what Jogo already saw in Mahito was enough to make him leader and that he will continue to grow stronger. It's like when you realize someone's power in the moment and think they should lead the group because where they are will only continue to grow.
Anyone below special grade.what even is high tiers to you?
The chapter is so good
Maki and Sukuna clashing in dbz style was
Yeah tbh I was disappointed with Maki
I also find it funny that Maki(Toji) is only relative to a Sukuna who has his cursed techniques reduced to around 10% apparently. he does say something about his physicals being okay. And Yuji's rage amp gave him power and combat/reaction speeds comparable to Maki(Toji)
Fight was clean although that Maki and Sukuna running page kinda wonky. I have thought that Gege's art is kinda decreasing.
I also find it funny that Maki(Toji) is only relative to a Sukuna who has his cursed techniques reduced to around 10% apparently. he does say something about his physicals being okay.
Yuji seemed to be lagging behind throughout the battle, she even asks him to move fasterAnd Yuji's rage amp gave him power and combat/reaction speeds comparable to Maki(Toji)
Fight was clean although that Maki and Sukuna running page kinda wonky. I have thought that Gege's art is kinda decreasing.
She did have one, just didn't use it, there seems to be a reason tho, machine TLs are confusingYeah tbh I was disappointed with Maki
Even though Maki didnt have her weapons/swords as well but that still didnt like that
Yuji seemed to be lagging behind throughout the battle, she even asks him to move faster
Maybe but I'm only talking about his combat and reaction speed, since he's throwing punches and reacting to Sukuna comparable her, especially when he gets thrown by her at her fast speeds and is able to throw a kick at the same time.
Can you elaborate further?I mean, Gege said long ago that Sukuna isn't trying to regain his strength by eating the fingers, so even if we assumed the power up from each finger is the same, it isn't necessarily true that Sukuna had the power of 1.5 finger while fighting Maki and Yuji right? Megumi once compared Toji to a 3 fingers Sukuna which also confirms this
No I'm saying that he was using 10% but his 10% isn't exactly 1.5 finger level, like 10% =/= 15 fingers/10.Can you elaborate further?
Are you trying to say Sukuna's current power should be around his 3F self and not 10% of 15 cause of Megumi's statement?
Found out the reason Maki didn't use her Soul Hax Blade is cause she doubts RCT can Regen Soul Damage and for Megumi's sake she refrained from attacking with it
No I'm saying that he was using 10% but his 10% isn't exactly 1.5 finger level, like 10% =/= 15 fingers/10.
My reason is that Sukuna was constantly getting stronger day by day and Gege himself said Gojo was wrong when he said Sukuna is trying to regain his power by eating the fingers, which is supported by Megumi comparing Toji who is at Maki's level to 3f's Sukuna (and that was based on Toji's raw strength alone)
Wont change anything since Maki and 10% Sukuna were around the same level of speed,
The Toji 3F statement was about speed, not power
where is the 1.5 coming fromWont change anything since Maki and 10% Sukuna were around the same level of speed,
Which also proves that current 10% Sukuna is > than 3 f's from that time
-> meaning Sukuna isnt actually 1.5 finger level right?
I've seen many people since the spoilers came out saying that since this Sukuna is only at 10% then he is 1.5 finger level lolwhere is the 1.5 coming from
That....or 10% of 15 Finger Sukuna is superior to his 3 Finger self, yes Sukuna's Fingers get stronger, but that's for the fingers outside Yuuji not in him.Which also proves that current 10% Sukuna is > than 3 f's from that time
-> meaning Sukuna isnt actually 1.5 finger level right? [/ISPOILER]
Where did Gege say that? Was it in the fanbook?No I'm saying that he was using 10% but his 10% isn't exactly 1.5 finger level, like 10% =/= 15 fingers/10.
My reason is that Sukuna was constantly getting stronger day by day and Gege himself said Gojo was wrong when he said Sukuna is trying to regain his power by eating the fingers, which is supported by Megumi comparing Toji who is at Maki's level to 3f's Sukuna (and that was based on Toji's raw strength alone)
So Sukuna current 10% atm shouldn't necessarily be = Sukuna with the power of 1.5 fingers or like BoS Sukuna
Didn't Yuji say that he feels Sukuna is getting stronger day by day inside him?That....or 10% of 15 Finger Sukuna is superior to his 3 Finger self, yes Sukuna's Fingers get stronger, but that's for the fingers outside Yuuji not in him.
Yeah in the Q&A of Sukuna's pageWhere did Gege say that? Was it in the fanbook?
Q: Gojo said that "Itadori is also a detector to search for Sukuna's fingers." Was his statement accurate?
A: The only thing he was wrong about was predicting that Sukuna was trying to regain his power by gathering other fingers.
No, don't recall thatDidn't Yuji say that he feels Sukuna is getting stronger day by day inside him?
Yeah ((I have thought that Gege's art is kinda decreasing.
NoThe only one who might be on Yutas level imo is Kashimo
its prob just blue. Jogo did same thing when he got punched.Btw I was reading this, iirc in the anime Sukuna said: "he is unbelievably fast? No that's not it"
However here he says no its not just that.
Which one is correct? Cuz the first one implies that Sukuna doesn't think Gojo is fast but he understood that 1) he is the one who gets slower the more he gets closer. Or 2) Gojo was teleporting, while the manga one imply that it isn't only his speed that's unbelievable, there another thing or sth like that