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"Skipping? Stopping? man idek anymore" Hit time skip re-revision

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Let's make hit have space-time manipulation with everything hit's time skip can do.


and for Goku resistance to these skills, since in the rematch Goku states that Hit's time skip skills will not work again, and is accepted by Hit.

even the dimension that hit creates with time skip is destroyed by Goku
Some of the things it does can't be resisted tho.....how would you resist someone else time traveling to the future?

Like @StrymULTRA said, with such cocktail of abilities........to be immune to them all would only solution would be Immeasurable speed
 
I don't understand where the minor resistance to space-time manipulation comes from, since hit manipulates time and space with time skip to be able to use time stop or time cage, or its time dimension.

and good Goku resists the time skip/time stop.

I see it as a complete resistance to time stop/time skip
Because Goku didn't pull a Jotaro and just went "hey this time stop doesn't mean crap anymore", he instead physically traveled in Hit's dimension and hit him there. This isn't just time stop resistance, it's straight up Immeasurable speed as he was capable of skipping though the timeline with sheer speed, only that's outlier lmao.
 
I don't understand where the minor resistance to space-time manipulation comes from, since hit manipulates time and space with time skip to be able to use time stop or time cage, or its time dimension.

and good Goku resists the time skip/time stop.

I see it as a complete resistance to time stop/time skip
You can't resist someone else time traveling to the future, Time Skip Time stopping on its own is already as contradictory as Time Traveling/Skipping, even with Strym's approach of various abilities at once, a resistance can't be it since there would be stuff that can't be resisted in the first place(Time Travel, Dimensional Travel, etc)
 
What's the issue with limited immeasurable combatt speed..?
Because Goku reached with with KK10, which multiplies both AP and speed.

You can't get Immeasurable with x10 multiplier, it doesn't make sense even from an in-verse logic, this isn't even "treating infinite as finite" anymore.
 
Because Goku didn't pull a Jotaro and just went "hey this time stop doesn't mean crap anymore", he instead physically traveled in Hit's dimension and hit him there. This isn't just time stop resistance, it's straight up Immeasurable speed as he was capable of skipping though the timeline with sheer speed, only that's outlier lmao.
Okay then we can just go with your earlier suggestion about hit having multiple abilities, and outlier for goku. Also a resistance to spacetime manip, or time stop, whatever works.
 
Okay then we can just go with your earlier suggestion about hit having multiple abilities, and outlier for goku. Also a resistance to spacetime manip, or time stop, whatever works.
If it's a resistance, it'd be specifically only to the Time Skip and nothing else. Because this ability is so convoluted that other mechanics are just incompatible here.
 
If it's a resistance, it'd be specifically only to the Time Skip and nothing else. Because this ability is so convoluted that other mechanics are just incompatible here.
Wait how tf does he resist time skip? I thought that would be treated as outlier as immeasurable speed, and he would have a resistance to his other abilities like time cage, and his dimension where time is actually stopped there. And his pocket reality. Or do you mean time skip, as in all the subsets of abilities that come with it?
 
......limited?
I mean as in he can get to bit ahead in time with certain forms via pure combatt speed but cannot freely move anywhere in time.
Because Goku reached with with KK10, which multiplies both AP and speed.

You can't get Immeasurable with x10 multiplier, it doesn't make sense even from an in-verse logic, this isn't even "treating infinite as finite" anymore.
multipliers in Dragon Ball super are **** and tail.
 
although Goku is seen being frozen by hit, in the fight of universe 6 and 7, even after Goku manages to overcome time skip,

and it was in the rematch where even though Goku had previously been frozen within the time skip he declared that that would not work with the other and well Hit accepted it.
Because Goku didn't pull a Jotaro and just went "hey this time stop doesn't mean crap anymore", he instead physically traveled in Hit's dimension and hit him there. This isn't just time stop resistance, it's straight up Immeasurable speed as he was capable of skipping though the timeline with sheer speed, only that's outlier lmao.
 
although Goku is seen being frozen by hit, in the fight of universe 6 and 7, even after Goku manages to overcome time skip,

and it was in the rematch where even though Goku declares that that would not work with the other and well hit he accepts it.
Wait how tf does he resist time skip? I thought that would be treated as outlier as immeasurable speed, and he would have a resistance to his other abilities like time cage, and his dimension where time is actually stopped there. And his pocket reality. Or do you mean time skip, as in all the subsets of abilities that come with it?
I meant the latter, yes. Considering that's the only real approach to the absolutely nonsensical approach the series took on this, then we should comply.

I know that Goku in "narrative" did resist it, but if we take it by face value then it'd come with so many contradictions against how the ability actually works that I don't think I can give a better explanation.
 
although Goku is seen being frozen by hit, in the fight of universe 6 and 7, even after Goku manages to overcome time skip,
Exept that in the same Fight he is stablished as not beinf frozen during it in multiple points in the samr fight

and it was in the rematch where even though Goku had previously been frozen within the time skip he declared that that would not work with the other and well Hit accepted it.
And considering the above, if Time Skip is also Time Travel, as if is stated and shown to do, then this doesn't work as TS resiatance would mean nothing to Time Travel

Strym's solution is the only one plausable here as it covers all problems
 
I meant the latter, yes. Considering that's the only real approach to the absolutely nonsensical approach the series took on this, then we should comply.

I know that Goku in "narrative" did resist it, but if we take it by face value then it'd come with so many contradictions against how the ability actually works that I don't think I can give a better explanation.
I feel like if he gets a resistance, it should be a general resistance and not just for hits, that makes more sense to me, because the show implies goes would be able to freely move around inside hits alternate dimension where time is stopped, like without hit like manually letting him, since goku says his abilities wont work on him, and hit doesnt even try it.
 
I feel like if he gets a resistance, it should be a general resistance and not just for hits, that makes more sense to me, because the show implies goes would be able to freely move around inside hits alternate dimension where time is stopped, like without hit like manually letting him, since goku says his abilities wont work on him, and hit doesnt even try it.
Which wouldn't make sense since someone else Time Traveling is not something you can resist, also Hit did use his alternate dimension in the fight
 
I feel like if he gets a resistance, it should be a general resistance and not just for hits, that makes more sense to me, because the show implies goes would be able to freely move around inside hits alternate dimension where time is stopped, like without hit like manually letting him, since goku says his abilities wont work on him, and hit doesnt even try it.
Time is "stopped" inside the pocket realm due to it being taken away from the timeline, thus allowing Hit to freerly move as he wants there for said time.

Just taking the Time Stop part would be cherry picking in order to give Goku some nonexistent advantage against non-DB characters.
 
Which wouldn't make sense since someone else Time Traveling is not something you can resist, also Hit did use his alternate dimension in the fight
Well not for the time travel, the dimension itself, he broke through it yes, but hit clearly didn't think goku would be stopped by the effects of the dimension, like the time stoppage.
 
Time is "stopped" inside the pocket realm due to it being taken away from the timeline, thus allowing Hit to freerly move as he wants there for said time.

Just taking the Time Stop part would be cherry picking in order to give Goku some nonexistent advantage against non-DB characters.
Huh? Thats not it at all, why wouldn't hit use that dimension on goku like he did the mob boss? He allowed him to move in there while everyone else was stopped. That clearly wasn't something that could work on goku at all.
 
Huh? Thats not it at all, why wouldn't hit use that dimension on goku like he did the mob boss? He allowed him to move in there while everyone else was stopped. That clearly wasn't something that could work on goku at all.
And that's ignoring the part where Goku literally did time travel to said dimension, again.
 
time skip d hit has been shown with multiple uses, inside and outside the series, such as time stop, time cage, time skip, even creating dimensions with the accumulated time of the universe.

Let's simply give resistance to what can be resisted since even though it also has a time stop, this does not affect Goku.

and the immeasurable does not exist or outlier
 
time skip d hit has been shown with multiple uses, inside and outside the series, such as time stop, time cage, time skip, even creating dimensions with the accumulated time of the universe.

Let's simply give resistance to what can be resisted since even though it also has a time stop, this does not affect Goku.

and the immeasurable does not exist
Just taking the Time Stop part would be cherry picking in order to give Goku some nonexistent advantage against non-DB characters.
 
Option 4 - The writers really didn't think this out and we're all trying to push a circle into a square hole.

Time stop skips doesn't make sense considering the narrative implies time needs to be flowing for him to store it. Otherwise he could/should just sit in stopped time and add time endlessly. So how does time skip let him move forward and "freeze" others? One possibility is since he's essentially fast-forwarding his position in the timeline, nobody else "exists" yet to move around relative to himself.

How anyone breaks through that via strength/speed? Well it's DB. 9/10 times stronger ki > hax. Technical answer - temporal awareness is a possibility. Any other answer gets you immeasurable speed Goku or time travel Goku.

His other abilities (legit time stop, time pocket dimension, phase punches, etc.) make way more sense.
 
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Well not for the time travel, the dimension itself, he broke through it yes, but hit clearly didn't think goku would be stopped by the effects of the dimension, like the time stoppage.
Hit talks about his Time Skip in general, which includes Time Travel by default, Immeasurable speed would allow him to bypass both the Time Travel and Time Stop, altho as said earlier, it is an outlier
 
I don't understand where the minor resistance to space-time manipulation comes from, since hit manipulates time and space with time skip to be able to use time stop or time cage, or its time dimension.

and good Goku resists the time skip/time stop.

I see it as a complete resistance to time stop/time skip
A "Resistance" to something like time travel or dimensional travel would actually be like an interdimensional range feat. As is destroying Hit's pocket dimension.
 
Hit talks about his Time Skip in general, which includes Time Travel by default, Immeasurable speed would allow him to bypass both the Time Travel and Time Stop, altho as said earlier, it is an outlier
So its just like all the abilities mashed into one?
 
We simply cannot ignore everything that time skip does, even discarding the resistance because it also overcomes time skip, it is ignoring the other uses of time skip and the resistance that Goku has
 
time skip d hit has been shown with multiple uses, inside and outside the series, such as time stop, time cage, time skip, even creating dimensions with the accumulated time of the universe.

Let's simply give resistance to what can be resisted since even though it also has a time stop, this does not affect Goku.

and the immeasurable does not exist or outlier
No since that would make Goku still succebtable to the Time Skip, that you doing is a weird cherrypick that doesn't solve the problem at all, it just creates another
 
We simply cannot ignore everything that time skip does, even discarding the resistance because it also overcomes time skip, it is ignoring the other uses of time skip and the resistance that Goku has
Immeasurable speed is the only way to cover all of them at once, the only problem with that is not even on the Time Skip situation, but on the greater inconsistency of the rating in the rest of the series, so it would be out best option
 
A "Resistance" to something like time travel or dimensional travel would actually be like an interdimensional range feat. As is destroying Hit's pocket dimension.
Well, that can't work in this case since Goku didn't destroyed anything when he intercepted Hit, so Immeasurable but outlier is our only sensible option here
 
Not sure why this is complicated

Give him the resistance to what he has actually shown, which would be the time stop from being able to resist the time skip version hit used in U6 arc. As for also being able to match hit's time travel, this wiki has always designated it as an outlier, what else is there


Why make this such a big deal? When Goku hit the time travelling hit, he was still later hit by hit's evolved timeskip which froze him, his resistance to tike stop does not depend on the immeasurable speed feat being an outlier or not,
 
No since that would make Goku still succebtable to the Time Skip, that you doing is a weird cherrypick that doesn't solve the problem at all, it just creates another
Currently nothing solves the problem, if we choose any option it will not solve anything,

ignore the resistances of the time skip variant such as time stop, intangibility or the hit dimension, or even if we discard that, we are being selective what to choose and what not
 
Not sure why this is complicated

Give him the resistance to what he has actually shown, which would be the time stop from being able to resist the time skip version hit used in U6 arc.
exept that what he "resisted" in that arc was the Time Travel one, not the Stop

As for also being able to match hit's time travel, this wiki has always designated it as an outlier, what else is there
If we accept as Immeasurable speed, ee can't give the resistance as it would allow him to resist time stop by default

Why make this such a big deal? When Goku hit the time travelling hit, he was still later hit by hit's evolved timeskip which froze him, his resistance to tike stop does not depend on the immeasurable speed feat being an outlier or not,
it quite litterally does since both Time Stop and Time Travel are the same ability, the only way for him to resist both + all else the Time Skip apparently does is Immeasurable speed, else he would still be affected by it no matter what
 
Currently nothing solves the problem, if we choose any option it will not solve anything,
Immeasuble solves it pretty nicely

ignore the resistances of the time skip variant such as time stop, intangibility or the hit dimension, or even if we discard that we are being selective what to choose and what not
Imeasurable would allow him to ignore time stop and travel with hit in time to intercept him

As for the Intangibility and Dimension, Hit never used those directly against him until the rematch, which both worked
 
Option 4 - The writers really didn't think this out and we're all trying to push a circle into a square hole.

Time stop skips doesn't make sense considering the narrative implies time needs to be flowing for him to store it. Otherwise he could/should just sit in stopped time and add time endlessly. So how does time skip let him move forward and "freeze" others? One possibility is since he's essentially fast-forwarding his position in the timeline, nobody else "exists" yet to move around relative to himself.

How anyone breaks through that via strength/speed? Well it's DB. 9/10 times stronger ki > hax. Technical answer - temporal awareness is a possibility. Any other answer gets you immeasurable speed Goku or time travel Goku.

His other abilities (legit time stop, time pocket dimension, phase punches, etc.) make way more sense.
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He is not skipping into the future, there is an in-between where time is stopped for his perpesctive, that's what Goku resists.
Exept that Goku is shown not frozen in that supposed in Between multiple times when Hit used it, also if time is frozen then Hit can't store the time since none would have been "Skipped/removed" only stopped, and it couldn't travel to the future since time would have been stopped
 
Exept that Goku is shown not frozen in that supposed in Between multiple times when Hit used it, also if time is frozen then Hit can't store the time since none would have been "Skipped/removed" only stopped, and it couldn't travel to the future since time would have been stopped
Time is "stopped" in his PERSPECTIVE. He does appear 0.1 and 0.5s after he stopped time in their POV respectively. Goku is shown to be frozen in most cases, and only moves when his power surpasses Hit with Kaioken x10, but even that gets surpassed with a more extended Time Skip. Time actually passes, but everyone is frozen for him.

This also brings up other problems like how is Goku able to predict anything if Hit just stops time, which means it has to be both at the same time, which is the only way it all makes sense.
 
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