Piccolo's Moon-bust Calc

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'm going to make an actual thread about this since every other time I've asked this question, I've received no response whatsoever.

Due to the changes to NarutoForums, the calc linked on Raditz's page for Piccolo's moon blast is essentially incomplete. It is missing pictures and references other posts which are now no longer there.

Furthermore, there are extensive arguments in the comments about the legitimacy of the calc and certain factors it assumes, and without everything being there, it is difficult to tell what all of this is about. Multiple times, mention is made of a version of the calc made by ChaosTheory, though obviously, I am now unable to access it.

Would anyone happen to have access to this version of the calc? Because that would help greatly in figuring out everything being argued.

 

[Thebluedash]

Hm Chaostheory did a recalc? I can try to find it.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That would be very helpful.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hey hey, my boy Blue is on the rescue for Azzy!

 

[KuuIchigo]

This one?

 

[Thebluedash]

This one?

Definitely the one. Also you ninjaed me ;-;

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Welp.....Ichigo came to the rescue, it seems.

 

[Promestein]

Those results would be Moon level+ to Small Planet level, yes?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Those results would be Moon level+ to Small Planet level, yes?

Yes.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Those results would be Moon level+ to Small Planet level, yes?

From the looks of it, yeah it would.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks KuuIchigo. So, I suppose that the calculation link needs to be updated.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Didn't we just had a freakin' thread that upgraded the characters from the Saiyan Saga like a couple days ago?

 

[KuuIchigo]

No problem. And they were upgraded to planet level right? Would this mean they are going to get downgraded to moon or small planet?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

This would make a few minor changes.

As stated in the calc, the High End is a more fair assumption, so the only difference would be Raditz, Saiyan Saga Piccolo, Saiyan Saga Krillin, Saiyan Saga Tien, Saiyan Saga Gohan, and Saiyan Saga Chiaotzu become Small Planet instead of Small Planet+, Nappa becomes "At least Small Planet level", and everyone scaled from Nappa gets the same treatment.

That's about it, I think.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

No problem. And they were upgraded to planet level right? Would this mean they are going to get downgraded to moon or small planet?

Small Planet is the more fair guess, for reasons stated in the calc.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Man, this is hella stupid yet funny. I made Base SS Goku Low 5-B that day only to had to get him to be 5-B because of TLT but now this happens?

Eh don't you agree, Azzy?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

lol This is why I was asking about it, in the first place.

Also, would this make KKx4 Saiyan Saga Goku and Saiyan Saga Vegeta "Small Planet level+" instead of regular planet level? Because going by this calc and the multiplier, KKx4 Goku would be ~>28 zettatons.

 

[Antvasima]

Well then. Who wants to make the changes?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Well then. Who wants to make the changes?

I can do so, if we're all agreed on this.

Also, as I said in my last comment, would this affect Saiyan Saga Goku, Vegeta, Frieza Saga Gohan, and guys like Cui, too?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

OMG, this is legit funny and stupid at the same time on so many levels.

But wait given that Planet level is now 59.4(?) Zettatons and given the high-end of Chaostheory's calc, would that mean that Vegeta would have only f'd up MOST of the planet rather than actually destroy it?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I don't remember Earth's GBE, but I'm pretty sure being hit with ~>28 zettatons of force would be enough to "destroy" it, even if not completely annihilate it.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Oh oh okay, that would make sense. Well it's because Earth's GBE is apparently 59.4 Zetta's now and we recently implemented on to here like some days ago.

But aside that, that probably makes sense.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Vegeta said he was going to turn Earth to ashes, so he and goku with kaiokenx3/4 and vegeta should logically stay as planet level, with Kaiokenx2 as At least Small Planet level+ and what aza said for the rest.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Aizen

Do you have Vegeta's exact quote? I remember something along the lines of turning Goku and his planet to ashes, but it's been a while.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Yep, this one

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Aizen.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yeah, I can definitely buy that.

Though that does make me wonder...that coupled with the calculations would imply Vegeta to be closer to the lower bounds of Planet level than the higher ones. Wouldn't this suggest characters like the Ginyu force should just be 5-B as opposed to "At least 5-B", and Ginyu himself should be the one with "At least 5-B"? I don't really see any reason to believe Jeice and characters of his level are ~47x stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

 

[Antvasima]

Possibly, yes.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Ok. Then before I make any changes, I want to see if this is agreeable.

• Raditz and the Saiyan Saga Z-Fighters = Small Planet level

• Nappa and characters scaled from him = At least Small Planet level

• Saiyan Saga Vegeta and KKx4 Goku = Planet level (same as now)

• Dodoria, Zarbon, Nail, and the Ginyu Force (sans Guldo and Ginyu) = Planet level

• Captain Ginyu = At least Planet level

• Android Saga Fodder Z-Fighters = Planet level

Is this acceptable?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Seems reasonable enough.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Seems fine to me.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Alright then. I will begin the changes.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

I don't remember Earth's GBE, but I'm pretty sure being hit with ~>28 zettatons of force would be enough to "destroy" it, even if not completely annihilate it.

iirc vegeta said he wud turn earth into ashes and not simply destroy it

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

iirc vegeta said he wud turn earth into ashes and not simply destroy it

He's staying Planet level.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

iirc vegeta said he wud turn earth into ashes and not simply destroy it

He's staying Planet level.

ok, im fine with changes as long as vegeta and kaikon x 4 goku are planet level (cuz that is a crutial milestone for powerscaling a lot of characters)

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

They are.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

All revisions have been made.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

All revisions have been made.

i was wondering... isnt "At least 5-B" sort of... low for captain ginyu?

i thot 5-A wud fit better ...

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Mainly because we don't know how much stronger he is than Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Mainly because we don't know how much stronger he is than Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

i mean he cant be THAT much weaker than first form frieza right?

like.. using current estimates, frieza wud be at least hundreds of thousands x ginyu level