(STAFF AND CALC NEEDED) Terminator Franchise Resurrection: Canon and stats revisions

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

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[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

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[BlackDarkness679]

Recently watched Terminator Zero from Netflix, looked afterwards to see how canon it was and its stated it counts all the movies as canon claiming they wont pretend 3rd and 6th one didnt exist

How does it affect its existence to the series overall?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Recently watched Terminator Zero from Netflix, looked afterwards to see how canon it was and its stated it counts all the movies as canon claiming they wont pretend 3rd and 6th one didnt exist

How does it affect its existence to the series overall?

The show has its own timeline I think, like other movies/shows

 

[BlackDarkness679]

The show has its own timeline I think, like other movies/shows

So basically the series could scale to whatever the other movies have, but not vice versa

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

So basically the series could scale to whatever the other movies have, but not vice versa

Yes

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Okie dokie

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

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[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

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[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

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[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

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[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I hate to ask you to wait longer, but if you give me a day or two to sort through other stuff I'll comment in more detail.

So what about this?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

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[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

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[Qawsedf234]

So what about this?

I was busy with a bunch of stuff in March, so sorry about being so late here.

In my mind since Terminator isn't getting a lot of traction, it'll ultimately just need to be a slow process thing. So with that in mind we can just do the following:

Original Timeline (T1, T2, T3, Salvation, probably that Salvation prequel)

Cameron Timeline (T1, T2, Dark Fate)

Chronicles Timeline (T1, T2, Chronicles)

Genisys (Literally just Genisys)

We make it "T-800 (Dark Fate)" or "T-800 (Cameron Timeline)" and put a note in it like with the Michael Myer's profile:

Note: This profile covers Michael Myers in the Thorn Timeline. The movies in this timeline are Halloween, Halloween II, Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers, Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers, and Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers.

So something like

Note: As discussed in this thread, the multiple timelines have resulted in inconsistent depictions of the Terminator and contradicting canon information. This profile covers James Cameron's Dark Fate timeline, which includes Terminator, Terminator 2, Dark Fate and their respective novelizations.

Now for AP rating stuff we have the following:

• The Rev-9 and T-800 scales to fragmenting a decent amount of concrete
• Being run over by a semi-truck would be wall level since they're on a highway
• The truck explosion and the generator explosion are... weird. The main issue is the surface area stuff. For the semi-truck, from what I can find, the semi-truck the Terminator drove is roughly 74 foot long, 14 feet tall and 9~ feet wide. That's a surface area of 339.65 m^2. You'd have to find the cargo for what it's carrying to get explosive power, but its probably somewhere in the 9-B range unless you assume it was filled with like 14,000 gallons of gasoline.
• For lifting strength the Rev-9 can eventually rip off the arm of a T-800, so I'd guess you'd get something in the Class 1-5 range

Whatever the case, I'd save the current profile to a sandbox page and start updating it.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Whatever the case, I'd save the current profile to a sandbox page and start updating it.

On discord I had several passages from the novelizations of T1 and T2 which gave new powers and abilities to the T-800 and the T-1000 and additional justifications for their powers and abilities already accepted (analytical prediction, information analysis, photographic memory, enhanced sense, energy absorption, H2H skill, stealth mastery, vehicular mastery, etc.) but I deleted them by mistake damn.

If you have time to read the novelizations, here they are:


Otherwise I'll go get the feats again.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Now for AP rating stuff we have the following:

• The Rev-9 and T-800 scales to fragmenting a decent amount of concrete
• Being run over by a semi-truck would be wall level since they're on a highway

There's also:

• In the T1 novelizations, it's said that the T-800 hit a car window so hard that it crystallized.
• The T-800 can casually pass through concrete

 

[Qawsedf234]

• The T-800 can casually pass through concrete

Unless the novel states it's concrete, visually that's just a thick plaster wall.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

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[69Blood69]

The semi-truck explosion feat gives Building level results for the T-800's durability, which may be an outlier

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The semi-truck explosion feat gives Building level results for the T-800's durability, which may be an outlier

The actual issue is the nature with how gas works. At best, it would scale to how much raw heat they can withstand and not so much how much overpressure.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

So I'm going to reread the Terminator 1 and 2 novelizations soon (in a few weeks at most) and make a sandbox for most of the Dark Fate timeline's characters (Well I don't know if I would do it for the characters from the Dark Fate movie but for T1 and T2 it's sure)

I can't do the calcs because I don't know how to do them.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Now for AP rating stuff we have the following:

• The Rev-9 and T-800 scales to fragmenting a decent amount of concrete
• Being run over by a semi-truck would be wall level since they're on a highway

Are these the only AP feats to calc for the Dark Fate timeline?

For speed there is the Rev-9 which dodges a shotgun blast at point blank range, and there are some statements in the novelizations that say Terminators can react to bullets (in the novelization of T2 there is even a feat of the T-1000 that does this)

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Now for AP rating stuff we have the following:

• The Rev-9 and T-800 scales to fragmenting a decent amount of concrete
• Being run over by a semi-truck would be wall level since they're on a highway
• The truck explosion and the generator explosion are... weird. The main issue is the surface area stuff. For the semi-truck, from what I can find, the semi-truck the Terminator drove is roughly 74 foot long, 14 feet tall and 9~ feet wide. That's a surface area of 339.65 m^2. You'd have to find the cargo for what it's carrying to get explosive power, but its probably somewhere in the 9-B range unless you assume it was filled with like 14,000 gallons of gasoline.
• For lifting strength the Rev-9 can eventually rip off the arm of a T-800, so I'd guess you'd get something in the Class 1-5 range

And what about these feats:

• In Dark Fate we see the T-800 open a thick steel sword with a punch but I can't find this passage on YouTube

 

[Qawsedf234]

For speed there is the Rev-9 which dodges a shotgun blast at point blank range

Watching in slow motion the split was happening before the gunshot. So it's aim-dodging/just a miss.

Terminators can react to bullets (in the novelization of T2 there is even a feat of the T-1000 that does this)

Reading the novel it doesn't really "react" to the bullets

The T-1000 was in turn cratered by several slugs. It staggered, but kept coming on. It was measuring the velocity and angle of each hit, and actually opening itself up slightly to cushion the shock of the entry wounds. Bright mercury formed in the craters as they closed and resealed, disappearing in a second.

It can't physically avoid the projectiles, so it instead calculates hit locations and opens itself up slightly to mitigate the damage. This is more an intelligence or calculation feat than a speed feat in my mind.

what about these feats

The first feat is with tiles and drywall. The latter is like Tier 10 or 9-C and the former is making a dent which feels super low 9-B wise but I could be wrong.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Watching in slow motion the split was happening before the gunshot. So it's aim-dodging/just a miss.

Okay

Reading the novel it doesn't really "react" to the bullets

Have you spotted any notable feats to calculate btw?

It can't physically avoid the projectiles, so it instead calculates hit locations and opens itself up slightly to mitigate the damage. This is more an intelligence or calculation feat than a speed feat in my mind.

If he can't physically avoid them it's because there are several rounds going at him at the same time, he's in a corridor and that means his travel speed is not scaling. But since he was able to calculate the angle and velocity of each round while they were already fired at him it means his reaction speed scales at that speed.

The first feat is with tiles and drywall. The latter is like Tier 10 or 9-C and the former is making a dent which feels super low 9-B wise but I could be wrong.

Okay

 

[OrangeFR]

Agree

 

[Qawsedf234]

because there are several rounds going at him at the same time,

Shotguns at the range the T-1000 is in have a incredibly tight cone. So if he could dodge the projectiles I feel like he would've.

But since he was able to calculate the angle and velocity of each round while they were already fired at him it means his reaction speed scales at that speed.

I feel like it's more perception speed but you can have another mod weigh in.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I agree that we should separate the continuities and that profiles should be split to reflect them.

I agree with DarkDragonMedeus

 

[Hellbeast]

Watching in slow motion the split was happening before the gunshot. So it's aim-dodging/just a miss.


Reading the novel it doesn't really "react" to the bullets

It can't physically avoid the projectiles, so it instead calculates hit locations and opens itself up slightly to mitigate the damage. This is more an intelligence or calculation feat than a speed feat in my mind.

This gives Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction too actually which is pretty good

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

This gives Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction too actually which is pretty good

The novelizations of T1 and T2 also give this to the T-800, and many other abilities like photographic memory, enhanced senses, stealth mastery, martial arts, energy absorption, etc

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

The T-800 and T-1000 should also have Extraordinary Genius Intelligence, especially the T-1000 because the novelization says its brain is completely "alien" for a T-800.

The T-1000 should have almost all the abilities of a T-800 in addition to its own abilities (Multiple Selves, Intangibility, Weapon Creation, Shapeshifting, Camouflage, Regen Low-High with a range of Tens of Kilometers).