Sans' intangible attacks

[TheOrangeGuy09]

So after seeing this thread, the OP was just completely wrong.

Sans' attacks were intangible due to being able to completely phase through Frisk (INV frames were just some additional elaboration ig, they were not primary justification). For comparison, Papyrus' bones completely disappear after they damage Frisk (just like any other monster's attack, but I can't put literally every single instance here of course), so it's Sans' attacks being intangible than anything else.

But, I want to also remove "Selective Intangible Attacks" that used to be "Additional" there for Sans' blue attacks, as it's just same intangibility as regular attacks, there is nothing additional. To compare to Papyrus once again, his blue attacks disappear if Frisk moves and get damage, while Sans' attacks don't. So it's essentially just redundant.

That's kind of it.

 

[Robo432343]

agree

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah, agree too. There is not any attack that is any comparable to Sans' in that regard.

 

[Kellex]

Easily agree

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Looks fine.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I agree

 

[Lilybitdun]

Agreed

 

[ShionAH]

Remove the Sans weakness that was added without CRT btw

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

agree

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Agree

 

[IDK3465]

Agree

 

[Kellex]

Agree

I'm sorry, but what the **** is that avatar

 

[JustANormalLemon]

makes sense agree

 

[LittleGuy99]

Agree

 

[IDK3465]

Agree

Don’t ask questions you don’t want the answers to

 

[CasperSenar]

Agree

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Sure

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Remove the Sans weakness that was added without CRT btw

What weakness?

 

[Monsters_fight]

I agree

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

bump

It’s already accepted and applied

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I see. NVm mind then. Just forgot about it and wanted to make sure

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I see. NVm mind then. Just forgot about it and wanted to make sure

 

[FinePoint]

Papyrus' bones completely disappear after they damage Frisk (just like any other monster's attack)

As I discussed in the previous thread, this is simply not true.

I already gave at least one example in Dogamy.

There's also the fact that it's passing through their 'soul' which may not be fully physical either, even if directly linked to physical damage. So it's iffy to prescribe full intangibility based on something both inconsistent and vague.

All that is to say, if we give Sans's attacks intangibility for this, we'd also have to give it to Dogamy and Dogaressa (who're using a physical axe) and any other monster that passes through the soul (would need to research).

 

[JustANormalLemon]

All that is to say, if we give Sans's attacks intangibility for this, we'd also have to give it to Dogamy and Dogaressa (who're using a physical axe) and any other monster that passes through the soul (would need to research).

question, does dogamy and fogaressa attacks vonstantly deal damage to the soul while It's insiside of the attack?

 

[FinePoint]

question, does dogamy and fogaressa attacks vonstantly deal damage to the soul while It's insiside of the attack?

No, it still respects I-frames. You just phase through it temporarily.

Once the frames are up you'll take damage again if you're still inside.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

As I discussed in the previous thread, this is simply not true.

I already gave at least one example in Dogamy.

There's also the fact that it's passing through their 'soul' which may not be fully physical either, even if directly linked to physical damage. So it's iffy to prescribe full intangibility based on something both inconsistent and vague.

All that is to say, if we give Sans's attacks intangibility for this, we'd also have to give it to Dogamy and Dogaressa (who're using a physical axe) and any other monster that passes through the soul (would need to research).

You’re right, not all monsters’ attacks get destroyed, but majority do. That’s my bad. There are some other attacks that come to mind that go through Frisk’s soul, but I think it’s more feat for those attacks than anti-feat since it happens relatively rare.

(Tbf the reason it was brought up only for Sans is because of how popular he is which is unfair to other characters but that’s how it works)

 

[Kellex]

As I discussed in the previous thread, this is simply not true.

I already gave at least one example in Dogamy.

There's also the fact that it's passing through their 'soul' which may not be fully physical either, even if directly linked to physical damage. So it's iffy to prescribe full intangibility based on something both inconsistent and vague.

All that is to say, if we give Sans's attacks intangibility for this, we'd also have to give it to Dogamy and Dogaressa (who're using a physical axe) and any other monster that passes through the soul (would need to research).

I disagree with this because this could just be seen as striking damage just like Asgore's Trident. If we were to give to give Monsters intangible attacks, then someone like Temmie would be completely intangible because they don't use any equipment nor projectiles whatsoever.

 

[StrymULTRA]

All that is to say, if we give Sans's attacks intangibility for this, we'd also have to give it to Dogamy and Dogaressa (who're using a physical axe) and any other monster that passes through the soul (would need to research).

I mean, where is that even displayed?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I mean, where is that even displayed?

Muffet is one of them. Undyne and Mettaton too

 

[StrymULTRA]

Muffet is one of them. Undyne and Mettaton too

That definitely does sound problematic then.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That definitely does sound problematic then.

Not really, they just need to have intangible attacks too (though limited).

Also it is clear-cut for Sans’ intangible attacks anyways tbh since he has clear analogy against Papyrus’ bones.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Not really, they just need to have intangible attacks too (though limited).

I'd call it an inconsistent game mechanic if some attacks disappear and others don't, but y'all do whatever as the Sans CRTs are just a cesspoll.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I'd call it an inconsistent game mechanic if some attacks disappear and others don't, but y'all do whatever as the Sans CRTs are just a cesspoll.

I’d do so too, but it’s the case of “majority does, few don’t”, so I think it’s good.

 

[Arceus0x]

So with the sans pacifist fight made by Toby, don't we just straight up have evidence that Sans can choose to make his bones tangible or intangible?

 

[IDK3465]

So with the sans pacifist fight made by Toby, don't we just straight up have evidence that Sans can choose to make his bones tangible or intangible?

Yeah, this is pretty much the reason why I still believe Sans’ attacks are intangible. If genocide Sans was our only reference point for how bone attacks work, then I’d agree with it simply being game mechanics, but the fact we have Papyrus’ and pacifist Sans’ attacks NOT fazing through the soul implies that it’s an actual canon trait that genocide Sans’ attacks have

 

[FinePoint]

So with the sans pacifist fight made by Toby, don't we just straight up have evidence that Sans can choose to make his bones tangible or intangible?

Is that canon?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

No, it still respects I-frames. You just phase through it temporarily.

Once the frames are up you'll take damage again if you're still inside.

I would argue that this cases are game mechanics thanks to the nature of the attack, the giant exes disappearing in a single touch would break how the attack works

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yeah Sans' fight in Undertale Anniversary is a VERY good point.

Also this would make his attacks selectively intangible.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Is that canon?

In favor: It expands the lore of undertale, show more conterparts of the characters from deltarune in undertale, show more sides of the characters and the fact the ghast door isn't black and white implies toby was playing "the original undertale'

Cons: The entire spamtom scene