Now time to tackle this:
From what I understand in this blog, you are claiming that there is a hyper-timeline (second temporal dimension) because there are mentions of a phenomena similar to time at work even after the universe has ran through all of its time?
To be honest, I don't find this to be convincing evidence for a hyper-timeline.
The "time" it is referenced in the scans seems to just be an illusion or perception of time passing for the character stranded in the void after the end of time.
Your support for that part about it being an illusion? Because it's also said that the Universe was not destroyed even after the destruction of the space-time continuum. And the "time" after the continuum was destroyed flowed, ending when the world came to an end.
That ultimately means that this higher form of Time is tied to the "Universe" that's beyond the space-time continuum.
Also, "illusory time" in that sense would never end, as a being will continue to perceive as long as they exist. Their mental clock will keep going. Yet Ciel clearly said Time passed yet also "Time ended/ceased to flow" at the end of the Universe. That clearly implies it's not simply perception based.
And I feel that the assumption of a timeless void necessitating a higher timeline if there is still a phenomena similar to time passing to be pretty silly.
There isn't even any other evidence to suggest it. Just the one scan of it being said that someone arrives at the end after the universe and it's space-time are destroyed.
That alone is enough evidence to suggest it. Rimuru himself questioned Ciel when she said "
arrived" at the end of the world. And from then on Ciel explained how even after the space-time continuum as a whole was destroyed, the "Universe" was not.
The fact that a higher structure exists beyond the space-time continuum, that only ends when its own notion of time ends, is all the more reason to assume it's a hyper-timeline.
Plus the fact that Chloe can use a "Time travel" ability to travel between timelines/world-lines is all the more reason to assume there's a higher time at play.
To me the much more believable assumption is that these characters and entities can operate inside a void, because that's simply how the author wrote the work.
Since when does it say it's a Void? The scans clearly say they "
wandered in the universe and watched its end AFTER the space-time continuum was destroyed", not some void.
I can't imagine that the standards on the wiki on this kind of thing are so loose. I'd definitely disagree with 5-D hypertime just based on that miniscule amount of evidence.
Why don't you first read the standards instead of simply basing those standards on your own assumption? From the FAQ, sure, we have this:
Neither would dimensions that are timeless voids or are described as beyond spacetime in general qualify. Unless they contradict themselves, these realms should not have a time dimension at all, with change in them happening according to other principles. If they, on the other hand, do contradict themselves, the statement of them not having regular time would inherently not be reliable, making the idea equally unusable.
But the Universe was never called a timeless void. Unless you're mistaking "Beyond Time and Space" to the "End of Time and Space", at which point it's more so a problem with your understanding of the narrative rather than anything else.
Regardless, other than the above quote, the FAQ also says this at the same time in the same section:
Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created / destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction.
And this is precisely what happened here, a Time that exists after the timeline has been destroyed. Thus, it can't flow in the same direction.
I similarly disagree with 6-D hypertime based on Rimuru's Time Warp ability. The time warp ability is described as being able to transcend time and space. And based on the context, this just seems to mean that Rimuru can ignore the fact that time no longer passes. Effectively giving him a dimensional travel ability that is simply superior to time travel via not requiring time.
I completely disagree with the notion that this ability necessitates there being yet another higher timeline.
Regardless, that itself means the ability works on a higher sort of time axis since he uses it to "travel to the past", and not some other dimensions. So your argument falls apart from the moment you called it merely a dimensional travel ability.
Sure, it can do that, but it can also time travel "from a point the world (as a hyper timeline) was destroyed to a point it wasn't".
There's also the fact that I haven't given this 6D time a name, and rather just use an ability to indicate its existence. Because this isn't ever shown other than in this case, thus we can't use it to scale any other character, and the only choice is to call it some power inherent to the skill itself.
That's why this would only give range at the moment, unless a knowledgeable staff says it can qualify for something else too.
So yeah, there's no proper logical reasoning behind your disagreement other than appeal to tradition (saying it can just be a void and the characters can "just" work in that) or appeal to belief from all of your "I believe" or "I can't imagine" when the standards say otherwise, quite literally.
Appeal to authority? My opinion has nothing to do with what other staff members thought a year ago.
And from the looks of it, those three staff were:
- Elizhaa
- DarkDragonMedeus
- Antvasima
Acceptable, sure, but all three of those staff members aren't exactly known for giving more than a cursory glance over CRTs because of the sheer amount of threads in their backlogs. That isn't to say their opinions aren't valid, but rather that I don't think they looked into this stuff as thoroughly as they probably should've.
Antvasima in particular just came in at the end and said that your summary of your own proposals looked fine. He didn't even exactly read through the thread or its content.
So, yeah, not really a great first line of defense there. I'll see what you say in your response though.
There's also the fact that in the past, the reason why Low 1-C Light Novel was accepted was also based on the reasoning that the "Timeline/space-time continuum was destroyed, yet time still flowed". Regardless, of whether that such a claim actually happened in the LN or not per the current cosmology page, the fact that such a reasoning was
accepted to begin with, is note worthy, especially when it was accepted by
Qawsedf, one of the most knowledgeable among the staff when it comes to Time dimensions.
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