Sasuke vs Shigaraki(13-3-0) GRACE is end

[Arcker123]

What "concession", you havent shown anything, Im just saying that even if it was, how the hell does it help Sasuke's situation

I claim A4 was a perception blitz faster
You disputed that
I provide example from the manga
You concede and move onto a separate argument

.

The point is that even if i granted Shiggy being able to perception bltiz Sasuke. Defensive enton kills any chance Shiggy can actually do something with that.

What??
We just making up definitions now? What is a "mental blitz"???

Terms, not definitions. I didn't attempt to define anything. I just used a term you weren't aware of prior.

There is a difference between being faster to the point your enemies eyes cant track you, and being faster to where your enemy can't even think.

Good luck burning the wide area of the ground around himself to desperately try and stop spread of Decay

Amaterasu has burned mountains before. Wouldn't be that hard.

Voting Sasuke. Genjutsu and Enton pretty much kill anything Shigarkincan do

 

[Mommyleona]

I claim A4 was a perception blitz faster

Prove it

I provide example from the manga

You didnt

You concede and move onto a separate argument

No, I simply want to know the significance of this example. "Oh wow look, Sasuke was perception blitzed before". Like huh? Elaborate how this matters

Defensive enton kills any chance Shiggy can actually do something with that.

It doesnt, its percep blitz, sasuke dies to decay

Terms, not definitions. I didn't attempt to define anything. I just used a term you weren't aware of prior.

There is no such term on the wiki or at all

ere is a difference between being faster to the point your enemies eyes cant track you, and being faster to where your enemy can't even think.

First is reaction blitz, or normal blitz, second is exactly what perception blitz is LOL

Amaterasu has burned mountains before. Wouldn't be that hard.

Example? In how much time? As far as i remember it takes time to even burn trees

 

[DavidTPPM]

Can someone show me Shigarakis danger sense being so precise it tells him to avoid eye contact specifically even before the opponent uses genjutsu? Or anything similar to that?

First is reaction blitz, or normal blitz, second is exactly what perception blitz is LOL

A normal blitz is just striking someone faster than they can physically react.
A perceptions blitz is moving so fast your opponents eyes can't track you.
A mental blitz is moving so fast your opponent can't even think before you strike them.

Sasuke was pretty much perception blitzed and statued by Ay.
Which is also good to point out for the speed diff. Yeah Sasuke only has 1c speed on paper but he HEAVILY upscales from it.
With Susanoo he can intercept unstable Juubito who completely blitzed kcm1 Naruto who can completely blitz Ay4 who basically statued MS Sasuke who's baseline 1c.
So yeah Shigaraki may have a small speed advantage on paper but in practice Sasuke scales several massive blitz tiers above his value.

 

[Machmatej]

Regarding the speed, Shigaraki also significantly upscales his own value without amps.

But I'm more curious as to how Genjutsu is accepted to work here. If it's just illusions, then Shigaraki can just see through them via Search. If it's an attack on the central nervous system to manipulate the 5 senses, then Shigaraki's body control and AFO's presence should be able to snap him out of it.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Regarding the speed, Shigaraki also significantly upscales his own value without amps.

But I'm more curious as to how Genjutsu is accepted to work here. If it's just illusions, then Shigaraki can just see through them via Search. If it's an attack on the central nervous system to manipulate the 5 senses, then Shigaraki's body control and AFO's presence should be able to snap him out of it.

Little mistake here, genjutsu manipluates all six senses and the soul + mind

 

[Mommyleona]

A normal blitz is just striking someone faster than they can physically react.
A perceptions blitz is moving so fast your opponents eyes can't track you.
A mental blitz is moving so fast your opponent can't even think before you strike them.

No, perception is specifically defined as thoughts/ability to process information, so blitzing perception means before you can even think, how does that even help if he can't perceive what's happening either way?

Sasuke was pretty much perception blitzed and statued by Ay.

Yeah exactly.. even a single finger landing means death

With Susanoo he can intercept unstable Juubito who completely blitzed kcm1 Naruto who can completely blitz Ay4 who basically statued MS Sasuke who's baseline 1c.
So yeah Shigaraki may have a small speed advantage on paper but in practice Sasuke scales several massive blitz tiers above his value.

Shigaraki also upscales from his value as said by mach, and with amps he reaches 2 perception blitz above that (matching gearshift and fa jin, and even almost danger sense)
And Susanoo just gets decayed instantly out of the way, if its touching sasuke's body like armor, then he also gets decayed

 

[Machmatej]

Little mistake here, genjutsu manipluates all six senses and the soul + mind

My bad, it's been a while since I watched Naruto. But I don't think genjutsu works, then.

• Shigaraki's body control and adaptation should prevent his senses from getting overpowered.
• He doesn't need to see, as Search would always keep track of Sasuke's soul and scan for weaknesses in his attacks.
• Attacks on the soul wouldn't work either, because Shigaraki has a massive black mass surrounding his soul's world that prevents anyone from interacting with it without a special attack that could break through, and even there's multiple souls inside his body that can be sacrificed instead of his own.
• There's also All For One lingering inside his head, who has means of ejecting people from the soul world and preventing Shigaraki from getting touched.
• And iirc, immense pain can also snap someone out of a genjutsu. Shigaraki should be able to damage himself on the inside by attacking his own soul or the other vestiges inside of him. The damages would get transferred into the real world, and that should snap him out of it.

If Shigaraki gets caught in a genjutsu at all (which is questionable), he has means of getting himself out, so he'll shut his eyes or shapeshift into an eyeless form and just use Search to track Sasuke's soul instead of his body. He can still fight without needing to see.

edit: Mental attacks can also be shaved off as Shigaraki can fight back against possession attempts which attack his willpower and mental state, and even fill his mind with illusions to further break his mental wellbeing.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

My bad, it's been a while since I watched Naruto. But I don't think genjutsu works, then.

• Shigaraki's body control and adaptation should prevent his senses from getting overpowered.
• He doesn't need to see, as Search would always keep track of Sasuke's soul and scan for weaknesses in his attacks.
• Attacks on the soul wouldn't work either, because Shigaraki has a massive black mass surrounding his soul's world that prevents anyone from interacting with it without a special attack that could break through, and even there's multiple souls inside his body that can be sacrificed instead of his own.
• There's also All For One lingering inside his head, who has means of ejecting people from the soul world and preventing Shigaraki from getting touched.
• And iirc, immense pain can also snap someone out of a genjutsu. Shigaraki should be able to damage himself on the inside by attacking his own soul or the other vestiges inside of him. The damages would get transferred into the real world, and that should snap him out of it.

If Shigaraki gets caught in a genjutsu at all (which is questionable), he has means of getting himself out, so he'll shut his eyes or shapeshift into an eyeless form and just use Search to track Sasuke's soul instead of his body. He can still fight without needing to see.

edit: Mental attacks can also be shaved off as Shigaraki can fight back against possession attempts which attack his willpower and mental state, and even fill his mind with illusions to further break his mental wellbeing.

It’s layered, unless you got
Layered power null it ain’t working

 

[DavidTPPM]

No, perception is specifically defined as thoughts/ability to process information, so blitzing perception means before you can even think,

Did you actually read the thing you sent? The very first sentence says
"Perception speed refers to a character's ability to quickly process and understand sensory information. "

That aside it doesn't really matter. This is just pointless semantics given we've explained what was meant by Arcker.

how does that even help if he can't perceive what's happening either way?

Because he doesn't need to see Shigaraki to know he should surround himself with amaterasu. That's literally what he did against Ay which is way Arcker was trying to tell you.

Yeah exactly.. even a single finger landing means death

?

Shigaraki also upscales from his value as said by mach,

Vaguely upscaling and upscaling by like 3 damn near statue tier blitzes is a big difference.

and with amps he reaches 2 perception blitz above that (matching gearshift and fa jin, and even almost danger sense)

So, about relative to Sasuke? Maybe even slower than susanoo.

And Susanoo just gets decayed instantly out of the way,

Sasuke can and does cover his susanoo in kagetsuchi.
And Sasukes susanoo can move Sasukes own body out of harms way

if its touching sasuke's body like armor, then he also gets decayed

It's not. Would look badass if it did but it's more like a spiritual kaiju floating around him.

Also you didn't show me Shigarakis danger sense being precise and potent enough to instantly tell him he should avoid eye contact.

 

[Apotheosis69]

You should change the OP to English

 

[DavidTPPM]

My bad, it's been a while since I watched Naruto. But I don't think genjutsu works, then.

• Shigaraki's body control and adaptation should prevent his senses from getting overpowered.

Why/how? Especially given saucer here has layered genjutsu.

• He doesn't need to see, as Search would always keep track of Sasuke's soul and scan for weaknesses in his attacks.

Genjutsu isn't just illusions that hide you from the opponent. It can also be straight up mind control.
And even with purely illusionary genjustu, Sasukes go-to move is to create an illusion of you being paralyzed, which stops you from moving altogether. So it wouldn't matter if Shigi can track his souls, he'd have no way of actually utilizing it.

• Attacks on the soul wouldn't work either, because Shigaraki has a massive black mass surrounding his soul's world that prevents anyone from interacting with it without a special attack that could break through, and even there's multiple souls inside his body that can be sacrificed instead of his own.

Different soul hax require different soul resistances. Just because the mass can protect him from soul damage doesn't mean it can stop soul control and illusions.
Same way having a physical mass/aura surrounding your body can protect you from physical attacks but doesn't necessarily protect you from mind/soul hax.

• There's also All For One lingering inside his head, who has means of ejecting people from the soul world and preventing Shigaraki from getting touched.

Layer issue

• And iirc, immense pain can also snap someone out of a genjutsu. Shigaraki should be able to damage himself on the inside by attacking his own soul or the other vestiges inside of him. The damages would get transferred into the real world, and that should snap him out of it.

Shigaraki can't damage himself when his body is paralyzed or his mind is controlled.

Also the pain counter seems to only work against lower level genjutsu. It's explicitly does not work on visual genjutsu.

If Shigaraki gets caught in a genjutsu at all (which is questionable),

Why is it questionable?

he has means of getting himself out, so he'll shut his eyes or shapeshift into an eyeless form and just use Search to track Sasuke's soul instead of his body.

So he'll be defenseless against any long range attacks?

 

[Machmatej]

It’s layered, unless you got
Layered power null it ain’t working

then this is just a stomp

 

[BlackeJan]

Can someone show me Shigarakis danger sense being so precise it tells him to avoid eye contact specifically even before the opponent uses genjutsu? Or anything similar to that?

This. I was actually gonna ask this question. All the danger sense we’ve seen has been from a physical attacks

 

[Kaydee1648]

No, perception is specifically defined as thoughts/ability to process information, so blitzing perception means before you can even think, how does that even help if he can't perceive what's happening either way?

It literally says;

so perception speed doesn't encompass decision-making or actions beyond the initial sensory processing

 

[Machmatej]

This. I was actually gonna ask this question. All the danger sense we’ve seen has been from a physical attacks

it registers intent and threat levels, so it's probably not limited to just physical attacks, but it hasn't been shown telling its users to avoid things like eye contact. this match is just a stomp

 

[Aytugsss]

Look at his profile. Shigaraki has blitz amps above his already higher speed, to the point they're considered comparable to gearshift + fa jin, which are perception blitz amps
I already said that

Shigiraki doesnt get that amp instantly

 

[Aytugsss]

You should change the OP to English

İt was english in the start but its probably changed to turkish when i edit it
Thank you btw and would you like to vote?

 

[Aytugsss]

it registers intent and threat levels, so it's probably not limited to just physical attacks, but it hasn't been shown telling its users to avoid things like eye contact. this match is just a stomp

İ dont think its a stomp
Or any vs in sasukes pages is stomp because they doesnt countdr genjutsu to

 

[karo_senpaii]

Prove it

You didnt

No, I simply want to know the significance of this example. "Oh wow look, Sasuke was perception blitzed before". Like huh? Elaborate how this matters

It doesnt, its percep blitz, sasuke dies to decay

There is no such term on the wiki or at all

First is reaction blitz, or normal blitz, second is exactly what perception blitz is LOL

Example? In how much time? As far as i remember it takes time to even burn trees

Just so you know, Sasuke is the guy with the jutsu that perception blitzes his own sef. As in chidori is a perception blitz to both your opponent and even yourself, sharingan makes up for that. I'm just putting it out there so even if shiggy has some kind of perception blitz, Sasuke sharingan would keep up fine.

Also Sasuke FRA

 

[Mommyleona]

Did you actually read the thing you sent? The very first sentence says
"Perception speed refers to a character's ability to quickly process and understand sensory information. "

Yeah i did? This is thoughts. Ability to understand info. How can Sasuke respond without that? Unless he already knows what's exactly going to happen

This is just pointless semantics given we've explained what was meant by Arcker.

It isnt. And he did not explain anything properly, neither did you

Because he doesn't need to see Shigaraki to know he should surround himself with amaterasu.

Yes he does? and when did he ever do that? and does amaterasu now also move/activate perception blitz amps above himself? amaterasu is activated via eye looking at something anyway, which is what being blitzed, so what are you even talking about?

That's literally what he did against Ay which is way Arcker was trying to tell you.

Show

?

I watched a scene, not sure if its the one you're talking about (as none of you seem to want to show scans) and Ay clearly manages to touch and hit him, if that was Shiggy, Sasuke would've been dead

Vaguely upscaling and upscaling by like 3 damn near statue tier blitzes is a big difference.

show the so called "statue blitzes"

So, about relative to Sasuke? Maybe even slower than susanoo.

Except that Shigaraki is the one with actually higher value on top of those

Sasuke can and does cover his susanoo in kagetsuchi.
And Sasukes susanoo can move Sasukes own body out of harms way

And that helps with decay spreading and breaking susanoo how?

Also you didn't show me Shigarakis danger sense being precise and potent enough to instantly tell him he should avoid eye contact.

Neither did you show or prove that this is Sasuke's first move in character, or anything else actually
But danger sense is shown to sense stuff like Izuki trying to hit Shigaraki's soul

danger sense senses danger duh, if he's about to incapped by a single glance I'd say its fair to say he could sense it

but i again ask for a showing of sasuke doing so frame 1

It literally says;

And how does he recieve info about Shigaraki attacking him then?

Shigiraki doesnt get that amp instantly

He gets it when he uses the quirks as accepted

Just so you know, Sasuke is the guy with the jutsu that perception blitzes his own sef. As in chidori is a perception blitz to both your opponent and even yourself, sharingan makes up for that. I'm just putting it out there so even if shiggy has some kind of perception blitz, Sasuke sharingan would keep up fine.

 

[Apotheosis69]

When did Grace start?

 

[Aytugsss]

Just so you know, Sasuke is the guy with the jutsu that perception blitzes his own sef. As in chidori is a perception blitz to both your opponent and even yourself, sharingan makes up for that. I'm just putting it out there so even if shiggy has some kind of perception blitz, Sasuke sharingan would keep up fine.

Also Sasuke FRA

İ think sasuke win but i want to clear a misunderstatement
Sasuke is 1c with mangekyo sharingan
İn base hes like 0.14 c
And i dont think he using chidori in this match up because he needs to beat shigaraki with ranged attacks like genjutsu and amaterasu maybe susanoos arrow and i think either of one these are finish the job perfectly

 

[Aytugsss]

When did Grace start?

Like today 8.49 a.m

 

[Aytugsss]

Yeah i did? This is thoughts. Ability to understand info. How can Sasuke respond without that? Unless he already knows what's exactly going to happen

It isnt. And he did not explain anything properly, neither did you

Yes he does? and when did he ever do that? and does amaterasu now also move/activate perception blitz amps above himself? amaterasu is activated via eye looking at something anyway, which is what being blitzed, so what are you even talking about?

Show

I watched a scene, not sure if its the one you're talking about (as none of you seem to want to show scans) and Ay clearly manages to touch and hit him, if that was Shiggy, Sasuke would've been dead

show the so called "statue blitzes"

Except that Shigaraki is the one with actually higher value on top of those

And that helps with decay spreading and breaking susanoo how?

Neither did you show or prove that this is Sasuke's first move in character, or anything else actually
But danger sense is shown to sense stuff like Izuki trying to hit Shigaraki's soul

danger sense senses danger duh, if he's about to incapped by a single glance I'd say its fair to say he could sense it

but i again ask for a showing of sasuke doing so frame 1

And how does he recieve info about Shigaraki attacking him then?

He gets it when he uses the quirks as accepted

You should look kaydees answer for
Mental speed

 

[Mommyleona]

You should look kaydees answer for
Mental speed

i did
also
this Sasuke himself is only 0.028c???
He only has 0.86 reactions with sharingan
and 1c with mangekyo sharingan
so like shiggy can still easily overwhelm him and any of his moves one shots

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Look at his profile. Shigaraki has blitz amps above his already higher speed, to the point they're considered comparable to gearshift + fa jin, which are perception blitz amps
I already said that

MS sasuke react to mifunes SoL attack his reactions Are 0.86 c and Raikage s Shunshin blitzes the Shit out of hım
Kcm Naruto with Shunshin blitzed Raikage with Shunshin. Ems reaction and Kcm Naruto s Shunshin is comparable to hiraishin and Ems Perception is above that
Madara accuretly dodged tobirama juubito is also able to react Shunshin Many times
MS< Raikage Shunshin < Kcm Naruto Shunshin = Ems reaction <~ Hiraishin <~ Ems Perception
Shiggy is not blitzing Sasuke
Sasuke activates susanoo and kagutsuchi either burn hım with that or blitzes with susanoo Arrow
Worst case sasuke can gejutsu him

 

[Aytugsss]

i did
also
this Sasuke himself is only 0.028c???
He only has 0.86 reactions with sharingan
and 1c with mangekyo sharingan, which he would have to activate first no??

You talk like sasuke doesnt activate his mangekyo sharingan in the start of the fight
He start with it almost every time
And if you did read kaydees answer why did you constantly arguing that csnt use kagetsuchi for defance because he got pb?
İ Dont even think he does get perperction blitzed. He already fought obito and react some of his attacks while in the jubii form which is way higher than hes pervious self

 

[Aytugsss]

MS sasuke react to mifunes SoL attack his reactions Are 0.86 c and Raikage s Shunshin blitzes the Shit out of hım
Kcm Naruto with Shunshin blitzed Raikage with Shunshin. Ems reaction and Kcm Naruto s Shunshin is comparable to hiraishin and Ems Perception is above that
Madara accuretly dodged tobirama juubito is also able to react Shunshin Many times
MS< Raikage Shunshin < Kcm Naruto Shunshin = Ems reaction <~ Hiraishin <~ Ems Perception
Shiggy is not blitzing Sasuke
Sasuke activates susanoo and kagutsuchi either burn hım with that or blitzes with susanoo Arrow
Worst case sasuke can gejutsu him

Why did you compare sasuke with madara?

 

[AthelChan]

Sah-su-keh FRA

 

[Robo432343]

people were voting shiggy because they didn't know genjutsu was layered but now they do so its just a stomp, man
should i ask this to be closed

 

[AthelChan]

people were voting shiggy because they didn't know genjutsu was layered but now they do so its just a stomp, man
should i ask this to be closed

lowk let it ramp up a bit then close it, but yeah maybe

 

[FARLANDER3305]

people were voting shiggy because they didn't know genjutsu was layered but now they do so its just a stomp, man
should i ask this to be closed

Sasuke Didnt start with genjutsu outright altho he May use that cuz shiggy is stronger

 

[Aytugsss]

people were voting shiggy because they didn't know genjutsu was layered but now they do so its just a stomp, man
should i ask this to be closed

Some people still vote shigaraki
And again almost all of sasuke v.s are the same case as this in his profiles

 

[Mommyleona]

Sasuke Didnt start with genjutsu outright altho he May use that cuz shiggy is stronger

If he doesnt start with it the whole argument for him winning falls apart

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah i did? This is thoughts. Ability to understand info. How can Sasuke respond without that? Unless he already knows what's exactly going to happen

It isnt. And he did not explain anything properly, neither did you

This is literally just pointless semantics. The point is, Sasuke doesn't need to see Shigaraki to know he should activate amaterasu/kagetsuchi because the speed at which he can see ≠ speed at which he can think. This was explained to you 3x now, at this point it's not that you don't understand what's being told to you but that you pretend you don't so you don't have to interact with the actual argument.

Yes he does? and when did he ever do that?

Ay moved so fast amaterasu that spawns on perception only hit an after image and then literally ran behind Sasuke faster than Sasuke could even see

And yet Sasuke could cover his susanoo in amaterasu in time

and does amaterasu now also move/activate perception blitz amps above himself?

Kagetsuchi seems to. Given that Sasuke couldn't even see the Raikage run around the room behind him but could still activate Kagetsuchi in time.

amaterasu is activated via eye looking at something anyway, which is what being blitzed, so what are you even talking about?

And Kagetsuchi allows Sasuke to spawn it completely around himself.

I watched a scene, not sure if its the one you're talking about (as none of you seem to want to show scans) and Ay clearly manages to touch and hit him, if that was Shiggy, Sasuke would've been dead

The only time Ay touches Sasuke directly is before Sasuke even activates the MS. After that he only hits the susanoo and even that only after Sasuke covered it in amaterasu.

show the so called "statue blitzes"

Ay runs around Sasuke faster than Sasuke can move an inch. (most impressive)
Naruto runs circles around Ay despite starting literally inches away from his punch. (slightly less impressive on paper but actually makes Naruto out about 70x faster than the Raikage)
Obito even simply becoming a TTJ perception blitzes both Naruto and 3 tomoe Sasuke (possibly most impressive, even Naruto could only tell what happened due to his personal ties to the bijuu)

So like I said
EMS Sasukes perception and susanoo >~ unstable Juubito >>> kcm1 Naruto >>> Ay4 >>> MS Sasuke >~ 1c

Except that Shigaraki is the one with actually higher value on top of those

Yeah, a very slightly higher value with a smaller jump above it.

And that helps with decay spreading and breaking susanoo how?

Burns Shigaraki until he's completely gone.

And nothing stops Sasuke from just deactivating and reactivating the susanoo if necessary.

Neither did you show or prove that this is Sasuke's first move in character, or anything else actually

I don’t need to since I'm not saying he does.
If he doesn't it's even worse for Shigaraki because then he wouldn't be able to sense any danger from it until it catches him offguard.

That aside Sasuke uses genjutsu relatively soon and often here. He used it on Bee the moment Bee became too difficult to just beat physically. He basically opens up the Ay fight and when it fails against him he instantly hits his teammate with it. He uses it on Danzo in the first chapter of their fight. He instantly uses it on the bijuu and on Sakura.
So it's not a frame 1 move unless he sees the opponent far surpasses him in stats, but it's a move he's extremely likely to pull out very soon.

But danger sense is shown to sense stuff like Izuki trying to hit Shigaraki's soul

That's not really comparable whatsoever.
You can't really compare the danger of a punch causing spiritual damage to eye contact causing mental paralysis.

danger sense senses danger duh, if he's about to incapped by a single glance I'd say its fair to say he could sense it

No not really. Danger sensing can vary heavily in potency and accuracy.
One danger sense might basically act like straight up future sight and another might just sense general hostility and bloodlust.

Shigarakis seems more like the latter. So you'd need evidence it can precisely detect something like eye contact causing mental paralysis.

 

[Aytugsss]

This is literally just pointless semantics. The point is, Sasuke doesn't need to see Shigaraki to know he should activate amaterasu/kagetsuchi because the speed at which he can see ≠ speed at which he can think. This was explained to you 3x now, at this point it's not that you don't understand what's being told to you but that you pretend you don't so you don't have to interact with the actual argument.

Ay moved so fast amaterasu that spawns on perception only hit an after image and then literally ran behind Sasuke faster than Sasuke could even see

And yet Sasuke could cover his susanoo in amaterasu in time

Kagetsuchi seems to. Given that Sasuke couldn't even see the Raikage run around the room behind him but could still activate Kagetsuchi in time.

And Kagetsuchi allows Sasuke to spawn it completely around himself.

The only time Ay touches Sasuke directly is before Sasuke even activates the MS. After that he only hits the susanoo and even that only after Sasuke covered it in amaterasu.

Ay runs around Sasuke faster than Sasuke can move an inch. (most impressive)
Naruto runs circles around Ay despite starting literally inches away from his punch. (slightly less impressive on paper but actually makes Naruto out about 70x faster than the Raikage)
Obito even simply becoming a TTJ perception blitzes both Naruto and 3 tomoe Sasuke (possibly most impressive, even Naruto could only tell what happened due to his personal ties to the bijuu)

So like I said
EMS Sasukes perception and susanoo >~ unstable Juubito >>> kcm1 Naruto >>> Ay4 >>> MS Sasuke >~ 1c

Yeah, a very slightly higher value with a smaller jump above it.

Burns Shigaraki until he's completely gone.

And nothing stops Sasuke from just deactivating and reactivating the susanoo if necessary.

I don’t need to since I'm not saying he does.
If he doesn't it's even worse for Shigaraki because then he wouldn't be able to sense any danger from it until it catches him offguard.

That aside Sasuke uses genjutsu relatively soon and often here. He used it on Bee the moment Bee became too difficult to just beat physically. He basically opens up the Ay fight and when it fails against him he instantly hits his teammate with it. He uses it on Danzo in the first chapter of their fight. He instantly uses it on the bijuu and on Sakura.
So it's not a frame 1 move unless he sees the opponent far surpasses him in stats, but it's a move he's extremely likely to pull out very soon.

That's not really comparable whatsoever.
You can't really compare the danger of a punch causing spiritual damage to eye contact causing mental paralysis.

No not really. Danger sensing can vary heavily in potency and accuracy.
One danger sense might basically act like straight up future sight and another might just sense general hostility and bloodlust.

Shigarakis seems more like the latter. So you'd need evidence it can precisely detect something like eye contact causing mental paralysis.

Your assuming about Naruto vs a4 is wrong for me
Raikage inform naruto that he start attack so naruto scale to raikage but not 70 x
Also we shouldnt use things that doesnt in pages ig

 

[DavidTPPM]

Your assuming about Naruto vs a4 is wrong for md

I'm not assuming anything about it.

Raikage inform naruto that he start attack so naruto scale to raikage but not 70 x

Ay informing Naruto is completely irrelevant because we see Naruto waits until Ays top speed punch is literally like a centimeter away from his face before dodging. Knowing about an attack head of time would only be useful if you started dodging ahead of time.

Also we shouldnt use things that doesnt in pages ig

I'm not saying Naruto is literally 70x faster of course. I'm only mentioning it to put how big of a blitz it was into perspective.
Since Naruto doesn't literally statue Ay but that's largely because Naruto moved such a large distance after dodging the attack, giving Ay extra time to dodge.

 

[Kaio1277999]

Sasuke Burn his Ass FRA

 

[FARLANDER3305]

If he doesnt start with it the whole argument for him winning falls apart

No but sasuke verry well can see shiggy is stronger and go to susanoo kagutsuchi or Shunshin susanoo or directly uses genjutsu if he sees shiggy aproach him

 

[FARLANDER3305]

If he doesnt start with it the whole argument for him winning falls apart

And dont say blitz please this was already explained multiple times.
İ am not going to argue further cuz i m going to sleep
Have A Good Night / day bro