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This is a re-attempt of this. And a direct refutation of this.
I won't be too long, I'll objectively prove Tien should be 5-C and there is nothing y'all can do about it.
EDIT:
TL;DR: 23rd Budokai Yamcha is 5-C, despite having a power level of 177, so Tien with a power level of 180 should scale to him. That's it.
Tien surpassed trained Master Roshi
You all know and love this argument. After Roshi resigned from his fight against Tien, he admitted he would have lost had the fight kept going.
This proves Tien would have won, and thus have surpassed Roshi.
"B-B-But Max Power-"
Shut it. Roshi had a power level of 139 against Tien, who had a power level of 180. You would have a hard time arguing Roshi can bridge the gap between them with his Max Power Form.
And NO. His power level isn't "actually higher", the Daizenshuu NEVER STATES A POWER LEVEL OF A CHARACTER IN A RELAXED STATE. This is Base Roshi's FULL POWER. Frieza is the exception because his Max Power is a different form. It isn't 180 either. This Weekly Jump Issue has SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS with the story.
As noted by @Nullflowerblush, whose comment I lost, and later by me.
So, no, this source is awful and shouldn't be used.
- Mr Popo: Has a power level of 1030 despite the fact Kami is stated to be superior to him
- Kami: Has a power level of 220, contradicting how he was stronger than the Goku who beat King Piccolo (260)
- Roshi: Roshi has a power level of 180, contradicitng his 139 on the Daizenshuu (which has a much higher authority)
- Korin: Korin being at 190, higher than Goku's 180, when in fact Goku was stated by Korin himself that he has surpassed him.
So yeah, Tien greatly surpasses Roshi's base state and it's impossible for you to argue his Max Power would've bridged the gap. Even so, this is not even the version of Roshi that needs to be surpassed.
22nd BT Master Roshi is not the point here
In fact, isn't 21st BT Master Roshi the one who destroyed the moon? You know, the one with a much lower power level as Roshi was constantly training to catch up to the newer Generation after a three year timeskip. So if you had a problem arguing that 22nd Roshi with a BP of 139 can reach 180 BP with his Max Form,How are you going to argue that 21nd BT Roshi, who was equal to Goku when he had far less than half his current strength in 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi, can reach 180 by going Max Power? That's your burden of proof. In fact, even before the three-year timeskip Goku was stronger than Roshi.
"Well, the Max Power just multiplies Roshi's power"
Nope. As Vegeta said, no one can just multiply their strength. That's why Kaioken was a novelty.
A Battle Power of 180 is objectively enough for 5-C
Now this one is interesting. Even if the rest doesn't convince you, this should.So, as said in the past, all of Roshi's students surpassed him. There's no cutting corners here, this statement NEEDS to be enough to surpass his 5-C feat done by a much weaker version of himself. To further prove this, Yamcha is able to impress Kami in disguise, who is MUCH MUCH MUCH stronger than Son Goku who defeated King Piccolo. Yamcha took several blows from Kami, and even managed to injure his face with Sokidan. There's no denying this.
This version of Yamcha scales to the full 5-C yield of 21st Budokai Roshi's Kamehameha. Here's where the problem arrives.
This Yamcha that managed to impress, injure and take blows from a "far higher than 5-C" character, had a power level inferior to Tien and Son Goku at the 22nd Budokai, only 177 even after a 5-year timeskip, meaning it was even less against Kami... Yet you want to argue Tien and Goku at 180 wouldn't scale to 21st Budokai Roshi? Like for frick's sake.
EDIT: IN FACT, 23RD BUDOKAI YAMCHA IS 5-C, HOW INTERESTING?
This proves in an objective way that anyone with a power level close to 180 should scale to Max Power Roshi from the 21st Budokai Tenkaichi.
Who scales:
- Tien Shinran (Self-Explanatory)
- Son Goku (Self-Explanatory)
- Master Roshi; 22nd Budokai (He can fight Tien to some extent)
- Yamcha; 22nd Budokai (He can give Tien trouble)
- Krillin; 22nd Budokai (Is "about as good as Yamcha")
- Chaotzu (About Krillin's level)
Let's not waste any time....
Agree: @Killerdrone123, @CloverDragon03, @TheGreatBanana, @Da3ggman, @LordTracer, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Greatsage13th, @SlendVeny, @Fastestthingalive50, @Crobatman44, @KingNanaya, @Accelerated_Evolution, @KLOL506, @Serlock_Holmes, @Starbrand_Fan, @Spectra_Schiffer, @Golden_Void, @Damage3245
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Disagree: @Ednaxel2
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