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Tusk's rotational energy is an physical and universal energy system, first an universal energy system aka ues is an type of energy that scale equally all of ur physical stats, the caracteristic of Ues is an energy that channel through ur own body and enhances ur physical stats
For my first argument i will prove that rotational energy channel through johnnys body, first is this narrator statement explaining verbatim how rotational energy channel through gyro's body :
His energy is transmitted from his lower body to his waist, shoulders, elbows, wrists, and fingers, and his entire body rotates, giving him unbeatable rotational power.
He learns the "infinite scale" from nature
to back up this argument i will use 2 facts, first, that golden rectangle ( representation of rotational energy in nature ) exists in everything on the universe, including johnnys and ta4s bodies, second is that ta4 can make rotational energy channel through valentine's body to damage him, if ta4 can make R.E channel through other peoples bodies, it is logical that he can within his own bodyhere

For my second argument i will prove that rotational energy enhanced tusk's physical stats, wich would drawn us to the logical conclusion that the rotational energy that channel through tusk and johnnys bodies is an universal and physical energy system, the proof is simple, as stated multiple time rotational energy is reponsible for the evolution of ta3 into ta4 :
“Zeppeli tribe aimed at a Form of "Infinite Pursuit"Gyro's birthplace, Tepe The Lee tribe says there is no limit to iron ball technology. I was trying to apply the concept. Rectangular with ratio 1:1.618 If you rotate it correctly inside, “Yellow.” A locus of a gold rectangle was born, and no Limited rotational energy can be obtained. Johnny's tusk evolved significantly with this rotation.”
now using pure logic, after rotational energy channeled through ta3's body, he evolved into ta4, and as empirically proved by these scans ( stand stats one ) ta4 has better physical stats than ta3, hence it is logical and true to assert that the channeling of rotational energy through tusk's body impacted and enhanced his physical stats, thus rotational energy is an universal energy systemhere

First, here is a statement declaring that Gyro has no abilities other than the two iron balls he uses in combat.

Next, we are told that, in absolute terms, once the energy of rotation is mastered, this energy transforms into a stand.

This implies that once this energy is in its ultimate form and perfectly mastered, a stand is obtained.

“Commented by Hirohiko Araki
A visualization of the energy of a gyro iron ball that transcends dimensions. The iron ball technology also turned into a stand ability in the end. I brought it up to explain that.”

To continue in this vein, my claims are perfectly backed up by the following scans, which explain verbatim how, once the energy is mastered to perfection, one obtains the ability to have a stand.

"Ripple method/iron ball."

“The Stand ability is a powerful talent that only the chosen ones have, and there is no way to compete with ordinary humans. However, it is possible to get close to the ability of a stand by "techniques" that have been honed. The ripple method that appeared in parts 1 and 2 and the iron ball technique in part 7 are techniques that are very close to the stand, and the users use them as weapons against paranormal beings.”

And to conclude this explanation, here is a statement that directly explains how rotational energy is comparable to that of a Stand. Note that this fact is backed up by what was said previously.

“Accumulated 'experience' is the strength of 'technology'. The technology built up by the Zeppeli tribe was comparable to the Stand ability.”here

Backup:
The ultimate art of rotation is to own a stand.

First, let's start at the beginning:

For this first part, I'm going to use the novel co-written by Araki, "Golden Heart, Golden Ring."

This novel is canon, let me explain:
We are told that it captures the essence of JoJo (i.e., the Stands, which can be verified with the definition given on the first page).
But also, because it was co-written by Araki himself, it's interesting to note that it revisits the story he wrote with Giorno in Part 5, but with the addition of new characters.

It is with these elements in mind that I assert that this is indeed a canonical work, but one that is outside the main series.here

In this same novel, we are told that a stand is the physical manifestation of a strong vital energy, that the stand "is the form of vital energy" of a wielder.here

It also states that when a stand uses all of its power (in this context, referring to vital energy), its user dies, which seems rather consistent for a "vital" energy.here

Now, I'm going to link another novel to the canon of the work.
This one is called "The Genesis of Universe" and is once again co-written by Araki.

Here we are told verbatim that this is a canonical story, given that it takes place during part 3 (it seems logical that a canonical story would take place during another, and not that a non-canonical story would take place during a canonical one):

"The foundations were laid. And thus, in the second part, the genius Hirohiko Araki could pick up the Joestar family's strange events through one of their descendants, Joseph, who around the time of the Second World War finds himself taking up the task of saving the world from a menace from the ancient world. With that problem solved, Joseph can peacefully grow old until the day when, in the late half of the 80s, the threat of Dio Brando once again shakes things up for the Joestar family. And with this they develop the mysterious and powerful Stands. It is right during this third part that the two stories of this book take place, that is, while the crusaders are headed to Cairo in the hopes of permanently putting to rest the most evil comic book villains ever created. "

This is supported by the fact that we are told to read this story as a bonus story, making it a special edition but still very much part of the canon.here

It is also interesting to note that the novel follows exactly the same plot line.here

To prove that the power/speed of the stand is directly related to energy and that they are proportional.here

Backup for this too:
__***1. Classification by Range What is a Stand's range?
Stands can generally only be used within a certain range centered on the Stand's owner. The range within which a Stand can operate is conveniently called its "range." Range and Stand power are inversely proportional; the further away from the range, the more the power decreases. This principle applies to almost all Stands. Furthermore, the range should be interpreted as the "effective" range. The Stand does not lose its power the moment it leaves the range, but rather its power gradually decreases within a gradient. The range within which the Stand can effectively operate is called the "effective range." From the perspective of the effective range, all(translate to japaness)***__

Classification by Range
What is the range of a stand?
In principle, a Stand can only be used within a certain range centered on the Stand User. The range within which a Stand can operate is called "Range" for convenience. The Range and Stand Power are inversely related; the further away from the Range, the less powerful the Stand becomes. This principle applies to almost all Stands. The range of a Stand should be interpreted as its "effective" Range. The moment a Stand goes out of Range, it does not lose its power; rather, the "Range" is the Range within which the Stand can operate effectively in a gradually decreasing gradation of power.here

At the same time in the manga, in the desert, there was a sort of "time skip" of hours/days to complete a certain journey, and the novel takes place in the desert...here

To back up and prove this principle within the manga, it is said (when Star Platinum was removed from Jotaro) that Jotaro is "dead," rather than neither dead nor alive, but only Jolyne (his daughter) claims that if he regained his Stand, he would "come back to life."here
 
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That's what I said last time lmao

None of the arguments distinguish them as an UES over an NPES, I asked you what exactly would constitute as such

That's what I said last time lmao

None of the arguments distinguish them as an UES over an NPES, I asked you what exactly would constitute as such
That's what I said last time lmao

None of the arguments distinguish them as an UES over an NPES, I asked you what exactly would constitute as such
Here
For this to be considered a UES, it must correspond to a non-physical energy system. As you say, it continues to be an NPES, but also a UES, because in my panels I showed that Araki said that Gyro explained how rotational energy flows through his body. His energy is transmitted from the lower part of his body to his waist, shoulders, elbows, wrists, and fingers, and his entire body rotates, giving him unbeatable rotational power. He learns the infinite scale of nature, and as I have proven in my panels, the golden rectangle (representation of rotational energy in nature) exists in everything that makes up the universe, including Johnny's body and Ta4's.
Secondly, Ta4 can channel rotational energy through Valentine's body to inflict damage on him. If Ta4 can channel rotational energy through other people's bodies, it stands to reason that he can do so through his own body. So it does indeed correspond to a ues.
 
I frugot so quick reply for now.
Tusk's rotational energy is an physical and universal energy system,
No it isn't.
first an universal energy system aka ues is an type of energy that scale equally all of ur physical stats,
No, it isn't.
the caracteristic of Ues is an energy that channel through ur own body and enhances ur physical stats
This can be part of it, but that isn't what it is.
For my first argument i will prove that rotational energy channel through johnnys body,
Dude this would LITERALLY kill him.
In fact, it almost literally did..
first is this narrator statement explaining verbatim how rotational energy channel through gyro's body :
His energy is transmitted from his lower body to his waist, shoulders, elbows, wrists, and fingers, and his entire body rotates, giving him unbeatable rotational power.
That's... Not what it's saying? It's saying he uses the actual motion to enhance his spin technique? No different from how a baseball player has physical technique and proper posture to enhance the output of the throw.

He learns the "infinite scale" from nature
to back up this argument i will use 2 facts, first, that golden rectangle ( representation of rotational energy in nature ) exists in everything on the universe, including johnnys and ta4s bodies,
This is just straight up wrong.
The Golden Rotation uses nature as a base, because most things in nature are conveyed in the form of the golden ratio, which, spirals down into infinity, as in, a rotation along a spiral curve, that goes on forever. Using that scale as a reference to conduct one's spin technique, makes the spin technique go brrr.
It does not mean everything in nature has some sort of infinite energy, especially not Johnny.
second is that ta4 can make rotational energy channel through valentine's body to damage him, if ta4 can make R.E channel through other peoples bodies, it is logical that he can within his own bodyhere
Yeah he could if he wanted to die, kind of like how Diego literally did that to Johnny and he almost died because of it.
For my second argument i will prove that rotational energy enhanced tusk's physical stats, wich would drawn us to the logical conclusion that the rotational energy that channel through tusk and johnnys bodies is an universal and physical energy system,
No, even if you somehow managed to prove that, it still wouldn't be a UES, it's very explicitly not one even, it would just mean it has stat amps, which it does, using certain techniques like the guard technique or by boosting what is already there like when Gyro made his horse frag a bridge.
the proof is simple, as stated multiple time rotational energy is reponsible for the evolution of ta3 into ta4 :
Yes, and?
As Johnny develop his Spin technique, his Stand, evolves too, much like how Koichi's spirit grows and his Stand evolves in the form of Acts.

“Zeppeli tribe aimed at a Form of "Infinite Pursuit"Gyro's birthplace, Tepe The Lee tribe says there is no limit to iron ball technology. I was trying to apply the concept. Rectangular with ratio 1:1.618 If you rotate it correctly inside, “Yellow.” A locus of a gold rectangle was born, and no Limited rotational energy can be obtained. Johnny's tusk evolved significantly with this rotation.”
Yes, it did, it gained the ability to create what is essentially non-existent voids and wormholes that spiral down to the gap between dimensions. Its actual stats, funnily enough, remained unchanged between Act 2 and 3, it didn't actually get any stronger, it's ability simply become more versatile and unlocked extra facets, making it much more useful.
Which, also acts as a contradiction to your very stance, if it evolved gaining a more potent spin, yet the attack output of it remained static, your whole argument kind of falls apart right there.
now using pure logic, after rotational energy channeled through ta3's body, he evolved into ta4, and as empirically proved by these scans ( stand stats one ) ta4 has better physical stats than ta3, hence it is logical and true to assert that the channeling of rotational energy through tusk's body impacted and enhanced his physical stats, thus rotational energy is an universal energy systemhere
Dude, it has higher stats because it has an actual Stand body and is a combat type now? Before that Tusk was so weak, that it actively hid behind Johnny. This is even stated, you're comflating the nail bullets with the actual Stand, which are like 9-B at most till Act 4.

The worst part of this is that Tusk Act 4's Stand stats DON'T factor in spin, that's just his raw stats.
First, here is a statement declaring that Gyro has no abilities other than the two iron balls he uses in combat.
Which is extremely misleading because said iron balls utilize an ability that leads to hundreds of other abilities. It's basically the same as saying Jonathan doesn't have an ability beyond "breathing", while ignoring breathing leads to Hamon, and Hamon leads to dozens of different things.
Next, we are told that, in absolute terms, once the energy of rotation is mastered, this energy transforms into a stand.
Actually, it's stated to be a "visualization" of said energy, not inherently that very energy.
This implies that once this energy is in its ultimate form and perfectly mastered, a stand is obtained.
Yes, this goes for literally everything ever. Once you master something in JoJo, your expertise in that thing manifests as a Stand, whether it be cooking or writing, and in this case, spin. This is stated multiple times.
“Commented by Hirohiko Araki
A visualization of the energy of a gyro iron ball that transcends dimensions. The iron ball technology also turned into a stand ability in the end. I brought it up to explain that.”

To continue in this vein, my claims are perfectly backed up by the following scans, which explain verbatim how, once the energy is mastered to perfection, one obtains the ability to have a stand.

"Ripple method/iron ball."

“The Stand ability is a powerful talent that only the chosen ones have, and there is no way to compete with ordinary humans. However, it is possible to get close to the ability of a stand by "techniques" that have been honed. The ripple method that appeared in parts 1 and 2 and the iron ball technique in part 7 are techniques that are very close to the stand, and the users use them as weapons against paranormal beings.”
Stop using bad machine translation.
Regardless, why are you going on about stuff that doesn't matter? Mastering a technique to gain a Stand isn't going to help or prove anything, that's just how Stands work as a whole. That's how Kendo got his Stand or how Tonio got his, they mastered an art form.
And to conclude this explanation, here is a statement that directly explains how rotational energy is comparable to that of a Stand. Note that this fact is backed up by what was said previously.

“Accumulated 'experience' is the strength of 'technology'. The technology built up by the Zeppeli tribe was comparable to the Stand ability.”here
Yes, this is saying that Gyro, who lacked a Stand, could use his spin technique to battle Stands throughout the events of Part 7?
Yes as with everything ever, mastering something leads to a Stand ability based around the mastered artform. The goal of Spin cumulates in obtaining a Stand, much like how mastering Hamon could lead to a Stand. But is Hermit Purple stronger than all Hamon ever? Of course not.
Also stop with bad machine translations.
First, let's start at the beginning:

For this first part, I'm going to use the novel co-written by Araki, "Golden Heart, Golden Ring."
No you aren't bro, you need hard evidence it's usable.
This novel is canon, let me explain:
We are told that it captures the essence of JoJo (i.e., the Stands, which can be verified with the definition given on the first page).
But also, because it was co-written by Araki himself, it's interesting to note that it revisits the story he wrote with Giorno in Part 5, but with the addition of new characters.

It is with these elements in mind that I assert that this is indeed a canonical work, but one that is outside the main series.here
You need more proof than "hey they didnt completely ruin it". Worst part is that one is secondary canon, your reasoning for it just doesnt matter tho...
In this same novel, we are told that a stand is the physical manifestation of a strong vital energy, that the stand "is the form of vital energy" of a wielder.here
And that's already wrong as Stands aren't physical? In that novel either, actually. We're told theyre noncorporal.
Also bad translation.
It also states that when a stand uses all of its power (in this context, referring to vital energy), its user dies, which seems rather consistent for a "vital" energy.here
Bad translation.
Also, that's not even the context...
Now, I'm going to link another novel to the canon of the work.
This one is called "The Genesis of Universe" and is once again co-written by Araki.
Ok now you're just making things up? Araki had nothing to do with that one, actually thinking on it he didn't have anything to do with the prior novel either. He just kind of liked that one.
Here we are told verbatim that this is a canonical story, given that it takes place during part 3 (it seems logical that a canonical story would take place during another, and not that a non-canonical story would take place during a canonical one):
Yes, it takes place during Part 3, and GT takes place after Z, and MGS GB takes place after Mg2.
Taking place within a canon timeframe doesnt mean it's canon itself.
"The foundations were laid. And thus, in the second part, the genius Hirohiko Araki could pick up the Joestar family's strange events through one of their descendants, Joseph, who around the time of the Second World War finds himself taking up the task of saving the world from a menace from the ancient world. With that problem solved, Joseph can peacefully grow old until the day when, in the late half of the 80s, the threat of Dio Brando once again shakes things up for the Joestar family. And with this they develop the mysterious and powerful Stands. It is right during this third part that the two stories of this book take place, that is, while the crusaders are headed to Cairo in the hopes of permanently putting to rest the most evil comic book villains ever created. "

This is supported by the fact that we are told to read this story as a bonus story, making it a special edition but still very much part of the canon.here
People really need to start to differentiate between "hey read this novel" and "this is actively canon".

Genesis can't be canon, its events contradict the actual timeline of Part 3.
It is also interesting to note that the novel follows exactly the same plot line.here

To prove that the power/speed of the stand is directly related to energy and that they are proportional.here
Yes, stands have a range ruleset?
Backup for this too:
__***1. Classification by Range What is a Stand's range?
Stands can generally only be used within a certain range centered on the Stand's owner. The range within which a Stand can operate is conveniently called its "range." Range and Stand power are inversely proportional; the further away from the range, the more the power decreases. This principle applies to almost all Stands. Furthermore, the range should be interpreted as the "effective" range. The Stand does not lose its power the moment it leaves the range, but rather its power gradually decreases within a gradient. The range within which the Stand can effectively operate is called the "effective range." From the perspective of the effective range, all(translate to japaness)***__

Classification by Range
What is the range of a stand?
In principle, a Stand can only be used within a certain range centered on the Stand User. The range within which a Stand can operate is called "Range" for convenience. The Range and Stand Power are inversely related; the further away from the Range, the less powerful the Stand becomes. This principle applies to almost all Stands. The range of a Stand should be interpreted as its "effective" Range. The moment a Stand goes out of Range, it does not lose its power; rather, the "Range" is the Range within which the Stand can operate effectively in a gradually decreasing gradation of power.here
Bro, are you trying to say because the novel uses one of the basic premises of a Stand, it's canon? That's like saying Hatchiyack is canon to Super because the former has ki function as intended?
At the same time in the manga, in the desert, there was a sort of "time skip" of hours/days to complete a certain journey, and the novel takes place in the desert...here
Why'd you ignore the second fight that takes place when they get to Cairo over a day's time but in the manga we know they only waited a few hours without moving nor having fought?
Also, the Absalom fight took place over 48 hours, that creates a timeline inconsistency with the proceeding canon fights and the date of Dio's death.
To back up and prove this principle within the manga, it is said (when Star Platinum was removed from Jotaro) that Jotaro is "dead," rather than neither dead nor alive, but only Jolyne (his daughter) claims that if he regained his Stand, he would "come back to life."here


Dude, ngl, I don't even know wtf you're arguing for half of these. Most of these is just saying something, and then saying that thing supports a UES, which it doesn't. Stands very much DON'T work on a UES btw (stopping time itself, is said to take about as much energy as controlling a town of corpses, this shit isn't equatable). Stands do what they're designed to do, and they do their one thing really well, and not said things badly. There can be caveats and exceptions, but that just proves the point further, Stands work a specific way, and it varies by each particular Stand. There can be umbrella rules, like power types being strong but short range, long range ones often being weaker, but that's just typing and don't effect the actual individual stats.

You keep arguing about how Spin, a widly unique ability with dozens of implementations, is a UES, and ya know, hell maybe Spin IS a UES, but the Spin itself, is not Tusk. Tusk is the guardian of the saint's arm, Johnny just obtained it as a Stand guardian, and through mastering it, adopted it as essentially his very own, but unlike Gyro's Stand, it inherently has nothing to do with spin.

Does it evolve due to spin though? Yes, because that's what Johny focuses in, and as his spirit grows alongside his technique, his Stand grows with it, this applies to basically any Stand ever fyi.
Does his Stand get power boosts from it? Yes, Act 1 into Act 2 is specifically stated to be many times stronger, this is because the golden ratio itself, enhances the spin technique by many times (Applies to Gyro's Non-Stand Steel Balls as well), the actual Stand body, the Stand itself, is still extremely weak and actively weaker than Johnny himself though, the boosted attack simply applies to his nails, which uses that very spin.
Act 2 into Act 3? No known power boost, effectively and functionally the same, it's simply an extra ability and hax added to it.
Act 3 into Act 4? Yeah it's way stronger, but you're conflating it getting an A in power, with the IR amping it to infinite levels of physicality for some reason? (Which def isn't true, D4C could tank a few punches even if they ****** him up), but that A is because it's no longer this cowardly pissweak Stand and is instead this roided out active power type Stand, which, usually almost always have an A in power, and the n proceeds to manhandle this OTHER power type Stand who has a A in power.
Now is the IR High 3-A? Yeah probably. Can Tusk Act 4 utilize the IR offensively? Yeah probably.
Is Tusk Act 4's punching the same as the IR? Not even remotely.

The other stuff doesn't even make sense, it's just you quoting dubiously non canon novels, and saying vital energy = UES, when that's not even what the scans saying to begin with. Like yeah, Jotaro and Pol being weakened, weakened their Stands, and when they're rested up they aren't as weak?
Or yeah using up one's life force is going to kill you? That's just common sense?

You're acting like these disconnected things that don't even support the base claim, somehow come together to prove a UES, when all they do is prove... Basic common sense?

And mind you let's not get into the billion things that prove Stands don't work on a real UES, like blowing up time itself? Easy, passive, takes zero energy (because it's a Stand specialized in doing exactly that, meanwhile it's actual physical body actually weakens from a A to a B in power despite it's Stand ability growing stronger by magnitudes of infinity), somehow takes less effort than freezing air down to almost AZ in a few meter AOE (like 8-C feat), a thing that actively guzzles bro's stand energy pool, but it doesn't actually do anything besides that, his stats don't get any higher when active, also don't get any LOWER either, it's basically just a stamina thing.
Or what about the cases where a Stand's physicality is hard stated to be way weaker than a specific ability? Like HG is noted to be extremely weak yet Emerald Splash is noted to be extremely strong? Or I noticed how you quoted the Stand range yap, but why'd you cut out the line that says "abilities are exempt from this"? That kind of shuts down the entire premise of the thread?
 
This can be part of it, but that isn't what it is.
How this can not be part of the VSBW in the VSBW page Ues clearly says word for word "To be eligible for a Universal Energy System and allow its power to be adjusted according to that system, a character or the system they use must meet all the criteria of a Non-Physical Energy System. In addition, they must demonstrate their ability to channel their power through their own body in order to amplify it in a quantifiable way or to allow their supernatural powers to be adjusted through their physical abilities. There must therefore be evidence that an increase in power/energy corresponds to a proportional increase in the power of their physical statistics." and for the application of statistics "Universal Energy Systems (also known as Universal Power Systems or Connective Energy Systems) are systems in which a feat, whether it relates to physical statistics (Strike Force or Resistance) or supernatural powers (e.g., energy beams), also applies to all other statistics. Thus, if a character masters a Building-level fireball spell, it is assumed that they have at least Building-level Strike Force, Attack Power, and Resistance. If they master other spells, such as water blades, it is assumed that they can deploy similar attack power with those spells."
 
Dude this would LITERALLY kill him.
In fact, it almost literally did
When he almost died like he unblocked the infinite rotation it was against funny Valentine so tell me show me that the infinite rotation almost killed him
 
That's... Not what it's saying? It's saying he uses the actual motion to enhance his spin technique? No different from how a baseball player has physical technique and proper posture to enhance the output of the throw.
I don't know if you read that right, but Araki made it clear that the simple technique went into stand so that once the energy of the balls is mastered the latter turns into a stand

And to conclude this explanation, here is a statement that directly explains how rotational energy is comparable to that of a Stand. Note that this fact is backed up by what was previously said.

"Accumulated 'experience' is the strength of 'technology'. The technology built up by the Zeppeli tribe was comparable to the Stand ability. if Gyro mastered the balls to make gyro a stand
 
This is just straight up wrong.
The Golden Rotation uses nature as a base, because most things in nature are conveyed in the form of the golden ratio, which, spirals down into infinity, as in, a rotation along a spiral curve, that goes on forever. Using that scale as a reference to conduct one's spin technique, makes the spin technique go brrr.
It does not mean everything in nature has some sort of infinite energy, especially not Johnny.
It is inspired by nature and by being inspired we learn to have infinite power all this through the mastery of golden rotation. From the lower body by transmitting the energy acquired through the hips, shoulders, elbows, wrists and fingers we unlock an invincible power as Gyro says. Second, Ta4 can channel rotational energy through Valentine's body to inflict damage. If Ta4 can channel rotational energy through other people's bodies, it makes sense that he can do so through his own body.
 
Yeah he could if he wanted to die, kind of like how Diego literally did that to Johnny and he almost died because of it.
Give me proof that Johnny can die because of this because Johnny has passed through Valentine's body the Rotational energy to cause him damage so if how he does it to himself it is illogical but it is logical that can let him pass through his body in any case he is not dead so no Theory
 
No, even if you somehow managed to prove that, it still wouldn't be a UES, it's very explicitly not one even, it would just mean it has stat amps, which it does, using certain techniques like the guard technique or by boosting what is already there like when Gyro made his horse frag a bridge.
Proves what? But amplification is part of the SIU definition that is factual: "There must therefore be evidence that an increase in power/energy corresponds to a proportional increase in the power of its physical statistics." Here it is said word for word So if Johnny evolved into a Therme if ta read the panels his statistics were amplified as dis in the panel via his Rotational energy
 
Yes, and?
As Johnny develop his Spin technique, his Stand, evolves too, much like how Koichi's spirit grows and his Stand evolves in the form of Acts.
But it is literally said in front of your eyes lol that it is via its rotational energy so if it has evolved its stand also because its energy is the stand by dint of evolving with the rotating energy it will transform into tusk act 4
 
Yes, it did, it gained the ability to create what is essentially non-existent voids and wormholes that spiral down to the gap between dimensions. Its actual stats, funnily enough, remained unchanged between Act 2 and 3, it didn't actually get any stronger, it's ability simply become more versatile and unlocked extra facets, making it much more useful.
Which, also acts as a contradiction to your very stance, if it evolved gaining a more potent spin, yet the attack output of it remained static, your whole argument kind of falls apart right there.
This contradicts nothing at all because if his techniques are not via rotation but for Example Tusk act 4 Araki said that he evolved via rotation which is totally different from what you say so not if it is statistical remains unchanged this is not a contradiction Son ues has not developed but for tusk act 4 if the stats have increased enormously
 
Dude, it has higher stats because it has an actual Stand body and is a combat type now? Before that Tusk was so weak, that it actively hid behind Johnny. This is even stated, you're comflating the nail bullets with the actual Stand, which are like 9-B at most till Act 4.

The worst part of this is that Tusk Act 4's Stand stats DON'T factor in spin, that's just his raw stats.
Using logic alone, after the rotational energy has been channeled through the body of ta3, it has evolved into ta4, and as these (basic statistics) scans empirically prove, ta4 has better physical statistics than ta3. It is therefore logical and true to say that the channeling of rotational energy through Tusk's body had an impact on his physical statistics and improved them. So rotational energy is a universal energy system. But it just makes sense that his raw statistics are increased because the statistics are raw whether it's in the VSBW or Part 7 but it's statistics have increased via his rotational energy which fits well into the argument that it's a ues
 
Which is extremely misleading because said iron balls utilize an ability that leads to hundreds of other abilities. It's basically the same as saying Jonathan doesn't have an ability beyond "breathing", while ignoring breathing leads to Hamon, and Hamon leads to dozens of different things.

But Dude Joseph through his breathing has output his energy for the stand and with this energy he can do many things I do not what you say
 
Actually, it's stated to be a "visualization"


No, because it never says it's a visualization of energy because the stand is even an energy so your case I don't know what it means but in my panel "It's a visualization of the energy of Gyro's iron ball, able to cross dimensions. This iron ball technology also later became a Stand power. I made it appear to explain this." That is to say that the Ball is a Gyro output
 
Yes, this goes for literally everything ever. Once you master something in JoJo, your expertise in that thing manifests as a Stand, whether it be cooking or writing, and in this case, spin. This is stated multiple times.
You have not yet understood that basic iron balls are a technique he had no Devil's Palms or as you want he had because he mastered rotational energy
 
Stop using bad machine translation.
Regardless, why are you going on about stuff that doesn't matter? Mastering a technique to gain a Stand isn't going to help or prove anything, that's just how Stands work as a whole. That's how Kendo got his Stand or how Tonio got his, they mastered an art form.
I use deepl and if the word transcandancer of derange it is that Gyro as you must know his stand crosses the dimensions And it is never said that If you master something you have a stand it is just inspired by it is transmitted either via the Arrow or the family but if we take Heavens the door it is Via the Arrow it has nothing of the mastered just the Arrow but Gyro he has mastered the rotational energy to go to Stand it is totally different, so you bring no argument and say the words of the Arrow Things without evidence
 
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