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The Weakest Spriggan (Staff Needed)

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In an interview with Hiro Mashima, a question was asked: What are the power rankings of the Spriggan 12? This question would usually be fine as it was believed that most Spriggans were relatively equal in power to one another, with the higher-end Spriggan being equal to Etherion with various power-ups. However, according to a statement in the interview, Mashima states that Wall is the weakest Spriggan and since he is the backbone of our Spriggan scaling, as he can fire Etherion, the High 6-A calc in the current scaling chain, we have to review how this affects out current High 6-A scaling chain.


The biggest question on everyone's mind is, "Does the source material support this?" And I believe it to be so. Wall has only one real fight and a minor skirmish in the series. He briefly fought Kagura, who easily destroyed his missiles. This same Kagura was overwhelmed by Dimaria's Magic power and would be hurt by an attack from Neinhart; she also failed to do much to Larcade, only able to block his initial volley of light blades. When she went to attack him directly, her blade was stopped numerous times by his fingers and was then one-shot by him. So, being overpowered by Kagura does not do Wall any favors.

His Fight with Laxus is quite interesting, as many factors are at play. First, there is a clear power gap between a Healthy Laxus and Laxus when the anti-Magic particles in his body weaken him. Laxus, when he is at his best, is capable of one-shotting Ajeel; August states as much. However, Laxus doesn't one-shot Wall in their fight. This seems like an anti-feat for either the statement or Laxus. But as with everything, there's missing context. Wall is stated numerous times to be immune to Laxus's lightning. Without it, he likely would have been one-shot by Laxus early in the fight. When comparing attack power, Wall's magic bullets were easily stopped by Laxus's passive Aura, something that took Kagura a named attack to destroy. Moments after this, Laxus starts feeling the effects of the Anti-magic in his body again, something Wall can't believe Laxus can even survive, let alone continue to fight in the top class of Fairy Tail at the time. The Anti-Magic in his system is weakening Laxus so much that he cannot move his body, and even breathing is a struggle. Yet, he could take many of Wall's attacks and counterattack at several points in the fight. Despite the damage he sustained from the anti-magic and Wall's onslaught, immediately after being cured from the anti-magic, he proceeds to one-shot Wall with his red lightning, which bypasses Wall's immunity to his lightning. So clearly, Wall doesn't scale to Laxus in their fight, as he can only do minor damage when Laxus is on his deathbed, with most of the actual damage he sustains being from the anti-magic particles in his system.

With the Wall stuff out of the way, what will the scaling look like now?

The Current Scaling goes as Follows:

Wall is the starting baseline for the Spriggans, as he is the weakest of them. So, anyone who scales to him becomes 20.1 Petatons. The new scaling should go as follows:
Conclusion:
Overall, these are just some updated ratings. The only tier changes are that the 6-As get bumped into High 6-A, while everyone in High 6-A remains in High 6-A. Just with a value change, Wall's justification needs to be altered, as he's the weakest spriggan. God Serena and God Soul: Chronos Dimaria become comparable to Larcade, and any scaling to them will likewise also be changed to reflect as such.
 
Why is Assault Mode Wall the one that all of the other Spriggan are compared to and not just base Wall?
Mashima's wording specifies that he is the weakest and at the bottom of the list in terms of power, it would be pretty disingenuous to assume that mashima was only referring to specifically his normal form and not assault mode in a pretty clear cut power ranking.

This case could be made had mashima differentiated between forms with the other characters, but he doesn't so we shouldn't assume wall to be a special case.
 
Mashima's wording specifies that he is the weakest and at the bottom of the list in terms of power, it would be pretty disingenuous to assume that mashima was only referring to specifically his normal form and not assault mode in a pretty clear cut power ranking.

This case could be made had mashima differentiated between forms with the other characters, but he doesn't so we shouldn't assume wall to be a special case.
So, there's no specific reason to? It's just a "why not", as far as I can tell.

I wouldn't say the power ranking is that clear-cut when there's special abilities and forms to take into account, which a generalized list may gloss over. I wouldn't assume that Dimaria's weakest attack > Wall's strongest attack in his strongest form just based off that list.
 
So, there's no specific reason to? It's just a "why not", as far as I can tell.

I wouldn't say the power ranking is that clear-cut when there's special abilities and forms to take into account, which a generalized list may gloss over. I wouldn't assume that Dimaria's weakest attack > Wall's strongest attack in his strongest form just based off that list.
Fairy tail is a clear cut UES, if a characters power is greater than someone else's. Then they scale above them. Mashima and the series itself pretty clearly shows Wall to not be that strong based on the feats presented compared to the other spriggans.

With the additional context presented in the series itself, Do you disagree that Wall is the weakest spriggan, if so what feats point to him being stronger than his fellow spriggans. So far almost all of his feats put him below one of the weakest fighters in kagura, who's feats already put her below Neinhart who's basic magic attack was gonna oneshot her, which required jellal to take the hit for her.
 
I don't have the attention span to read everything but Assault Wall scales to Etherion and others at their best (someone like Ajeel doesn't have modes) definitely scale higher in magic power.

Wall was the only guy Hiro specifically listed as the weakest inspite of Etherion.
 
Fairy tail is a clear cut UES, if a characters power is greater than someone else's. Then they scale above them. Mashima and the series itself pretty clearly shows Wall to not be that strong based on the feats presented compared to the other spriggans.

With the additional context presented in the series itself, Do you disagree that Wall is the weakest spriggan, if so what feats point to him being stronger than his fellow spriggans. So far almost all of his feats put him below one of the weakest fighters in kagura, who's feats already put her below Neinhart who's basic magic attack was gonna oneshot her, which required jellal to take the hit for her.
The Etherion is not just a typical attack of Wall's though; he has to run a special generator for it and it's a utilized in a combat form that is above his ordinary statistics. Fairy Tail being a UES doesn't negate that added context.

Wall can be not that strong generally and still have a special attack that scales above his ordinary statistics.
 
Not to derail here but idk why Wahl’s himself is scaling to an attack that can is literally his ultimate attack yet he and Laxus was going blow to blow who isn’t even High 6A himself. The God tiers should be scaling to the High 6A not everyone and their mother
It's not like it's killing him to use it, he charges it very casually with one hand, he simply wanted to end the fight with Laxus, most of the other spriggans don't even have an "ultimate move" anyways yet are still considered stronger by mashima.

Other characters have country destroying statements like brandish and even considering the more modestly sized countries in the Fairy tail verse are contintinental in size, it pretty clear that the spriggans scale to this level.
 
I leave for two seconds and I have folks saying Spriggans don’t scale to Etherion anymore?

Everything Zackra said is correct. Peak Jacob scales above Peak Wall and Jacob only has physicals. Generating Etherion casually is pretty normal for Spriggans considering Brandish herself has a bunch of country destroying statements. Also Irene and August pretty casually effecting all of Fiore by themselves. The narrative is pretty clear here… Also AOE fallacy for a lot of this stuff. I mean FT has the most direct Universal Power System ever. Most of the strongest attacks in the verse are a freaking wall level punch for God’s sake. Saying we don’t see other characters display the same level of AOE don’t mean much. Zeref puts more energy and effort into a super punch than Neo Eclipse, which resets the goddamn Universe
 
What’s wild is I used to think Wall was one of the stronger Spriggans and I had to go out of my way to justify scaling some of the weaker ones to him, but now that Hiro has 100% confirmed he’s the weakest, we now scale everyone who fought a Spriggan to that level considering a bunch of Spriggans rely on physical attacks
 
What’s wild is I used to think Wall was one of the stronger Spriggans and I had to go out of my way to justify scaling some of the weaker ones to him, but now that Hiro has 100% confirmed he’s the weakest, we now scale everyone who fought a Spriggan to that level considering a bunch of Spriggans rely on physical attacks
 
What’s wild is I used to think Wall was one of the stronger Spriggans and I had to go out of my way to justify scaling some of the weaker ones to him, but now that Hiro has 100% confirmed he’s the weakest, we now scale everyone who fought a Spriggan to that level considering a bunch of Spriggans rely on physical attacks
The Etherion is as far as I'm aware the second-highest calc in the verse, and the highest in the main series (not counting the 100 Years Quest). It'd just help a lot if some of these numerous Spriggan-level characters had feats living up to this scaling. I get complaining about AOE fallacy, but what ends up happening is it looks like a bunch of characters scale to something they'd never be able to replicate on their own - though this isn't a problem unique to Fairy Tail by any means.
 
I know; it makes the character's rate higher.
You are so corny dude oh my god I am so glad your way of scaling things will always be unpopular. There are Spriggans who don't have higher forms like Brandish and Jacob who would naturally scale above Assault Mode Wall from this statement and Base Dimaria already scales to (if not above) Brandish anyway, this scaling is super self-evident given this statement and the problems you have with it fall under AOE Fallacy stuff that you acknowledge but still try to force the issue anyway. And nothing suggests Etherion is a move that doesn't scale to Wall, he's gathering the magic himself and it's not like a burden on his physical body to do the attack or whatever.

This is extremely obvious to anyone without an underlying agenda so I agree we with the OP
 
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You are so corny dude oh my god I am so glad your way of scaling things will always be unpopular.
The sarcasm didn't come through well. I wasn't making a serious accusation that supporters only rated things that way to achieve higher ratings. It's just a well-known joke at this point.
 
It still doesn’t negate the fact that apprently because Wahl could create his Etherion cannon means he’s overall High 6A when in reality that is his ultimate attack. He never displayed that type of power where him and Laxus wasn’t even close to displaying anything above 6A, let it also be known that Laxus was freaking out when Wahl’s even pulled out that attack so again why are they even scaling to it? God tiers are the ones who should be scaling to it and heck it was said to use the cannon against Acno cause it was that strong to take him on during that time, no one else
 
You actually just did not address anything. Like how there's nothing in FT that indicates this move doesn't scale to Wall's stats, or how Brandish has such country-destroying statements of her own, etc.

Let's not go back to the pre-2020 days, yeah? I thought we were past this. Hell it's not even the point of the OP so honestly it's kinda derailing
 
It still doesn’t negate the fact that apprently because Wahl could create his Etherion cannon means he’s overall High 6A when in reality that is his ultimate attack. He never displayed that type of power where him and Laxus wasn’t even close to displaying anything above 6A, let it also be known that Laxus was freaking out when Wahl’s even pulled out that attack so again why are they even scaling to it? God tiers are the ones who should be scaling to it and heck it was said to use the cannon against Acno cause it was that strong to take him on during that time, no one else
It has been a few since I last read fairy tail, but like, outside of the laxus stuff (and im pretty sure he was nerfed so it still be a bit iffy), the fact that he, as a whole, is weaker than the other spriggan makes all of that irrelevant.
Because, even if he, by himself, does not scale to etherion, an atack that he has, the others should still scale above since etherion still is in his arsenal. Brandish and those that dont have transformations or an ultimate move should upscale and if the ones that do have an transformation scale to the other ones without transformin then thats that.
 
Are these votes not enough?
Mitch is a retired staff member and Clover is a Calculation Group Member, so neither of their opinions are considered proper evaluations (sadly, but it's how the system is structured). Damage is the only person here whose evaluation ultimately matters since he is an active mod, who is also an Admin. So there is one mod disagreeing, which isn't enough to say this thread has been rejected. We need more mod participation, specifically from Thread Mods and Admins.
 
I want to mention something for Dragon Cry. Japanese don't really use dozens, they use tens of times. So that dozens is probably a translation thing and likely Dragon Cry needs to be changed to 20 times instead of 24 times. Of course raw audio should be shown to a translation helper.
 
Damage is the only person here whose evaluation ultimately matters since he is an active mod, who is also an Admin. So there is one mod disagreeing, which isn't enough to say this thread has been rejected.
I haven't cast a disagree vote in any of my posts. I'm neutral on this currently. Waiting to see more arguments and posts.
 
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