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Garou vs Reinhard (15-5-1)

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  • Post-Sage Centipede Garou is being used (High 6-A+)
  • Both 20 meters away from each other.
  • Speed Equal.
  • Both have a certain amount of prior knowledge (They both know the opponent is a "very skilled martial artist" but nothing more related to it + Garou knows Reinhard can resurrect)
  • Reinhard's 5-C sword is restricted (because of EE)
  • SBA for the rest.
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Garou: 15 (MrTayman, DaReaperMan, Arkansalter, GodzillavsRayquaza, Harith0Cell, Phoenks, DavidTPPM, Raiden38, Kachon, EL_xWatcher1234, XSOULOFCINDERX, RM97, Catbowie, Delusionaltx2, Crimsonobu)

Reinhard: 5 (Castorice, DarkSoul, Satella, MasterOwOgay, Epiccheev)

Subaru: 1 (Ebihara)
 
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MrTayman616 said:
Reinhard can heal.
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I dont think High-Low is healing brain damage, or severed limbs.
MrTayman616 said:
Not to mention there is hundreds to thousands times of difference in AP.
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Garou upscales from 18 exatons, right? Reinhard scales to 27 exatons, a 1.5x difference. Unless Im missing something.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Garou upscales from 18 exatons, right? Reinhard scales to 27 exatons, a 1.5x difference. Unless Im missing something.
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Oh you're using the "likely" version, ok. There is two High 6-A version of Garou after all 😅

Does Reinhard have any other sword or anything? (Wondering if he can use his sword slash to cut space :d)
 
Even if he has another sword, it gets disintegrated after 1 good swing. Not that it matters so much since he can use the dragon sword to block attacks, and its indestructible even against durability ignoring stuff, and use random stuff like chopsticks or metal pipes, though i don't remember if he can use space cutting with those, just that he can draw out all their potential so it will be like some legendary weapon.

I think we have to address the elephant in the room that always comes out with top tier Re Zero skill demons, rain dodging, how long before Garou can actually hit Reinhard?
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
I think we have to address the elepant in the room if top tier Re Zero skill demons, rain dodging, how long before Garou can hit Reinhard?
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That kind of skill is insane, how can someone not get wet inside the water.

Garou's RE would allow him to reach speeds enough to blitz Reinhard within a very short time. His skill is insane but we know Reinhard can get hit from things faster than himself. Even considering the AP difference, it should be lethal if he succeeds to hit(I don't mean kill, but should be good enough to incapacitate, destroying his insides just to the point where wouldn't die. It's in character as well since he tried to do the exact same thing to Saitama).
 
Also there is absurd processing ability/perception speed, Cecilus who is comparable to Reinhard can spend days training in his mind, with not even a second passing in reality, so Reinhard has lots of time to make plans, plus bs intuition where he can instantly figure out an opponents ability after seeing it once, and basically always choose the correct action, like not doing something which can harm/kill him, despite not knowing about the danger, dodge invisible attacks he doesn't even know from where they are coming, find and kill someone who is masterminding the destruction of a whole country, when nobody even knows that what was even going on, or one of my personal favorites recognizing someone he was fighting before as being the same person, despite their appearance and soul changing.

Basically no tricks will work, intuition will get him out of it, and even against something he has no idea is going on, or from where it's coming from, he will find the source of it, and or dodge via intuition.
 
We haven't even gotten to the meat of the skill arguments. This is still early, let the Garou guys have a chance to argue.

8 year old Emilia can dodge perception blitzing attacks via analytical prediction, that's her without any real training, which every martial artist in verse can do, with even magicians like Roswaal being able to predict invisible attacks done out of sync with the castor's breathing and gaze. We could even get into eternity arguments, that while Garou is a very skilled martial artist, Sword Saints are the pinnacle of martial arts, which can't even be reached with an eternity of training, and that's Theresia level stuff, who is far far inferior to Reinhard.

But yea I think mostly I will just provide neat info about Reinhard here and there, I think other Re Zero guys are more into the skill slop than I am.
 
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Celestial_Pegasus said:
Also there is absurd processing ability/perception speed, Cecilus who is comparable to Reinhard can speed days training in his mind, with not even a second passing in really, so Reinhard has lots of time to make plans.
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I honestly believe that's more of a Cecilus thing rather than it being only skill related. I don't think them being comparable in sword skill etc implies that Reinhard can do these. Not to mention, Reinhard's fights don't even imply this kind of perception skill from him.
Celestial_Pegasus said:
or one of my personal favorites recognizing someone he was fighting before as being the same person, despite their appearance and soul changing.
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I think that's the least impressive one out of everything you said :d
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Basically no tricks will work, intuition will get him out of it, and even against something he has no idea is going on, or from where it's coming from, he will find the source of it, and or dodge via intuition.
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Regulus's breath, Alderaban's oxygen method

While he does make the right choices, Reinhard is shown to be caught unguarded by attacks and methods he's not aware of. (Or maybe it's air related lol)

Oh just in case, i wanna make it clear. I'm not claiming Garou is comparable to Reinhard in skill or anything like that 😅

Though OPM martial arts has their own capabilities as well that can help Garou at some level*
 
MrTayman616 said:
I honestly believe that's more of a Cecilus thing rather than it being only skill related. I don't think them being comparable in sword skill etc implies that Reinhard can do these. Not to mention, Reinhard's fights don't even imply this kind of perception skill from him.
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Understandable since Reinhard's perspective is a spoiler, though we have seen a little of it. But yea what Ceci does is extreme body control and perception manipulation, we have seen less skilled people like Wilhelm slowing down his perception to perceive Theresia's attack in slow motion, heck even Garfiel can do this, all against ppl equally as fast as themselves, though obviously nowhere even close to being as extreme as Ceci
MrTayman616 said:
I think that's the least impressive one out of everything you said :d
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I said my personal fav, not most impressive lol
MrTayman616 said:
Regulus's breath, Alderaban's oxygen method

While he does make the right choices, Reinhard is shown to be caught unguarded by attacks and methods he's not aware of. (Or maybe it's air related lol)
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I didn't say he is untouchable lol. Regulus attacks are authority based, which are now conceptual shenanigans, so took him a little to get use to from memory next time it happened he dodged,, as for Al I suppose air isn't consider something hostile normally, and he has an insane capacity for oxygen anyway, but yea Reinhard is damn good, not untouchable.
 
MrTayman616 said:
Does Reinhard have any other sword or anything? (Wondering if he can use his sword slash to cut space :d)
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He can only unsheathe his sword against an opponent his sword deems worthy.

Otherwise, he whacks his opponent with his sword sheathed, picks up a random sword, or fights hand to hand. The space-cutting feat is done through a random sword he picked up.

 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
I didn't say he is untouchable lol. Regulus attacks are authority based, which are now conceptual shenanigans, so took him a little to get use to from memory next time it happened he dodged,, as for Al I suppose air isn't consider something hostile normally, and he has an insane capacity for oxygen anyway, but yea Reinhard is damn good, not untouchable.
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I kinda just have chalk the Al fight up to Reinhard being in his worst possible condition. It doesn't make sense otherwise. Cecilus literally just had a much more impressive showing a little bit more than two volumes before.
 
Ebihara said:
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Re:Zero: Warriors and The Flow Method

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Relevant reading for those not familiar with rezero slop
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This is severely outdated, but I have no time to update, there was a more accurate one on another vs website, it was posted in the Re Zero discussion thread.

Even Elsa had some insane skill feats from all the side stories, but would have to go looking for the link.
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
He can only unsheathe his sword against an opponent his sword deems worthy.

Otherwise, he whacks his opponent with his sword sheathed, picks up a random sword, or fights hand to hand. The space-cutting feat is done through a random sword he picked up.

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I know. I just wanted to know if he'd be using any random sword since it includes spatial cut.
Celestial_Pegasus said:
I didn't see he is untouchable lol. Regulus attacks are authority based, which are now conceptual shenanigans, so took him a little to get use to, as for Al I suppose air isn't consider something hostile normally, and he has an insane capacity for oxygen anyway, but yea Reinhard is damn good, not untouchable.
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Isn't it still failing to understand enemy's plan etc :d

Though of course i'm not claiming he sucks at it or anything lol, or why am i even reading the entire series over and over :d
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Understandable since Reinhard's perspective is a spoiler, though we have seen a little of it. But yea what Ceci does is extreme body control and perception manipulation, we have seen less skilled people like Wilhelm slowing down his perception to perceive Theresia's attack in slow motion, heck even Garfiel can do this, though obviously nowhere even close to being as extreme as Ceci
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Of course he can do something like that. But what Cecilus did is on an entirely different realm, not even just perception related.
VortechsTG said:
I kinda just have chalk the Al fight up to Reinhard being in his worst possible condition. It doesn't make sense otherwise. Cecilus literally just had a much more impressive showing a little bit more than two volumes before.
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Cecilus is the goat.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
This is severely outdated, but I have no time to update, there was a more accurate one on another vs website, it was posted in the Re Zero discussion thread.

Even Elsa had some insane skill feats from all the side stories, but would have to go looking for the link.
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Can we mark it as outdated then? I see it posted good amount still.
 
Epiccheev said:
Both heavily blessed by their universe's respective gods + mastery of flow
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Reinhard is allowed to get divine protection from Od Lagna mid battle.

Why can't this version of Garou get help from God, he did it in the series d:
 
VortechsTG said:
I kinda just have chalk the Al fight up to Reinhard being in his worst possible condition. It doesn't make sense otherwise. Cecilus literally just had a much more impressive showing a little bit more than two volumes before.
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Right forgot that too, Reinhard was in his worse possible condition, and even against a time looper who did like a 100,000 loops (forgot the number), trying to defeat him, Reinhard still "won" even with his arms damaged, and fighting another top tier.

Imagine if he was in normal condition

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Ebihara said:
Can we mark it as outdated then? I see it posted good amount still.
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Done.

The information there isn't wrong really, just that it was made during my arc 7 binge, and we have learned a lot more since then, so it's just missing a lot more newer stuff from the newer arcs, plus I still need to go through all side stories.

As I have been saying, if anyone wants to create a newer one with all the newer info, go again, Zab seems to be adding stuff to individual profiles, but it all needs to be compiled in 1 place at some point. Maybe even the Flow Method can have it's own power page at some point too.
 
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