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ShionAH Vs Adem_Warlock69
Kusuo Saiki Vs Hajime Hinata (Izuru Kamukura)
Tournament
Round 6. Quarterfinals
Rules: Equal Speed, SBA
Saiki:
Hajime:
Incon:
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High 7-C Tournament: Saiki K. Vs Hajime Hinata
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Kusuo Saiki Vs Hajime Hinata (Izuru Kamukura)
Tournament
Round 6. Quarterfinals
Rules: Equal Speed, SBA
Saiki:
Hajime:
Incon:
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So what does Saiki have?
ShionAH
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Passive Telepathy, Reality Warping, Mind Control, Telekinesis, Petrification, Fear Hax, Dura Neg, Time Hax
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Well, Izuru is said to possess every known talent that has been researched at Hope's Peak Academy, and thus has talents such as Ultimate Luck, Analytical Prowess, Despair and every talent related to fighting
Izuru's luck is shown when, The Ultimate Lucky Student, Nagito tries to shoot Izuru, the gun jams due to Izuru’s luck trumping Nagito's.
This is impressive because Nagito is on a whole different level than your average Supernatural Luck, its feats include;
Ultimate Luck also alters probability to get what he wants. It can affect people's choices and push them into choosing an unlikely scenario if it benefits the user, as Nagito's plan to reveal the "traitor" was focused on Chiaki Nanami (the "traitor") choosing one particular fire extinguishing grenade with poison to accidentally kill him (thus making her a culprit in the Class Trial)
And as such, it will at least push Saiki into not starting (Or even using) his strongest abilities.
Izuru being the Ultimate Analyst, should be comparable to Junko, who has analytical skills that are good enough to be indistinguishable from precognition. She's able to read and analyze anything virtually instantaneously, being able to determine the personality, abilities, thoughts, and history of her foes with a mere glance. It's feats include;
But all of this wouldn't matter if Izuru lacked the hax necessary to actually take out Saiki, wouldn't it?
Fortunately, Saiki lacks a resistance to Izuru's Social Influencing/Mind Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (Type 1 and 2),
So yeah
Izuru's luck is shown when, The Ultimate Lucky Student, Nagito tries to shoot Izuru, the gun jams due to Izuru’s luck trumping Nagito's.
This is impressive because Nagito is on a whole different level than your average Supernatural Luck, its feats include;
- Won a country-wide lottery where apparently only one student is selected at random to attend Hope's Peak Academy as the Ultimate Lucky Student.
- Can’t read outside, because meteor showers start when he does.
- While in front of a vending machine that didn't give him a drink after he put his thousand yen because he only had a whole thousand yen in cash, a truck flew on top of the vending machine and crushed it, giving him a lot of "Dr. Hopper" cans.
- When Nagito and his family boarded an airplane from San Cristóbal Airport, the airplane was hijacked, and a meteorite the size of a closed fist fell at exactly the right time which struck the hijacker but also struck his parents at the same time, which got him freedom and inheritance.
- Survived a plane crash during his suspension, and he found a waterfall to bathe in just a few steps away from where the plane crashed, somehow managed to bring a "souvenir" with him despite on how strict the firearm law is in Japan, and that handgun was used later for an attempt of assassinating Junko.
- After being released when he has been kidnapped by a serial killer, Nagito had discovered a winning lottery ticket for three hundred million dollars in the garbage bag the murderer kidnapped him in.
- Managed to completely bring down an entire building by knocking out all of the restraining nuts and bolts simply by throwing a ball.
- Caused a landslide by kicking a pebble.
And as such, it will at least push Saiki into not starting (Or even using) his strongest abilities.
Izuru being the Ultimate Analyst, should be comparable to Junko, who has analytical skills that are good enough to be indistinguishable from precognition. She's able to read and analyze anything virtually instantaneously, being able to determine the personality, abilities, thoughts, and history of her foes with a mere glance. It's feats include;
- Became the "Ultimate Fashionista" due to her being able to predict trends, allowing Junko to literally predict what would become popular with society.
- Already knew the about the tragedy, how it will be called or named, and how devastating it would be when she was jokingly narrating her introduction.
- Planned out a gambit where she would lose her memory, assume a fake identity as Ryoko Otonashi, have her sister Mukuro pose as Junko Enoshima, and then have her memory awaken at the most opportune moment.
- Immediately knew what she needed to get from Ryota Mitarai upon their accidental encounter, this included his talent.
- Somehow anticipated that Nagito Komaeda was coming to her secret hideout given that she had Mukuro and Peko fight outside said secret hideout.
- Programmed a group of Monokumas to dodge around bullets and fight Mukuro Ikusaba by predicting her actions.
But all of this wouldn't matter if Izuru lacked the hax necessary to actually take out Saiki, wouldn't it?
Fortunately, Saiki lacks a resistance to Izuru's Social Influencing/Mind Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (Type 1 and 2),
So yeah
ShionAH
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I mean since Saiki literally knows every single though of Izuru I doubt he can use these to trick or drive him mad. I am gonna ask though has his luck ever shown to just make him win instantly? If not I dont see how Saiki doesnt just gaze upon him, think or do a finger gun.
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Wouldn't reading Izuru's mind make him mad if Izuru goes for the madness hax? And the Social Influencing/Mind Manipulation would be Izuru trying to make Saiki join his side than anything else, which I don't think Saiki's telepathy would help against.
The closest thing Nagito did to winning instantly was the meteor that hit the hijacker Ig
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ShionAH
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Saiki wouldnt join his side because he will know the real intention is to trick him is what I am saying.
So what really stops Saiki from thinking or removing his glasses?
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Izuru would know about Saiki’s telepathy, and I don’t think Izuru would even be trying to trick Saiki with his SI, probably would actually want to stop the fight
Luck would push him into going for things that wouldn’t beat Izuru
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I mean I am not sure tbh. Its pratically bot visible from outside view
That would make it a incon?
I mean theres a few options that Saiki can use in a fight and pretty sure all of then will lead to Izuru being haxed
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Junko immediately realized someone had animation skills that could enforce hope and induce madness by passing him on the road
Izuru really only needs 1 ability that wouldn’t immediately nuke him to use his hax tbh
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Ultimate Luck is currently listed as «Planetary, possibly higher», so don’t think that’d work
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I mean all of saikis offensive hax is just you know wincon worthy.
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Telekinesis, Fear and Dura Neg wouldn’t really stop Izuru
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How though? Alao Telekinesis is out of the picture since Saiki will know he has to end it quick and Fear hax is eh he only used it like once and did it in a limited way. Why does Dura neg not work tho?
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Why’d he try to end it quickly?
The Dura Neg wouldn’t kill Izuru, so he’d be able to use his hax
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Because he will know that his opponent is a threat.
He is gonna be on the floor begging for water
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He never uses it in combat?
Izuru’s Stamina lets him overcome the begging part, he still can talk like that too
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Actually due to Saiki's telepathy, Izuru just needs to think lol
You listed telekinesis as something Saiki has, I'm asking if he uses it in combat
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You really cannot say that unless Izuru has shown to do this while thinking
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What does that mean?
Izuru knows Saiki is always listening to his thoughts, I don't see why the guy with the combined intelligence of every human alive wouldn't think of that
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Think of what? How do we know his thoughts will have the same effect?
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I don't see why hearing SI from his mind would be different than hearing it from his mouth
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You still need proof it will work like that lol
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I don't think so, SI works due to the contents of what he's saying, not where it's coming from
Like Junko's SI works on the Radio, so yeah
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I dont know, I am not convinced since its just a theory in your part
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One thing that may help here.
Saiki's precognition seems to predict when something terrible is about to happen to him. As an example, there is a time in chapter 245 in which the precognition warned Saiki that his power was exposed. This seems to be reinforced by what is said and shown in the last panel.
Saiki's precognition seems to predict when something terrible is about to happen to him. As an example, there is a time in chapter 245 in which the precognition warned Saiki that his power was exposed. This seems to be reinforced by what is said and shown in the last panel.
ShionAH
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If you dont use these scans on the profile I will go crazy and revise the profile on my own just for the scans. GRRR
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Saiki's precog would be useful against the Madness Hax Ig, SI/MindHax would still work tho
Luck would make Izuru go for the thing that would actually work, of course
Luck would make Izuru go for the thing that would actually work, of course
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Yes, I'm adding scans
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how is this going?
ShionAH
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We decided instead of making CRTs we are gonna make a COMPLETE rework ^^
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Looks neat
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so what happens to this match then?
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No idea
