Undertale Calculations - 90% of them are wrong

[Rodriiogo]

Use like 20m/s on it

 

[Qurbonboev]

The shaking version is fine though I disagree with the LS part of it, as said above its done with an unknown amount of vines whilst also not even actually taking account the work flowey actually would have done. It calculates the raw force in newtons of elevators shaking which like would be fine if we actually went through the next step of calculating the actual amount of distance the work over to scale to floweys LS but since we don't actually see it its basically just inflated and should be discarded

No genuinely, wtf are you talking about? Calc already measured raw force in newtons(c), what else do you need?

Yeah (with the updated speed)

Updated

 

[ElJoaki5]

Updated

Put the ke in the same blog too and we can call it a day

 

[Qurbonboev]

Put the ke in the same blog too and we can call it a day

Updated.
And no, I am still certain that shaking should be usable for LS, since it's result of pushing and pulling, done by Flowey. And Dalesean objection to it still doesn't make sense

 

[StrymULTRA]

It calculates the raw force in newtons of elevators shaking which like would be fine if we actually went through the next step of calculating the actual amount of distance the work over to scale to floweys LS but since we don't actually see it its basically just inflated and should be discarded

Don't we literally see the distance it moves between shakes though?

 

[KingTempest]

I've been told to close this, is it done?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I've been told to close this, is it done?

No wtf, who told you this.

 

[KingTempest]

No wtf, who told you this.

Names will not be mentioned

 

[Mommyleona]

No wtf, who told you this.

it has enough votes to be closed, why wouldnt it be over?

 

[StrymULTRA]

it has enough votes to be closed, why wouldnt it be over?

There is still a discussion going on, don't you see that?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I've been told to close this, is it done?

Absolutely not.

Don't worry, I'm following the discussion.

 

[KingTempest]

Absolutely not.

Don't worry, I'm following the discussion.

Understood. Sorry about that. Continue

 

[Rodriiogo]

Well for me close it whenever. (Ig when this random new calc ends idk)
My points in the OP and the point of the actual thread for me is over since the deletion/recalc of the calcs is already decided.

The discussion is now about another calc which comes from shaking the elevator being valid for LS or not which has nothing to do with my thread and I have 0 opinion on it.
(Just saying so I don't get asked)

 

[Dalesean027]

Wdym?!? Raw force in newtons of elevators shaking is LS. We need to do Force = Work/Distance if calc measured joules of work (instead of newtons). But since calc measured newtons of force (by multiplying acceleration to mass) we don't need to do it at all

Yeah that's my b, I looked at that much earlier today when I was going into my work shift

No genuinely, wtf are you talking about? Calc already measured raw force in newtons(c), what else do you need?

damn was this much attitude warranted from a that comment? I made a mistake while busy and going into work for the day **** off man, i'm busy enough as is you're lucky I even decided to comment in here

Don't we literally see the distance it moves between shakes though?

shaking distance isn't indicative to the actual work Flowey physically does himself so that wouldn't really matter, it'd work as a highball ig since we don't see how much movement flowey himself needed to do to accomplish the feat but regardless Qurbon is right he didn't do Joules first actually so the distance for Flowey's work doesn't need to be taken into account here even though I still find it odd to scale the raw shaking to LS

 

[Qurbonboev]

damn was this much attitude warranted from a that comment?

My bad, wasn't in the best mood myself. Still shouldn't have been lashing out.

So, LS end for the calc works, isn't?(i would prefer if some CGM did commented as such there)

I still find it odd to scale the raw shaking to LS

Usually shaking feats are done via strikes, so they don't count for LS. But this one is done via pushing and pulling object.
If someone did cause earthquake by pushing and pulling continental plates he would scale to them in LS(Class Z afaik), isn't it?

 

[Dalesean027]

sure but you wouldn't scale them to the radiated shaking going out at a distance itself you'd scale them to the actual direct plate movement they do. I guess it's fine

 

[Qurbonboev]

sure but you wouldn't scale them to the radiated shaking going out at a distance itself you'd scale them to the actual direct plate movement they do. I guess it's fine

Yeah. This is why I am trying to scale Flowey to elevator shaking he directly causes, not some after effects of it (which we can't measure anyway). Also, thanks for evaluation.
Since whether other monsters should scale to full power of Flowey vines is question that should be answered in different place, I think OP would agree that this thread should be closed.

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[Rodriiogo]

This can be closed yes. I will make a separate thread to address the scaling with the changes (and other stuff)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Link the next thread here when you do, then I will close this

 

[Mommyleona]

Link the next thread here when you do, then I will close this

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