Kusuo Saiki vs All Medaka Box Characters 1 by 1 (speed equalized, Bloodlusted) 5-B reality warping form

[Ecetereis]

possibly Planet level (Stated that he could destroy the world without much effort and that he could make the world explode through reality warping, by accident, should his limiters become undone)

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

possibly Planet level (Stated that he could destroy the world without much effort and that he could make the world explode through reality warping, by accident, should his limiters become undone)

Ok, but where is stated that he has EE?

 

[Agnaa]

possibly Planet level (Stated that he could destroy the world without much effort and that he could make the world explode through reality warping, by accident, should his limiters become undone)

Make the world explode =/= EE.

 

[Ecetereis]

Ok, fine. I'll say what if Saiki mindfloods them. He once did it to a character to interrupt their thinking. And changes logic that gives him even faster reflexes (He did it on a planetary level) and necroing them.

 

[Ecetereis]

Is moving a soul to heaven and possessing Kumagawa option? Is he resistance to soul hax?

 

[Agnaa]

Medaka Kurokami and Gagamaru Chougasaki resist mindhax.

And even if he does that, since it's speed equal many other characters could also instantly use their wincon and get incon.

 

[Ecetereis]

A few people in the Medaka Box universe could get there powers taken via reality warping like Medaka Kurokami due to only having it against Minus' abilities. He stated that he could give everone superpowers if he wanted to.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does Saiki needs to touch the target to use soulhax?

 

[Agnaa]

A few people in the Medaka Box universe could get there powers taken via reality warping like Medaka Kurokami due to only having it against Minus' abilities. He stated that he could give everone superpowers if he wanted to.

You keep saying "He stated that he could give everyone superpowers", but why does that mean he could take away everyone's superpowers too?

 

[Paul_Frank]

So the mb characters are bloodlusted too right or only saiki

 

[Ecetereis]

Does Saiki needs to touch the target to use soulhax?

He just needs to knock them out. Saiki has a perfect way if his glasses are off. They're instantly knocked out as they can't think when petrified. It takes on day to wear off and it takes 44 seconds to work.

 

[Ecetereis]

A few people in the Medaka Box universe could get there powers taken via reality warping like Medaka Kurokami due to only having it against Minus' abilities. He stated that he could give everone superpowers if he wanted to.

You keep saying "He stated that he could give everyone superpowers", but why does that mean he could take away everyone's superpowers too?

I read it wrong.

 

[Agnaa]

He just needs to knock them out. Saiki has a perfect way if his glasses are off. They're instantly knocked out as they can't think when petrified. It takes on day to wear off and it takes 44 seconds to work.

44 seconds is way too long to not get destroyed in the meantime, and Kumagawa and Medaka would be able to instantly undo the petrification.

 

[Ecetereis]

They can't think. How can they do that? As soon as their soul is taken they are incap until Saiki puts the soul back. It takes 44 seconds for the soul to go to heaven.

 

[Agnaa]

They can't think. How can they do that. As soon as their soul is taken they are incap until Saiki puts the soul back. It takes 44 seconds for the soul to go to heaven.

Because when they die, All-Fiction automatically undoes the cause of their death. It was agreed in this thread that this would give them immunity to petrification.

 

[Ecetereis]

Speed is equalized so Saiki should be able to take their souls before petrification is nulled.

 

[Ecetereis]

All-Fiction is also speed equalized btw, because they are part of the Medaka Box series.

 

[Agnaa]

It takes 44 seconds to work though, it'd be much slower than All-Fiction.

And even then, AF is a passive, while soul stealing would need to be activated.

 

[Ecetereis]

Soul stealing is thought based and instant. The soul itself moving to heaven is 44 seconds. Is being soulless, the same as being dead?

 

[Ecetereis]

He can obviously possess the person and all body functions work the same just like he did with Nendou so anyone wih All-Fiction I think they won't be considered dead.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

This would all be assuming that he knows instantly what he must do and goes for it. On the other hand, Kumagawa is pretty much either gonna blitz by AF and seal, or just AF and erase him.

Why is this a problem for Saiki? Because he has too many powers. Blood lust only means you'll do all to win, not that you will instantly go for what's the best power. Kumagawa wins turn 1 with his only tools, one of which allows him to blitz and is thought based. Nothing is telling us that Kusuo takes the exact best course of action to take each of them out, on the other hand. And he will need to do more than just the usual because of AF and Irreversible Destruction.

 

[Ecetereis]

Glasses off beforehand and all-fiction is speed equalized. Saiki takes the soul instantly before unpetrification and incap forever and the soul goes to heaven after 44 seconds. He's a genius level intellect as well, that outsmarted one of the smartest and craftiest guys on the planet (Kusuke and he couldn't read Kusuke's mind) .

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Oh, forgot Kumagawa is bloodlusted

Kumagawa erases Kusuo from existence then

 

[Ecetereis]

Not before taking time to undo the instant petrified and getting soulhaxed before which incaps. All fiction is not instant due to speed equalization and no prep

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Glasses off beforehand and all-fiction is speed equalized. Saiki takes the soul instantly before unpetrification and incap forever and the soul goes to heaven after 44 seconds. He's a genius level intellect as well, that outsmarted one of the smartest and craftiest guys on the planet (Kusuke and he couldn't read Kusuke's mind) .

The speed equalized rule doesnt restrict speed amps, which means that All Fiction still blitzes him. Its kinda time manip + speed boost ability

 

[Ecetereis]

He does that before all-fiction even speed amps.

 

[Ecetereis]

Petrification is passive without glasses

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He does that before all-fiction even speed amps.

All fiction is thought-based, so no, he doesnt

 

[Paul_Frank]

Kumagawa erases time at the time same Saiki uses his hax

While his time is erased he just undoes whatever Saiki did and then erases

 

[Ecetereis]

Petrification takes time to undo and he gets soulhaxed which incaps as soon as he resurrects.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

"Petrification takes time to undo"

All fiction would undo instantly

 

[Ecetereis]

Petrification is passive to all who he looks at instantly, glasses are off beforehand.

 

[Paul_Frank]

All fiction says hello

 

[Ecetereis]

all-fiction is speed equalized Have I said that.

 

[Paul_Frank]

That doesn't work like that

It's a thought based time erasure which means that Kumagawa takes no time to do anything and gives him infinite speed

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

All fiction is thought-based, so no, speed equalized doesnt help here

 

[Ecetereis]

It takes as long as Saiki does an ability which means as soon as all-fiction resurrects Saiki would be able to pull his soul away

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

You are telling me that looking at someone in speed equal is faster than thinking. You realize this, right?

 

[Ecetereis]

Why can you speed equalize Giorno Giovanna and GER but not All-Fiction and Kurugama?

 

[Paul_Frank]

@ecetereis

Assuming you are right and somehow Saiki haxes first then all fiction reses and he erases his time giving him infinite speed so it really doesn't matter