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The Weakest Spriggan (Staff Needed)

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LET US HAVE OUR UPGRADES VSBW

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The OP seems reasonable, but overall I'd suggest having a TL;DR and maybe spoiler tabs, because the OP is very long and many staff probably look at it and then get overwhelmed. The fact that all the ratings are an endless barrage of 6-A tiering and naming characters who are unknown to those who don't know the verse doesn't help staff to read it either.

Also, remind me after New Year's and I'll ping some mods. I'd rather not ping them during the holidays.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
The OP seems reasonable, but overall I'd suggest having a TL;DR and maybe spoiler tabs, because the OP is very long and many staff probably look at it and then get overwhelmed. The fact that all the ratings are an endless barrage of 6-A tiering and naming characters who are unknown to those who don't know the verse doesn't help staff to read it either.

Also, remind me after New Year's and I'll ping some mods. I'd rather not ping them during the holidays.
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I already have that in place with the conclusion section, as it goes over the major profile changes, without all the number jargon.

It's also not that long... FT is just not liked on the wiki, which has kinda always been the case.
 
Zackra1799 said:
I already have that in place with the conclusion section, as it goes over the major profile changes, without all the number jargon.
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It doesn't stand out very much, especially after most readers inevitably skip all the stuff above. I had to force myself not to, to be honest.
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It's also not that long... FT is just not liked on the wiki, which has kinda always been the case.
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It is long, I'm sorry to say. And repetitive enough that most people's brains instinctively want to skip through it.

Case in point, I support FT, I know who the characters named are, I like the series, I'm attempting to help finish the thread, and yet I still struggled to stay engaged reading it and ended up skipping small parts here and there. A casual observer, especially one that barely knows the verse, will find it hard to evaluate.
 
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And here I thought the Kamen Riders were having it hard...
If you have any staff in mind, I could try and help you summon them.
 
DailyFairy said:
How bad is it for you guys
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Tier 1 showa scaling has currently been afloat for a month. You know it's a problem when staff don't evaluate tier 1 stuff (the most important stuff) at all. Not really, since Firestorm did check up on stuff early on, but never agreed or disagreed. AFAIK, we're still in square one. This is also important because we have crossover scaling, and any riders that crossovered with these grampas get tier 1 stats.

This straightforward and self-evident bike crt took a week to get accepted. And the start of Saber CRTs took two weeks to finish.

If you think this isn't bad, keep in mind that we have a boatload of very important crts to ship here that have the big guns like metaphysics and some other tier 1 shit. Also loads of separate Rider series revisions because (and I kid you not) 90% of Kamen Rider profiles are outdated and dogwater. It's (and will be) pretty bad for us, so we (mostly I right now) sympathize with your problems.

EDIT: Forgor links
 
I only sort of know Fairy Tail, but this thread is over 150 posts long.
What's the current points of contention?
 
Imaginym said:
I only sort of know Fairy Tail, but this thread is over 150 posts long.
What's the current points of contention?
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Yeah I too require a summary or rather is the OP up to date with any current arguments?
 
Imaginym said:
I only sort of know Fairy Tail, but this thread is over 150 posts long.
What's the current points of contention?
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Dalesean027 said:
Yeah I too require a summary or rather is the OP up to date with any current arguments?
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To break it down as simply as possible

Mashima (the mangaka) did an interview and gave the Spriggan 12 (the final bosses of og FT) a canonical hierarchy of power

Wall, one of the Spriggan, is now the weakest. Wall has the magic power to fire the Etherion Cannon (we have a calc on the site for it's average power) and essentially with that, the rest of the Spriggan 12 (and any characters above/relative to them) get a change in the value they scale to

The only tier changes for characters would be anyone from 6-A going to High 6-A and anyone at High 6-A stays at High 6-A, but with a higher value and a slight change in justifications
 
Imaginym said:
I only sort of know Fairy Tail, but this thread is over 150 posts long.
What's the current points of contention?
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Dalesean027 said:
Yeah I too require a summary or rather is the OP up to date with any current arguments?
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Most of these posts are bumps, the thread hasn't progressed in several months.

But essentially what daily said is correct, the mangaka gave us a power ranking for the spriggan 12, Wall was originally thought to be higher on the power rankings in the spriggan 12, however with this recent interview we now know that Wall is in fact the weakest of the group.

The thread just goes over the scaling changes for the various characters reflecting wall now being the weakest spriggan
 
Personally I'm not convinced that it is everyone's base level of power should be scaled to Wall's Etherion cannon which is by all accounts his strongest attack in his strongest combat form. That's why I'm not in favor of it so far.
 
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strongest combat form
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Already addressed this earlier in the thread, but Assault Wall is not a boost in power, it's a personality override

FT power (for wizards) has always been based on who has the bigger magic pool and considering Wall isn't even fazed by the charging or attempted firing, this wouldn't even be an ultimate move. Just overkill on a sick weakened opponent
 
DailyFairy said:
Already addressed this earlier in the thread, but Assault Wall is not a boost in power, it's a personality override

FT power (for wizards) has always been based on who has the bigger magic pool and considering Wall isn't even fazed by the charging or attempted firing, this wouldn't even be an ultimate move. Just overkill on a sick weakened opponent
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A character doesn't need to appear exhausted or tired by a charged move for it to be superior to their other attacks.
 
Damage3245 said:
A character doesn't need to appear exhausted or tired by a charged move for it to be superior to their other attacks.
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What takes the council an hour to charge took him 3 panels. He's got more than enough magic to power it

The other Spriggan have more magic, making them stronger than Wall. It's one of the clearest UES' you can get

Unless you think the statement in question by the guy who wrote and drew it didn't take into account everything his own characters had at their disposal to establish a hierarchy

Which is ridiculous
 
Damage3245 said:
Personally I'm not convinced that it is everyone's base level of power should be scaled to Wall's Etherion cannon which is by all accounts his strongest attack in his strongest combat form. That's why I'm not in favor of it so far.
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Mashima doesn't distinguish the various forms the spriggans have in the statement, mashima is using wall to establish a baseline of power for the spriggans, this is why wall being established as the weakest makes sense.

Characters like brandish also have country destroying statements, not to dissimilar to Etherion which has the main country level feat, Brandish isnt at all in the high tier of the spriggans. She was easily dealt with by base dimaria, who is near the top of the list, was weaker than an enhanced neinhart, who was oneshot by Natsu, and is comparable to Star Dress Lucy in terms of magic power, lucy scales to jacob another mid tier spriggan. Base mira could fight jacob but was fodder to both Irene and August.

The scaling mashima presents is very much in line with the current feats we have for the spriggans. We just didn't have enough feats scaling wall to the other spriggans before this statement, this just solidifies his placement in the scaling, which just so happens to be at the bottom.
 
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