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The Demonbane downgrade was wrong from the beginning though, but whatever.
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Shinza Banshou downgrade
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Then do a revision and don't derail.
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All the profiles are locked, somebody will have to ask them to be reopened so we can change the tiers, but currently, I'm going to sleep.
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Can you unlock the profiles then? They are all locked.
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At least taiji layer should still remain.
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If infinite isn't ok (even as it is infinite imo) then we can count difference between each taiji as immeasurably higher because of this statement:
The depth of the Singularity varies in accordance with the ruling deity’s law strength (Taikyoku/Taiji). As such, Singularities generated by a God with “higher” quality would be immeasurably “deeper” than those of lower quality, and therefore will not be “drilled” or “crossed” without adequate strength.
The depth of the Singularity varies in accordance with the ruling deity’s law strength (Taikyoku/Taiji). As such, Singularities generated by a God with “higher” quality would be immeasurably “deeper” than those of lower quality, and therefore will not be “drilled” or “crossed” without adequate strength.
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Sounds good for me.
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The only thing i will add which maybe relevant for the future is related to yakou himself as from what i gathered because of how he can change hierarchy, he can do until those below him cannot understand him and adjust his existence according to his standards which may relate to taiji in some way considering its in his mukei part so idk what else I can add considering he can adjust his existence until anything below him can;t grasp him at all. Meh idk too worn out from work F.
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Well, Umineko, The Cthulhu Mythos, and The Unwritten legitimately seem to qualify, and you wrote a pretty convincing argument for The Elder Scrolls.
I definitely don't think that DC Comics remotely qualifies though, and am very uncertain about Twin Peaks, given its comparatively tiny cosmology.
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I definitely think that we should keep tiers High 1-A and 0, as our system would be too tiny otherwise and not allow for proper indexing of vastly powerful fictions, but not allow characters to reach them via very speculative shortcuts.
Anyway, we are derailing.
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In any case, would somebody highly knowledgeable be willing and able to update all of our Shinza Banchou character profiles and explanations pages, or should we wait a bit for Ultima and DontTalk, or at least more staff input, first?
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I can unlock the profile pages if necessary.
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Didnt you @ countless staff already? Many of the defenders switched side now and every possible argument has been given and majority of staff commented here agreed. No to mention no one is even debating the subject anymore
You should unlock the profiles, all we need to do is to find a trust worthy guy to edit them and we done.
You should unlock the profiles, all we need to do is to find a trust worthy guy to edit them and we done.
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Seeing as defendants are agreeing with the removal, it might be slightly redundant but sure, if needed.
Though, on the unlocking profile thing, justifications like these that are still being discussed are a slight problem :
I suppose we can put a safe and neutral "Reinhard exists above the Singularity" (in Reinhard's case) and remove the underlined bolded line above in the profiles. Then change High 1-A to 1-A for now? Since 1-A and 1-A+(though seeing the defendants side, it seems that themselves find the latter unlikely) are being discussed.
As for who will apply the changes, I suppose Darksmash or I can do that, if the other supporters aren't willing to.
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Darksmash should do the change obviously, he started it all.
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Okay. I will unlock the Tier 1 Shinza Banshou profile pages for you to edit, along with any of the three explanation pages that are currently locked. Tell me here when you are done.
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Alright. I assume the Tier 1 profiles will normally all be in this page :
Shinza Banshou
For detailed information about this series, visit the Shinza Bansho Wiki. Shinza Banshou, also known as the Masadaverse and previously called Kami-Sama Series, is a series of visual novels written and done by Takashi Masada. There are a total of four main entries written by him: Paradise Lost...
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I have unlocked the Tier 1 Shinza Banshou pages. Here are all of them in a list:
vsbattles.fandom.com
Antvasima/DPL
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Well yeah, as currently most of it's characters cap at 1A. May change in the he future, who knows?
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I thought that high 1-A is fully transcending infinite 1-A characters, each one infinite to last one, not infinite 1-A characters each one 1-A to whole system.
Current high 1-A is too overpowered for absolute nothing. Barely any verse in fiction is that powerful. It is also poorly explained and i barely understood it.
Probaly a better and more logical high 1-A is having "one single" 1-A transcendence to 1-A constructs.
Current high 1-A is too overpowered for absolute nothing. Barely any verse in fiction is that powerful. It is also poorly explained and i barely understood it.
Probaly a better and more logical high 1-A is having "one single" 1-A transcendence to 1-A constructs.
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That makes no sense. The current High 1-A is based on mathematics that quite a few verses already meet the qualifications of. Making it an arbitrary tier just so that more characters qualify is ridiculous.
Not to mention that this isn't the place for discussing this.
Not to mention that this isn't the place for discussing this.
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That is purely your subjective opinion. Old high 1-A was far weaker and nobody called it ridicilous, not even once. So idk why it is now suddenly bad. Maybe because it doesn't meet your subjective interests. In my opinion making a tier specifically composed for few verses (maybe 3? and after reading matthew comments i'm not sure if they are really that high too) in WHOLE FICTION with hundereds of thousands stories is even more ridicilous.
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How is mathematics my subjective opinion?
Tiers are meant to be accurate. Not have a certain number of people in them. It's not even made for specific works of fiction, it's just that few actually are this powerful.
99% of fiction is below Tier 7 though so that last part is just arguing from incredulity.
We currently have 6 verses with High 1-As on the wiki that were accepted as such by most of the experts on the tiering system itself.
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What are some verses with characters who actually fit the new definition of High 1-A
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The Cthulhu Mythos?
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