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Grappler Baki Major CRT, Part 1: Doppo and Yujiro fixes

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This series of threads will make a massive overhaul to Bakis current profiles

This thread focuses on the first Manga: Grappler Baki

Yujiro Hanma

Yujiro's earthquake feat is a insanse outlier

In Grappler Bakis 2nd arc the flashback arc Baki is 13 and Baki is 17 in the first arc, so it's a 4 year flashback. In this flashback Yujiro has a feat of stopping a earthquake (the radiated waves) which we have at Town Level. The issue is that if Yujiro has insanse daily growth like were led to believe this 4 years youger Yujiro should be weak. 17 year old Baki/ his opponents should scale to this 4 years younger Yujiro.
Baki defends his title as champion every month, so the scene of Yujiro one tapping a heavily weakened Baki does not matter since it's a 1 month younger Baki then the Baki that fights Kureha.

Yujiro tries to open a door where he thinks Doppo is behind, but he's unable to open it due to his strength being matched and afterwards were immeditealy introduced to Kureha (meaning it was him behind the door). This is only 2 days before Yujiro vs Doppo (Kureha goes to the carnival immediately after ghosting Yujiro and the next day he performs a surgery, and on that day we know "tommorow" is the day of the fight). Baki and Kureha are implied to be equally matched, so with this we can see Baki isn't insansely behind Yujiro in the first arc. This would imply that Baki in his previous fights should be above the 4 years younger Yujiro and that his opponents (excluding Suedo because he didn't scale to Baki) like Kiyosumi, Kosho, Toba and Kureha would scale above or even way above the earthquake Yujiro.

These characters only have Wall Level feats and thus Yujiro's earthquake easily qualifies for a outlier: It's a insanely big jump, theres no justification for it and it breaks the previously established scaling.

Doppo Orochi
Doppo scales above Base Yujiro

The fight starts with Doppo sneaking Yujiro and Yuijro responds by jumping off the wall and attempting to elbow Doppo as they land, but Doppo escaped and kicks Yujiro who blocks and Doppo tries hitting him again. Yuijro blocks again and throws him, but Doppo uses the momentum to go for his own attack which is once again blocked and ends the first portion of their fight (evenly matched basically).

Yujiro then walks up to Doppo and dodges Doppo leading to a perfect counter, he does this via Udundi. Doppo responds to this by taking a stance (his own counter technique) and counters Yujiro's counter, and then Doppo hits Yujiro 4 more times. However Yujiro tanked everything and then goes all out against Doppo. Yujiro keeps hitting Doppo who can only block until he falls down, however Doppo gets up and starts to use the Sangan. Yujiro tries attacking Doppo over and over, but Doppo keeps coutering him and it's clear that he's winning now. Then it goes off screen and Doppo switches to his fast Karate Strikes that speed blitz Yujiro. Afterwards Yujiro is forced into the Demon Back and wins.

Prime Doppo isn't a thing

Currently the wiki has two keys for Doppo: Prime and Post Yujiro fight. Doppo having a "prime" and getting weaker afterwards comes from Chapter 55 where the narrator says Doppo "might" be in the last year of his prime, however the issue is that this has never again been stated or implied that he did get out of his prime and instead it's implied he got stronger. In the maximum Tournament it's stated he's been completed because he found the real Seiken and in Baki Rahen Baki says Doppo lied about withdrawing (Doppo quitting the Dojo), so there's not enough evidence to say Doppo got weaker and theres better evidence for him growing. Lastly we could very well still be in that "last year of his prime" we don't know how exactly into being 17 Baki was during chapter 55 and he's only become 18, we don't know if he's 19 yet and after he became 18 we stopped getting statements regarding passing time.
 
Doppo vs Yujiro part and Prime Doppo part

1. "To add insult to injury, it also confirms that Yujiro wasn't serious during their fight until he activates his Demon Back" This is a super dishonest interp that he can't prove. The guide does not say Base Yujiro wasn't serious, it's saying Yujiro in his entirity isn't serious until he's in Demon Back.....

2. Doppo was dominating Yujiro without Sangan. The fight goes off screen when Doppo says it's time for Yujiro to experience tradition and when Baki comes to spectate the fight we can see Doppo is not using Sangan, because his eyes aren't rolling and instead starts speedblitzing Yujiro with "striking attacks". He showed the same strikes to Baki that also speedblitzed him. Point being these speedblitzing strikes aren't Sangan, he misread the fight badly.

3. Bakis doctors are quite literally cracked like that: We see this with the doctor being able to reconnect Bakis nerves or doing surgery on Kurehas ripped stomach or perfectly re attaching Doppo's hand. Yes his permanent loss of an eye would nerf him, but he's been constantly training since then so it doesn't justify a "prime key".

4. I've addressed the narrator saying hes in his last year of his prime part already and about Doppo after his fight with Richard: Richard being a random does not matter. It's a tournament of the supposed strongest from around the world, so of course there's gonna be new ridicously strong random characters popping up. Richard has 0 anti feats, so Doppo being injured from Richard does not entail that Doppo is weaker then before and it's simply a Richard upscale.
 
why does this keep happening to me bro 🥀

In all fairness, after discussion off-site, I actually don’t agree with my previous arguments that Doppo doesn’t scale to Yujiro, he should at least downscale realistically. However, I also still believe in a Prime Doppo, but I wanted to wait until official translations came out to make args and post a thread going over it so I wouldn’t have to either pay out the ass for my own translations or rot waiting for them to be done here. We’re only a few months away from the official English catching up to the relevant chapters, so I’d greatly appreciate it if we didn’t try to do this ridiculous song and dance again.
 
why does this keep happening to me bro 🥀

In all fairness, after discussion off-site, I actually don’t agree with my previous arguments that Doppo doesn’t scale to Yujiro, he should at least downscale realistically. However, I also still believe in a Prime Doppo, but I wanted to wait until official translations came out to make args and post a thread going over it so I wouldn’t have to either pay out the ass for my own translations or rot waiting for them to be done here. We’re only a few months away from the official English catching up to the relevant chapters, so I’d greatly appreciate it if we didn’t try to do this ridiculous song and dance again.
Sure I'll ask a mod to close this
 
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