Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 67

[Amexim]

Roshi chopped at Jiren. Jiren bothered to block it instead of just standing still. Jiren should literally be capable of blinking Roshi's life away when he's suppressed. It doesn't matter if the fight had a purpose for plot development. It's as bad as a character acting out of character— acting in a way that isn't at all typical for them— for the sake of plot progression. It would be as if Sigma from Megaman X let X live when he could kill him easily.

That has happened before. And it's bad writing. It doesn't matter if the attack almost grazed him and THAT almost killed him. The point is, Roshi shouldn't have been able to dodge more than one of Jiren's attacks.

 

[Peter1129]

Well I just read the chapter in chinese. So Roshi was only barely dodging Jiren's attacks. And Whis said that the principles of what Roshi did is similar to Ultra Instinct but's it's still far inferior compared to it.

 

[ZERO7772]

It's bad writing no one to point out DBS has bad writing. all we are saying don't look too deep into it. it's the same back when Krillin can push back SSB somehow.

 

[ZERO7772]

@Peter you can read chinese?

 

[Peter1129]

Yes I can read chinese.

 

[Amexim]

Anyone want to see the full raw chapter? https://dragonballsuper-france.fr/dragon-ball-super-chapitre-39/

 

[Antoniofer]

Just one comment before leaving, but it seems that Goku has SSBxKK in the manga now.

 

[Amexim]

The fact that Jiren doesn't bother to block or deflect any of Goku's Blasts, but actually bothers to put his hand up against Roshi? This is what i'm talking about.

 

[Amexim]

Is that Kaioken?!?

 

[ZERO7772]

doubt it. it would be all over the place by now if he used Kaio-ken in the manga.

 

[Peter1129]

Whis says Goku is pretty much forcibly increasing his power in a short period of time without caring for his body. Tien follows up and says so it's the similar to the Kaioken. Krillin pretty much then says "At this point is he still going to use the Kaioken, is it even useful anymore."

 

[ZERO7772]

So Kaio-ken is legit? how come none of the summery mentioned it before?

 

[Peter1129]

I'm not really sure. They seem to imply it's not the Kaioken but it's something similar to it.

 

[Amexim]

My heart. My headcanon that tries to bring the continuities together...!

If it was the Kaioken, it means using Kaioken in Blue would require mastery of blueeee!!! Ugh.

Why not the actual thingggggg? Uhh. Eh. Seems cool though. Even if it does make the Kaioken less special.

 

[ZERO7772]

So Goku was using MSSB+KK and still got stomped. Seems Jiren Manga is just as OP as anime Jiren lol.

 

[The_Mysterious_Stranger_-_Delta-]

Huh, I didn't expect him to lose UIO in seconds. Although, I wasn't expecting UIO to make a debut in the manga at all.

 

[Phoenix821]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUN0lDk0CcA&feature=youtu.be

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

 

[Overlord775]

• Jiren is confused

 

[Aceraspire]

LMAO

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Lmao, good o' Akira and his jokes in the Manga.

 

[AKM sama]

Fax

 

[Warren_Valion]

Inb4 Roshi is revealed to be the father of the Grand Priest.

 

[Overlord775]

Fax

Master Roshi was evil all along.

Dragon Ball Super: God Slayer Arc.

 

[AKM sama]

Roshi has permanent white beard, which means he has permanent UI just like the angels.

On top of that he has Calvo form. Migatte No Roshi Calvo is the ningen stronger than the angels.

 

[Amexim]

If this was real, who would complain.

Not me, if it's explained well enough.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

C'mon people...obviously Roshi is Zarama in disguise.

 

[HST_Master]

Roshi has permanent white beard, which means he has permanent UI just like the angels.

On top of that he has Calvo form. Migatte No Roshi Calvo is the ningen stronger than the angels.

Too bad the anime didn't get to Migatte No Roshi Calvo 100% vs El Shaggymano, the fusion of Shaggy and El Hermano in Blanco form

 

[Amexim]

Damn it, I missed that chapter!

 

[Yusuke138]

So, I need votes. Is it a bad thing or a good thing that Roshi can perform the technique because isn't the technique suppose to be capable of being used by anyone? I mean it's not a transformation specific to saiyans or Gods.

 

[Amexim]

Well, I don't think Roshi can ACTUALLY do it. If he could, it wouldn't be a bad thing if he earned it somehow. My thing is, characters should be limited by what is realistic for their story.

Roshi could get UI. But it would have to be a huge list of things he would have to do to get it. Rather, a long amount of time.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ultra Instinct Roshi vs Jire

 

[Huesito88]

@Amexim Name everything in the list =P

 

[TheSparkly2022]

lol that manga, roshi is become low 2-C now, it look weird compared to anime

 

[Amexim]

For humans (Z-Fighters) to be able to scale to Base Goku as of BoG, what needs to happen is something along these lines;

1. Intense Training, with a God/Angel, for 1,000 years or something like that. Like, Whis or Vados or whoever would have to be able to manipulate their lifespans and grant them longevity— as well as do some crazy shit like the Filler before the fight with the Saiyans— where characters had been warped to different times and fighting really strong beings throughout history in life or death matches. Basically, Whis has to constantly almost kill them every day, for the next few centuries.

That would satisfy me if they became Base Goku Level.

Ultra Instinct Omen? Same thing, but a million years or something, no rest, nothing. Just straight grinding.

As a bonus, i'll go over how I feel the Tournament of Power fodder could've earned star level or universal strength, since the story currently acts as if Namek Saga Frieza was weak and his power level is common, when that's not likely.

For those random aliens to be Universal; they would have to have trained with Angels their entire lives— and still have great potential to back up their worthiness of training.

Star level? Training with Kaioshin instead of angels for all their lives.

Caulifla, Cabba, and Kale, should have already been Super Saiyan, if they were supposed to just be universal in their bases. To say that they can be that strong without going over any hardship that would basically push them to being Super Saiyans by necessity— it basically makes U7 out to be ants in comparison to every other universe.

I understand that the people that were chosen were the best in their universe— but I need a statement or something that says that U7 has the lowest potential for strength as well, if everyone in their mother can just be Universal by accident.

 

[Amexim]

I do think the Humans need more relevance tho. All they need is OP training. Plenty of verses go balls to the wall with what they have their characters do— why not Dragon Ball?!

 

[AKM sama]

Ultra Instinct Roshi vs Jire

^ Winner

 

[Yusuke138]

I just think it's payback. Didn't it take Master Roshi like 50 years to develop kamehameha wave and Goku learned it in seconds. Now it took Goku so much time to learn UI and here is Master Roshi getting payback using it on Jiren

 

[Amexim]

Not how it works, from an in verse lore perspective. Goku is a prodigy— and an alien with a natural talent for manipulating Spiritual Energy (Chi/Qi/Ki). Roshi is an old master with far less talent and genetic blessings.

 

[EdgarDom]

Goku wasn't using Kaioken. He was overcharging his usual Super Saiyan Blue Completed but got rekt in seconds. As for Ultra Instinct dodging, isn't the technique supposed to be so crazy it can bridge you an entire new tier? Roshi didn't do any kind of damage to Jiren, he just had mad hax (similar to Ultra Instinct as said by Whis). After all Ultra Instinct is supposed to be a technique available to everyone that has the training, not only saiyans.