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Whole Cake Island Scaling Revision

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I mean if we're going to just ignore Base Luffy clashing with Katakuri's power mochi fists (among other feats) which are rated at 6-B then that's on you guys. I'm too busy to handle this.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Do you know (or can you call) any other OP knowledgeable member to call to further evaluate this revision as well as to help me determinate the new scaling?
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Just kinda revert back the changes to this and keep references/statistics?

Based of your reasonings the scaling makes no sense to me personally so I can't really help much with what you're trying to do
 
Cant luffy scale to his previous gear 3rd given he performs better than that version of him against kat?
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Just kinda revert back the changes to this and keep references/statistics?
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More like that version of Luffy would just upscale to this statistics.

Beside that there is also to re-adjusted all other characters who upscale/scale to Early Wano/Post WCI Base Luffy like Ulti and Katakuri.

And i also would like to discuss about if still make sense to keep Fifth Emperor of the Sea Key and Whole Cake Island Key separated or it we should merge them.
 
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And i also would like to discuss about if still make sense to keep Fifth Emperor of the Sea Key and Whole Cake Island Key separated or it we should merge them.
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Merging them would probably be best, I guess.
 
because his profile would be too cluttered i assume
 
Nierre said:
because his profile would be too cluttered i assume
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Beside the different stats the two keys/profiles are so similar that keeping them both of them would be somewhat redundant.

Before It made sense with the original upscaling, but now its debunked so the two would have little to no difference.
 
And a bit of a personal note unrelated to the CRT, i also never vibed with Luffy (Emperor) having keys for Fifth Emperor of the Sea and Post Udon.

Considering that only after unlocking Advance Conqueror Haki and Gear 5th he actually reach the same league of power as other Emperors, i Always felt off about including versions where Luffy its still outclassed by Kaido and Big Mom.

Personally if it was up to me Post Whole Cake Island to Pre ACoC should be in his Post Timeskip profile, leaving the rest to his Emperor profile which could be the equivalent of Naruto War Arc or Deku Final Act.

Especially when its possible that Luffy would get further Power Ups which would requid adding further keys.
 
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"Fifth Emperor of the Sea" is a stupid key name. Just name it "End of WCI". He was the Fifth Emperor of the Sea when he put Kaido into the mantle of the earth.
Stefano4444 said:
Beside the different stats the two keys/profiles are so similar that keeping them both of them would be somewhat redundant.

Before It made sense with the original upscaling, but now its debunked so the two would have little to no difference.
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Every stat of Luffy during that part of the arc increased.
His Armament was growing throughout the fight for fighting for 11 hours nonstop to where it'd be ludicrous to say he was the same strength.
His Gear 3rd was matching large awakening hits that were dominating his Gear 3rd and even Gear 4th Bounceman prior.
His base fared even better than his Gear 2nd was after a while.
On top of that he now has better Observation as well.

This was damn near a training arc for Luffy to where he increased over the fight. I disagree with the current "he's stronger than his previous Gear 4th", that's bs, but saying he's the damn same as prior is insane
 
Question, since Rooftop Base Luffy does upscale to his previous Whole Cake Island Base Luffy by some notable margin, its that enough for him to be baseline Large Island level?
 
Stefano4444 said:
Question, since Rooftop Base Luffy does upscale to his previous Whole Cake Island Base Luffy by some notable margin, its that enough for him to be baseline Large Island level?
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Unfortunately the gap is too wide from the upscaled value
 
Ok, now i have another question.

I noticed that the Rooftop encapsulates Luffy from the beginning of the raid up until he was knocked out into the sea by Kaido. But now that I think about it, this feels really arbitrary and illogical. Why exactly was it divided that way? There isn't any indication that he suddenly became massively stronger after that. It’s not like a few chapters earlier, where—after getting knocked out again—he ended up unlocking Advanced Conqueror's Haki and started clashing with Kaido alone.

If anything, it would have made more sense for the Post Udon to only cover Luffy after his training at Udon but before he unlocked Advanced Conqueror's Haki, and then have End of Onigashima Raid (if we want to keep the name) for Luffy after unlocking it until the actual end of the raid.

Also why we have Conqueror's Haki Infusion as separated to Base Luffy during Rooftop, but then in End of Onigashima Raid we do have Base Luffy directly scaling to his own Conqueror's Haki Infusion as they are the same? And even that only at Multi-Continent level while before its was Small Planetar level.
 
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Stefano4444 said:
Ok, now i have another question.

I noticed that the Rooftop encapsulates Luffy from the beginning of the raid up until he was knocked out into the sea by Kaido. But now that I think about it, this feels really arbitrary and illogical. Why exactly was it divided that way? There isn't any indication that he suddenly became massively stronger after that. It’s not like a few chapters earlier, where—after getting knocked out again—he ended up unlocking Advanced Conqueror's Haki and started clashing with Kaido alone.

If anything, it would have made more sense for the Post Udon to only cover Luffy after his training at Udon but before he unlocked Advanced Conqueror's Haki, and then have End of Onigashima Raid (if we want to keep the name) for Luffy after unlocking it until the actual end of the raid.

Also why we have Conqueror's Haki Infusion as separated to Base Luffy during Rooftop, but then in End of Onigashima Raid we do have Base Luffy directly scaling to his own Conqueror's Haki Infusion as they are the same? And even that only at Multi-Continent level while before its was Small Planetar level.
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I feel like you're now derailing from the threads actual proposal, stick with that for now and make another crt or ask in the general discussion thread instead of here
 
I guess we are ignoring gear 3rd luffy clashing with awakening? Which is literally in the same sandbox...
up to Large Island level with Gear 3rd (Briefly clashed evenly with a large Mochi strike from Katakuri), Country level with Gear 4th: Snakeman (At least 4x stronger than his Gear 3rd thanks to the compressive strength of Gear 4th. Fought and matched Katakuri blow for blow), higher with Gear 4th: Boundman (Much stronger than Gear 3rd. Momentarily overpowered Charlotte Katakuri and damaged him through his Armament Haki defense), far higher with Strongest Attacks (Stronger than his Leo Bazooka, which is twice as strong as his standard Gear 4th: Boundman attacks)
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Country level (As "the perfect man," Katakuri is considered to be the Charlotte family's greatest masterpiece and the strongest of the 3 Sweet Commanders, making him far superior to Cracker and Smoothie. Could easily harm Luffy through his Armament Haki defense, to the point to cause him pain when clashing. Clashed evenly with Gear 4th: Snakeman Luffy, overwhelming his Haki defense throughout the battle), higher with Buzz Cut Mochi (Knocked Gear 4th: Snakeman Luffy out for 10 minutes after hitting him with it twice), far higher with Awakening (Dealt severe damage to Gear 4th: Boundman Luffy with his Power Mochi fists)
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The scaling makes no sense but 🤷‍♂️
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
I guess we are ignoring gear 3rd luffy clashing with awakening?
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That was the only instance where Luffy briefly matched Katakuri's Awakening, and Future Sight did help Luffy counter it in the moment—though i must admit that Future Sight can only do so much without sufficient strength to defense.

I can concede that this feat could be legitimate; however, it doesn't prove that Luffy in Gear Third was already equal to Katakuri—especially considering that Katakuri later ended up matching Snakeman in both power and speed for an extended period.

And while Snakeman's AP is inferior to Boundman, they haven't treated as be in completely different leagues that they are not comparable. So Snakeman should still scale somewhat below Boundman, meaning it would still be exceed either Gear Second or Gear Third in terms of both raw speed and strength.

Unless you can prove that Gear 3rd's AP > Snakeman's AP, Luffy in that form would only scale at 'At most Country level' scaling around baseline.
 
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Stefano4444 said:
considering that Katakuri later ended up matching Snakeman in both power and speed for an extended period.
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Wasn't Awakening
Stefano4444 said:
Luffy in that form would only scale at 'At most Country level' scaling around baseline.
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that makes no sense at all. You scale base katakuri as country level and his Awakening far Higher (Overpowering Boundman) and yet gear 3rd fully clashed against it equally

Either Gear 3rd is above gear 4 (which makes no sense) or Luffy became much stronger during the fight (Which is narratively what it was all about)

What could work is... Past Gear 4 boundman < Gear 3rd luffy ~ Awakening Katakuri (At least Country lvl) and then scale < Gear 4th snakeman ~< end of fight Katakuri. Basically both Katakuri and Snakeman scale above gear 3rd and past Awakening at the end of the fight (both Luffy and Katakuri getting stronger) while new gear 4th boundman scales above them

At least Island level+ (Stronger than before), higher with Gear 2nd (Stronger than his previous Gear 2nd), up to At least Country level with Gear 3rd (Clashed evenly with an Awakening Power Mochi strike from Katakuri, which overpowered past Gear 4th: Boundman), higher with Gear 4th: Snakeman (Fought and held his own against Katakuri blow for blow at the end of the fight), far higher with Gear 4th: Boundman (At least 4x stronger than his Gear 3rd thanks to the compressive strength of Gear 4th. Overpowered Charlotte Katakuri's Armament Haki defense), even higher with Strongest Attacks (Stronger than his Leo Bazooka, which is twice as strong as his standard Gear 4th: Boundman attacks)
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At least Country level (As "the perfect man," Katakuri is considered to be the Charlotte family's greatest masterpiece and the strongest of the 3 Sweet Commanders, making him far superior to Cracker and Smoothie. Could easily harm Luffy through his Armament Haki defense, to the point to cause him pain when clashing. Clashed evenly with Gear 4th: Snakeman Luffy, overwhelming his Haki defense throughout the battle), far higher with Awakening (Dealt severe damage to Gear 4th: Boundman Luffy with his Power Mochi fists), even higher with Buzz Cut Mochi (Completely overpowered Gear 4th: Snakeman Luffy, hitting him with it twice for the need of rest)
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Basically something like this but with better explanation and grammar (Also adding Snakeman < King Cobra attack)
 
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Anyway if we are going to have Gear 3rd Luffy reaching 6-B, wouldn't make all Tobiroppo 6-B too since Page One survived an attack from Gear 3rd, at least in their Zoan Forms?

And of course their AP/Striking Strength too since they can fight characters who can harm/damage them in their Zoan Form.

That by default would also affect Jinbe, Franky, Robin, Brook, Apoo and Charlotte Perospero scaling. As well as Zoro and Sanji before their power up.
 
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