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Looks good to me.
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Hax Layer Evaluation Thread
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One of the most straightforward applications of layers in the entire site.
Spell fails to affect someone based on their Saving Throw modifier. If your spell has a higher saving throw threshold, it bypasses the resistance. Ditto through all numbers.
I don't know from where you are getting the "20s" and "30", it varies based on the stat of the character/creature affected, which can be as low as 1 layer resistance for certain monsters (or none at all in the case of human commoners), to as high as 50 for epic level ones.
There's no "set" layering number.
Edit: a blog made by Bambu a while back explaining how we handle saving throws here
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Looks good to me.
Serlock_Holmes
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Ese don't reply too much. This is for many verses so chill. Fuse your posts and maybe let mostly staff decide. This goes for everyone.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Okay, let me clarify a little more. Haki can bypass resistances in some cases, sure; What I need to know is why someone's Haki getting stronger is an indicator of them suddenly gaining layered hax. For example, one of the first examples given in that thread is how Ace's Haki surpassed Draw's Haki - however, this is meaningless unless we have a feat of Ace's Haki bypassing a resistance that Draw's Haki couldn't.
You seem to be coming to the conclusion that, because there are some instances of stronger Haki equaling layered hax, that means every instance of stronger Haki is a new layer, which just... doesn't work. Just rely on actual, demonstrable examples of resistances getting bypassed and you'll be good.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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D&D is basically the poster child for how layered hax should look imo, so this is obviously fine.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Is this based on the old's profiles 99+ layers, or does the current profile also have layered hax? @ImmortalDread - may as well ask you, since you're Anos' favorite egirl.
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Are layers going to be listed on the verses' page, the respective character's profile, or what?
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Obviously I'd prefer if people listed hax layers on character profiles, but I can't force anyone to do that. Most people opt not to, unfortunately.
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Agreed with the OP, really glad I brought this situation up to be perfectly honest.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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While me and Planck are Kratos' favorite femboys. Good times.
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Simply having greater haki grants a layers (or more depending on the case), which allows users to bypass resistances.
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Law's the best example since his spatial slashes can overpower the resistance to spatial manipulation of various characters.
Haki is something that negates and grants resistance to Devil Fruit abilities, but Law is able to overpower said resistance due to his potency of spatial manipulation.
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Okay, I think this works then, especially with the first scan. Thank you.
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The old profile had its layers based on the following text. And also because the layers themselves exist in the verse.
Tho i can explain the current layers in another post.
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Guess I'll quickly drop in and post the evidence for Danny Phantom ghosts layered resistance to mind manipulation. Here is the blog I created that is currently on the verse page and being used and was accepted here. It showcases each time the hax is used, resisted and then overcome progressively through the series and has references of when the instances took place.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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The fact that it doesn't mention resistances at all is probably gonna lead to us trying to kill each other later down the line, but for now let's focus on what's currently being used.
I'll look at this in a bit, but I recall looking at this a while ago and finding it okay.
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Based on WN, nothing in the page, so there is nothing to evaluate.
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You don't have to be a genius to prove that the god of destruction of layer 1 could not do anything against a god of destruction of layer 2 using the same power of order, and the gods themselves already have innate resistance to the power of the other gods.
Sure.
Don't forget the order hierarchy and the gods innate resistance to other gods abilities and they bypassing each other resistances with their orders.
Anyway i would rather not argue about maou now (since is very small as now) and leave the discussion towards the others verse with their layers.
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Do you mean fanboys....? if not
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I just couldn't resist making the joke after Fuji made that comment on Dread.Do you mean fanboys....? if not
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Yall had a Haki convo and didn't @ me? Crazy
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while it isnt quite infinite, it is still near infinite
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Where do the infinite layers come from?
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You're such a chud.
Oliver_de_jesus
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I have a two question about layers, i can ask this here?
Does this count as layer information analysis?
Scans the mansion in search of Skull and M.O.D.O.K., which were hidden from the scanners, Tony bypasses by searching for missing or distorted information in order to track him
I ask because there will be a scaling chain since M.O.D.O.K upgrading his technopaty to hide better and Tony is still bypassing this, then there is Ultron who scale higher and is able to bypass Tony's scanners regardless of the fact that Tony has upgraded his systems multiple times in season 2 and 3
This is for other verse
what happens if a military base has 13 levels of FireWalls and a Virus easily bypassing them, will that Virus be 13-14 layers?
Does this count as layer information analysis?
Scans the mansion in search of Skull and M.O.D.O.K., which were hidden from the scanners, Tony bypasses by searching for missing or distorted information in order to track him
I ask because there will be a scaling chain since M.O.D.O.K upgrading his technopaty to hide better and Tony is still bypassing this, then there is Ultron who scale higher and is able to bypass Tony's scanners regardless of the fact that Tony has upgraded his systems multiple times in season 2 and 3
This is for other verse
what happens if a military base has 13 levels of FireWalls and a Virus easily bypassing them, will that Virus be 13-14 layers?
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Above your comment
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things that are infintely above zeus would still have infinite authority, though
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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This doesn't even explain why the hax are layered to begin with.
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Gonna try and explain the Blazblue layers as best as I can, lots of the explanation revolved around understanding the lore, still in the process of scan collecting for the verse so if some statements or claims aren't fully backed up with scans, I'm still trying to look for them.
TL;DR, Valkenhayn is flat out immune to the effects of Phenomena intervention from a god like Takamagahara, who can use it against a Low 1-C structure like the boundary. In the events of Chronophantasma, there's a PI war going on between Takamagahara and Amaterasu, which affected Valkenhayn, something Rachel found to be unreal. This is mostly to establish that beings that are naturally immune to said abilities can be affected when other knowledgeable members point out the events.
In Central Fiction, the Embryo absorbs all realities into itself to create doomsday, which basically is the apocalypse. The embryo also causes Phenomena intervention on a daily basis due to its mere existence causing it as stated in Xblaze. Doomsday goes beyond even the main BB world as Naoto from a completely different reality was thrown in by Raquel because their world got destroyed by Doomsday. Same with Mu-12, who was thrown into a different reality by Noel and had to come back to the main world via a cauldron, one of the plot points in the series that talks about going through different realities, which atm are all consumed by the embryo. In said reality Mu-12 is in, Valkenhayn is again affected by it despite his immunities to believe Mu-12 is the end of all existence among many others in said reality without the proper defense, so it extends across infinite realities with the Embryo's influence against every version of Valkenhayn, plus the additional feat of Amaterasu's mere presence being able to warp the countless phenomena intervention existences into one (Shiro mentioned the Japanese text says countless and not infinite, but I don't have the JP text to verify it atm). Plus with Observation/PI being able to focus on large scale stuff like timelines or small scale events which focus down into specific individuals, something Rachel herself comments on is something insane on that magnitude of Observation, leads straight into it being the case of "affecting numerous people and focusing into one target for increased power" with increased potency. Especially when in the context a lot of this stems from someone with a natural resistance towards PI in the first place.
So the argument goes like this: Amaterasu (countless) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Embryos (infinite) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valkenhayn (Low 1-C resistance)
TL;DR, Valkenhayn is flat out immune to the effects of Phenomena intervention from a god like Takamagahara, who can use it against a Low 1-C structure like the boundary. In the events of Chronophantasma, there's a PI war going on between Takamagahara and Amaterasu, which affected Valkenhayn, something Rachel found to be unreal. This is mostly to establish that beings that are naturally immune to said abilities can be affected when other knowledgeable members point out the events.
In Central Fiction, the Embryo absorbs all realities into itself to create doomsday, which basically is the apocalypse. The embryo also causes Phenomena intervention on a daily basis due to its mere existence causing it as stated in Xblaze. Doomsday goes beyond even the main BB world as Naoto from a completely different reality was thrown in by Raquel because their world got destroyed by Doomsday. Same with Mu-12, who was thrown into a different reality by Noel and had to come back to the main world via a cauldron, one of the plot points in the series that talks about going through different realities, which atm are all consumed by the embryo. In said reality Mu-12 is in, Valkenhayn is again affected by it despite his immunities to believe Mu-12 is the end of all existence among many others in said reality without the proper defense, so it extends across infinite realities with the Embryo's influence against every version of Valkenhayn, plus the additional feat of Amaterasu's mere presence being able to warp the countless phenomena intervention existences into one (Shiro mentioned the Japanese text says countless and not infinite, but I don't have the JP text to verify it atm). Plus with Observation/PI being able to focus on large scale stuff like timelines or small scale events which focus down into specific individuals, something Rachel herself comments on is something insane on that magnitude of Observation, leads straight into it being the case of "affecting numerous people and focusing into one target for increased power" with increased potency. Especially when in the context a lot of this stems from someone with a natural resistance towards PI in the first place.
So the argument goes like this: Amaterasu (countless) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Embryos (infinite) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valkenhayn (Low 1-C resistance)
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Alright then, give me a while and I'll try to cover the Danny Phantom/Blazblue stuff when I can.
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if you have a higher authority, you can completely resist the hax of the person with lower authority
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