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Even without that as he can tangibly touch fire in base. With fire food and even Atlas who’s body is made of fire.
 
Even without that as he can tangibly touch fire in base. With fire food and even Atlas who’s body is made of fire.
Wouldn’t that just be being able to interact with heir bodies like ace but not actually hurt them?
 
Not really, you need intangibility negation to work on them not NPI. Even NPI they'd just regenerate from the damage.


I'm not touching the eating vs logia subject with a 10 foot pole.
So even with natsu being able to burn concepts he wouldn’t be able to hit them?
 
Damn ok
Pretty sure interacting with concepts doesn't allow you to interact with every form of intangibility. They're different types after all.
That’s surprising, sp logia intangibility is a lot more broken than I thought
 
Not really, you need intangibility negation to work on them not NPI. Even NPI they'd just regenerate from the damage.


I'm not touching the eating vs logia subject with a 10 foot pole.
Pretty sure for intangibility users can still be hurt by DS users still if they have no tangible forms to begin with like Atlas.
 
Pretty sure for intangibility users can still be hurt by DS users still if they have no tangible forms to begin with like Atlas.
Doesn't stop them from regenerating, if anything it'd just automatically trigger that regeneration.
 
Doesn't stop them from regenerating, if anything it'd just automatically trigger that regeneration.
More like reforming as your body becomes malleable, for Logias you need to be trained to automatically transform on reflex iirc.

Regeneration is more about replacing what was lost or damaged. Logia transform to avoid damage, they would have to create new limbs if their regular ones were lost on their physical forms.
 
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More like reforming as your body becomes malleable, for Logias you need to be trained to automatically transform on reflex iirc.
Never stated at all or even hinted at it

You automatically transform when you eat the fruit

These 3 ways are the only ways to fight logias, it says nothing about moving faster than they can transform or catching them off guard


NPI doesn't hurt/attack logia's... You'd need elemental intang negation (which haki does by basically turning/changing the logia/element into a solid form) which then attacks the true body
 
Never stated at all or even hinted at it

You automatically transform when you eat the fruit

These 3 ways are the only ways to fight logias, it says nothing about moving faster than they can transform or catching them off guard


NPI doesn't hurt/attack logia's... You'd need elemental intang negation (which haki does by basically turning/changing the logia/element into a solid form) which then attacks the true body
I was referring to how Crocodile trained himself to be able to activate his logia body on reflex, not sure if that is how fans took that but it is the most logical, as Smoker and Ace both were damaged when Luffy crashed into them, so it would show that they have to consciously be aware and make the choice of to turn their bodies into elements.

DS can do that too with intang bodies.
 
Also to add that there is a flaw with the sea prison stone method since people like Smoker can just turn into smoke and just pass through the bars without touching them, and that link says you have to touch it to affect you.
 
The imgur doesn’t say energy though and you have to be touching it, but if it is about energy, why isn’t smoker weakened or suffering when he has sea prison stone sword on his back.

Plus again with Smoker’s face splashed with water and he was irritated by that.

And there is Smoker holding down Ace with his hand, and there is Chopper pulling apart Caeser to use as a net without the former having known Haki powers.
 
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Bro is debating against actually facts with weird headcanon interpretations

... Like wtf
I was referring to how Crocodile trained himself to be able to activate his logia body on reflex
show me the statement of crocodile saying that... Because he never did, he said he trained it to make it stronger/more potent, also better precision and control...
It is also possible to generate sandstorms by manipulating the sand and releasing it, engulfing the surroundings and causing uncontrollable large-scale sandstorms even for the user themselves. The current user of this ability, Crocodile, can precisely control the strength of the sand he manipulates, and the finely honed and trained sand possesses destructive power capable of cleaving even giant rocks.
This is how all devil fruits functions... They can be trained

Bro is capping and twisting about statements...
 
The imgur doesn’t say energy though and you have to be touching it, but if it is about energy, why isn’t smoker weakened or suffering when he has sea prison stone sword on his back.

Plus again with Smoker’s face splashed with water and he was irritated by that.

And there is Smoker holding down Ace with his hand, and there is Chopper pulling apart Caeser to use as a net without the former having known Haki powers.
you've named all these moments (of just interacting) yet none of them is shown getting damaged from that... So what you're saying doesn't matter/hold any weight
 
but if it is about energy, why isn’t smoker weakened or suffering when he has sea prison stone sword on his back.
It's only on the tip of it... Not the whole thing

This is stated for smoker to be able to do as well btw
The ability to transform the body into smoke. It is also possible to maintain a tangible form while in smoke state, making it adept at enveloping and restraining targets!
 
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you've named all these moments (of just interacting) yet none of them is shown getting damaged from that... So what you're saying doesn't matter/hold any weight

With Crocodile it is what the fans made of it compared to other Logia users.

Caeser was clearly feeling it with how he is stretched out and such, Smoker and Ace receiving damage from their incident in Alabasta is shown.
 
It's only on the tip of it... Not the whole thing

This is stated for smoker to be able to do as well btw
The tip is still enough to render devil fruit users immobile as seen when he pinned
Luffy, he had the whole thing on his back, the only way energy emissions to be affective at reach is where there is no difference between the touch,
 
Caeser was clearly feeling it with how he is stretched out and such
He was not damaged or hurt, he was completely fine... Just angry
Smoker and Ace receiving damage from their incident in Alabasta is shown.
They did not
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This scan shows no damage at all
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dust on smokers face and ace just making a noise of getting annoyed
ugh

  1. Used to express repugnance, disgust, or annoyance.
The meaning of UGH is —used to indicate the sound of a cough or grunt or to express disgust or horror
 
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I'm probably never going listening to this guy ever again 🔥💥

speaks with too much confidence yet is wrong about literally everything
 
anyway back on track, Natsu can harm logia users just as any DS can with elemental interactions and attack them, like Gajeel able to interact with Bloodman based on iron traces which makes him capable of getting that lucky shot around the beginning and then at the end since their bodies are naturally Bane Particles. and even chewing on elements too.
 
anyway back on track, Natsu can harm logia users just as any DS can with elemental interactions and attack them, like Gajeel able to interact with Bloodman based on iron traces which makes him capable of getting that lucky shot around the beginning and then at the end since their bodies are naturally Bane Particles. and even chewing on elements too.
Interacting with the element doesn't damage their true body... So no
 
anyway back on track, Natsu can harm logia users just as any DS can with elemental interactions
DS just make shit solid, they don't negate intangibility.
and attack them, like Gajeel able to interact with Bloodman based on iron traces which makes him capable of getting that lucky shot around the beginning and then at the end since their bodies are naturally Bane Particles. and even chewing on elements too.
Again they don't negate intangibility.
 
DS just make shit solid, they don't negate intangibility.

Again they don't negate intangibility.
making them solid is basically negation, otherwise they would not be able to damage them. it is similar to natural weakness stuff, as stated in the imgur posted earlier.
Interacting with the element doesn't damage their true body... So no
DS just makes them solid which they can do damage to. Based on natural weakness stating to harden their body which makes their intangibility neutralized.
 
making them solid is basically negation,
Making them solid is in no way shape or form like negation. They can interact with elements, not stop them from turning intangible and negating the regeneration.
otherwise they would not be able to damage them. it is similar to natural weakness stuff, as stated in the imgur posted earlier.
They can damage them because they can treat the elements like a solid. It's nothing like the weakness stuff that you've posted. This is just a faulty causation you've made.
DS just makes them solid which they can do damage to. Based on natural weakness stating to harden their body which makes their intangibility neutralized.
There is no statement about them hardening their body. Again your argument makes no sense, turning an element solid doesn't stop it from reforming. They have NPI, not intangibility negation.


Make a CRT if you disagree or stop the cap.
 
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