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Yes but it will destroy the universe and rebuild it again and reset han soo ( but han soo abilities will not reset)
So i am not sure if this counts
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Demon King vs A Psychic (Grace)
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So i am not sure if this counts
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There's another type of immortality he had that I forgot to mention. After the destruction of his body “first profile”, his soul got transferred to the random nearest born baby. Even though he is in a child's body, he can still think and fight using his power perfectly. He annihilated an army of knights, magicians, and even star platinum : )
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Do we have any solid proof that he just lacks water and food?
Why shouldnt Saiki be able to?
Saikis TK is Stellar
Precognition works in a way where it detects future danger and hurts Kusuos head then it shows the future
So even if Kusuo cannot see the future he will know a danger is coming
4-D?
Dark matter existing everywhere is not really a resistance to powernull... Kusuo will simply nullify his abilities
You sure? I cannot see it on the profile
He doesnt have to rest doesnt really mean he cannot rest though, pretty sure he needs sleep resistance to overcome that
They don't exists "everywhere" they are only "comprising about 30% of its content."
Kusuo also has instictive action to Teleport out of Dark Matter attacks instantly
Low regen should be able to regenerate cells though right? Plus Kusuo should be able to negate it with his own Biology manipulation
Most of it isnt resisted tbh...Kusuo doesnt have starting moves, he has passives that let him know what to do lol
Kusuo should be able to negate them with his own probability stuff I guess
Amps are not allowed since it gives him a new tier.
I will make a giant post for their advantages
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Kusuo
- + Smarter
- + Faster Abilities
- + Faster Thinking Speed
- + Better AD and RE
- + His Aura cancels Kangs Aura
- + Better Instictive Action
- + Fear Manipulation
- + Mind hax has more potency
- + Powernull
- + BFR and Better Range
- + Sleep Manipulation
- + Plot Manipulation
- + Memory Erasure
- + Some of his powers cancel out Kangs passives
- + Deconstruction
- + Transmutation
- + Duplication
- + Lifting Strenght
- + Can simply incapicate with most his powers, its more in character to incapicate rather than kill
- + Durability
- + Petrification
- - Bad Immortality and Regeneration
- - Cannot kill Kang
- - Acasuality 2 is a problem
- - Less AP
- - Less Destructive
- + Good Immortality
- + Can absolutely kill Kusuo
- + Can Erase Kusuo
- + Better AP and DC
- + Resists important hax
- - Doesnt know Kusuo's powers
- - Doesn't resist important hax
- - No layers
- - Dumber
- - Debuffs himself
- - Worse AD and RE
- - Worse Mind hax potency
- - Worse Instictive Action
- - Can be outnumbered
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To add Teleportation has Interdimensional Range
Restoration should also help. RE should do the trick since it happens instantly.
Normally, he would send him to another universe
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When he saw that Haganeno and his group wanted to take over his manga, he sent them to another universe.
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Petrification
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Pedonar
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Yes? he doesn't have any organs, so if he drinks or eats where it will go?
Yes
Wdym? I didn't say dark matter will nullify, I said saiki cant power null dark matter its just smth exists in the universe
His body doesn’t work like humans and doesn’t need to rest so it should be enough unless Saiki himself use it on someone similar to KH
Well the universe is infinite so 30% will still be infinite
Instinctive action to tp is useless if he goes from point A to point B dark matter will still exist
And even if u do not treat it as an infinite range it will be multi-glactic to universe range so it will still be everywhere
You mean Low-Mid
You just said by yourself that it will not work and will just feel that smth wrong so it's useless
The never-miss attacks don’t work in Saiki himself it affects reality so no, plus he got fate manipulation not just probability to the point it kills the target even if KH doesn’t have a chance
it showed increase in the age of the Chaos Dragon to the point it killed him before Han Soo died
If it's for the top strongest then I believe it should work + time and Mollang increases speed
Even if mollang amp is not allowed the self-time amp should work, more than x5 is considered a blitz
Faster in which way? He doesn’t even resist time so while han soo gets 100x time amp, Saiki in the other hand will get divided 100 debuff
so if it's equal to the speed of light
KH will be 100 times faster than light while Saiki moves at 0.01 c and if mollang amp will work it will be 2000x more
Is there any statement for this like any value if not then 1. It's equal 2. KH should be faster since he is reacting to attacks billions of times faster than Saiki
and with amp KH will just blitz
KH's fear/madness causes people to have heart attacks by just releasing his aura; his smile even leads people to commit suicide
Useless
Useless
NOT SURE HOW THIS WORK
He is not the only one with memory erasure
KH can do it with eye contact only
which passive exactly
useless against high regen
ok lol
i don't know most of these disadvantages are useless
He just did it so randomly.
I'm sure that his only first move is to hide in the toilet and start by reading minds, and then decide. and I've already explained the scenario.
Since this version is obsessed with dark matter, Shadow A will reveal his exact location, and dark matter will instantly incapacitate Saiki. While he is incapacitated, he can be killed with any ability such as a Chaos Dragon Breath attack, using EE, dark energy to make Saiki work under the demon hierarchy, memory eraser, or destroying his brain cells. basically anything
This will make it 100% impossible for Saiki, since KH will use his self-time buff, while also giving him a 100 debuff
you cant mention the interdimensional range for TP or bfr since he doesn't know anything about Han Soo and precognition is useless this
" So even if Kusuo cannot see the future he will know a danger is coming " is wrong he should not feel any
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And, I'm sure that layers exist within the verse; and possibly, I missed some abilities, but I don't care because I don't want to feel the pain again by rechecking the whole novel, with more than 400+ chapters and spamming Ctrl+F for specific words. So, I will just leave it for future supporters if anyone cares about the novel.
Like Edutyn you all are very lucky that he is a supporter
Like Edutyn you all are very lucky that he is a supporter
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It doesnt say he lacks those.
How is being something in the universe just give a Resistance? Lol.
He doesnt need to rest
He can still be put to rest
See my point?
You should maybe add that to the profile, but wouldnt that just contradict the universe being infinite?
Interdimensional Range > Multi-Galactic
How is that useless? It will show Saiki he has to take this guy serious.
I dont know why that is Fate Manipulation. It should only be listed as Probability Manipulation which Saiki can cancel out with his own
Saiki has 100x Instictive stuff and 100x thought speed.
He also has AD and RE so those would let him evolve and gain layers through the battle
No idea what you are talking about. Its speed equalized
100x than his normal speed since he could teleport while fighting his Alt Version
Speed is equalized.
Resisted
He doesnt resist Fear so its useful
Powernull is useless how?
What are you even saying rn?
Write the story and narrative basically
Then they cancel eachother out mb
Aura for example, Luck and more
Fair
Huh
Bro.
They are fighting.
Why would Saiki hide in a toilet wtf?
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by logic stated that he doesn't have any organs, and doesn't need to eat or drink
so how any of your mentioned ability will work explain
I didn't say give resistance, I said Saiki cant power null smth that exists within the universe like dark matter
this is just an assumption he no longer has any human part and he is just a spirit so why will it affect
It is mentioned in the range of " possibly " since there are 2 statements from the author
it's not like Saiki's first move will be up to other universe and plan first, his telepathy is planetary only so there's literally no reason for him to try
That's wrong because if precognition will not work then why he will feel any danger ?? logic?
Cause it killed someone
his key is already amplified
evolve after his death ?
speed is equal to yh but amplification through abilities is a thing
ha? Then this version reaction is 400000000c
amplification through abilities can be used
scare off kids and animals and resist normal human " fear aura" that probably because of his reputation = madness and fear that stops the heart and lets people commit suicide
his fear is too weak to be considered resistance
because that's what he always does in the anime
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Show me the scan of him not having any organs/water in his body.
Why not??? Powernull doesnt have that kind of limit
He is a spirit now? When? What?
He has Telepathy, he will see the other guy can kill or erase him
Then Saiki can use one of his hax and just win. Including BFR
Seeing the future = Sensing danger??
Lmaoo
How is that Fate Manipulation…
Saiki’s curse also can kill, does he have fate hax now? Nope.
And that amp is equalized per VSBW.
What. Saiki simply has shown he can grow Resistances and Layers
So if they fight for some time Kusuo would gain layers
Yeah. Which Kusuo can keep up with AD. Better IC, and more
Irrelevant claim, this is a speed equalized battle.
New tier amps? Nope
Kusuo resists Mind hax which is > Madness hax
It was able to scare off kids and animals. What more do you want? Also you need source for that claim
No?
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anyway my question is
since all the abilities come from the concept of darkness and light which formed the whole multiverse, and abilities, evolution power system comes from the source itself (the system)
Doesn't that mean Saiki should have concept type 1 to affect him? it's the same reason for 4D too
him evolving to spirit body is due to the system
him getting abilities are due to the system
not only that he used that same ability to defeat the first angel who is the concept of light herself
Anyway, my question is, since all the abilities come directly/ formed from the concept of darkness and light, which formed the entire multiverse, and the abilities, evolution (growth system), and the power system, originate from the source itself (the system), doesn't that mean Saiki should have concept type 1 to affect him? has the same reason of 4D
After his death, he got a new body that was formed from the system and he evolved his spirit body from the system, and all of his abilities are also from it. and, he used the system's abilities to defeat the first angel, who embodies the concept of light itself
so for the same reason for 4D, doesn't it mean that Saiki needs cm type 1 to interact and nullfies most of this?
since all the abilities come from the concept of darkness and light which formed the whole multiverse, and abilities, evolution power system comes from the source itself (the system)
Doesn't that mean Saiki should have concept type 1 to affect him? it's the same reason for 4D too
him evolving to spirit body is due to the system
him getting abilities are due to the system
not only that he used that same ability to defeat the first angel who is the concept of light herself
Anyway, my question is, since all the abilities come directly/ formed from the concept of darkness and light, which formed the entire multiverse, and the abilities, evolution (growth system), and the power system, originate from the source itself (the system), doesn't that mean Saiki should have concept type 1 to affect him? has the same reason of 4D
After his death, he got a new body that was formed from the system and he evolved his spirit body from the system, and all of his abilities are also from it. and, he used the system's abilities to defeat the first angel, who embodies the concept of light itself
so for the same reason for 4D, doesn't it mean that Saiki needs cm type 1 to interact and nullfies most of this?
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This power only works in his father's toy collection. This is literally the name of his power.
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I already shared the scan on page 1 maybe
so you are saying he is going to nullify dark matter instead of destroying it
spirit in the series is made of dark matter i didn't mean soul
but KH will know his location and instantly incap him
that if he could react
"seeing the glimpse of future" it should not work then
because its related to the same ability as probability and luck
when he is going to build resistance he will be already incaped and possibly dead
then don't mention that he is thinking faster and even if it equalized KH can still increase his speed using time manipulation and debuff saiki by dividing 100
it's not type 2
what claim
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You misunderstand me. I said amps that give him new tiers (such as his 2000x) is not allowed.
Mind resposting?
Yeah?
Saiki has NPI anyway
You do know Kusuo uses his powers faster right? His shit is thought based
He could. Again no 2000x speed amp since it gives tier.
YES IT SHOULDNT. ONLY THE DANGER ALERT WORKS.
I SAID IT 5 TIMES MY GUY.
Again, Fate Manipulation is a bit different. I dont think that ability fits
He does think faster though
“After reaching the transcendental realm (Z rank) with dark energy, the system starts to mistake him for a demon king, which puts him at a huge disadvantage because it will debuff his level to match the hero.“
The fact that Hang resists fear hax
You cannot use stuff not on the profile.
Saiki funnily enough can also possibly get Conceptual Manipulation but since its not added right now I wont argue with it
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how is he going to nullify it ?
Are you sure NPI alone is really enough to intreact with dark matter even if he didnt show any feat
you know what is speed blitz right?
but its related to future so logically it should not work
it will only work to those who are called heroes by the system against not heroes it will not work + this doesn’t stop him from using amplification in the series it will just equal his base with his opponent
Not even 4D is stated in the profile his ability is 4D because it related to his rewrite profile and because i explained it
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With Power Nullification
He can intreact with Souls which are literally Meta physical my guy
Speed is equal. He also cannot use his 2000x amp since its restricted. How is it a blitz?
Its related to danger, plus I dont even think his Aca 2 makes sense lol
I dont know the verse so I cannot say anything here
Kusuo saved humanity and the planet and then he saved the Multiverse
He should be considered a hero in the system I would assume
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But how? Even if he can, he will not have the time because the place he is standing in has dark matter, and it's not like he can see it
having NPI alone is not enough to interact to NEP, im sure he will need something that nullifies dark matter which itself resist and nullifies any particles
by using time amplification ? He can accelerate himself hundreds times while slowing his opponent 100 time at the same time
its not about how he saved or if do heroic things, they are assigned randomly + the system debuff equalize the demon king to hero, so is the one who will be in trouble since han soo will get the same level of ability,ap speed and LS
and when it happens han soo will just amplify his stats, like how do you think he survived in the series thank to his amplification
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EP, plus he is smart enough to know Dark Matter
Nep? Where tf did that come from
Cannot see it on his profile
So from what I see
Han soo can win with EE, Stat Amps and etc.
While Kusuo can win with Fear Hax, Transmutation, Power Nullification, Plot Manipulation, Petrification and etc.
How can Han deal with Petrification? A simple stare from Kusuo is enough
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If you're going to do it, check other "Useless" powers if they're similar, I think there might be one or two more mega specific ones.
Furthermore, I think it can still be left as "limited deconstruction" just for indexing purposes.
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so he will start the battle by analyzing the world them will remove dark matter from the world okwhat i mean just because he got NPI doesn’t mean he can interact with dark matter
his summons , she is the avatar of first angel who can do this
his presence cause people to commit suicide thats type 3, so why he will be afraid of fear that works on kids and animals
the question how saiki has resistance to it , resistance of mind grant resistance to type 2 of madness not type 3
i have already told u the scenario ;
using shadow A ability he can use clairvoyance and know saiki location the moment KH knows, dark matter will instantly incap him, incase he tp to point B, dark matter is already there and its invisible so he cant even tell where the attacks come from
incase it doesnt work, amplification = speed blitz any random ability gg lets say EE whats he gonna do ? Nothing he cant react
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Not on the profile = Irrelevant
This whole amp and time thing requires Saiki to not simply think him away to another dimension, petrify, transmutate him and etc.
what i mean just because he got NPI doesn’t mean he can interact with dark matter
his summons , she is the avatar of first angel who can do this
his presence cause people to commit suicide thats type 3, so why he will be afraid of fear that works on kids and animals
the question how saiki has resistance to it , resistance of mind grant resistance to type 2 of madness not type 3
i have already told u the scenario ;
using shadow A ability he can use clairvoyance and know saiki location the moment KH knows, dark matter will instantly incap him, incase he tp to point B, dark matter is already there and its invisible so he cant even tell where the attacks come from
incase it doesnt work, amplification = speed blitz any random ability gg lets say EE whats he gonna do ? Nothing he cant react
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- Petrification
- Fear Manipulation
- BFR
- Transmutation
- Power Null
- Perception Manipulation
- Plot Manipulation
- Sleep Manipulation
His RE and Probability Manipulation will cancel the Luck passive.
His Aura cancels his Aura
Kusuo's Regeneration and RE/AD will cancel the braing attack
Which is why I will be voting for him.
@Pedonar Nice debate my guy : )
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And, not even 4D is in the profile. For some reason, you accepted 4D but not CM1. Plus, I'm the only supporter of the verse and created all of the pages, so if there's something you should ask me. Since it exists in his rewrite saga with 4D, and because everything comes directly from the source “system”, it should be valid
Its not like he is going to tp him for no reason plus he will be moving faster than his reaction
he cant resist madness type 3 with mind hax as it only affect type 2
low regeneration doesnt regen lost cells its low mid
plus, it takes only seconds to incapacitate him by destroying his brain cells. Dark matter is instant as it exists everywhere, even in the place Saiki will be standing in at the beginning of the fight, another incapacitation. Teleportation to another place is useless since dark matter already exists there. Clairvoyance and information analysis to view his exact location and abilities
and EE, time acceleration while slowing down his opponent. Never-miss attacks, and I don't know how it will be nullified, plus it affects reality not saiki himself
and of course CM 1 is a thing
my voting goes to KH
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You cannot use CM 1 since its not on the profile. I accepted 4D since @Eseseso explained that to me. I feel like you are purposely ignoring Kusuo's side and my explanations at this point so instead of going back and forth I will just not repeat myself.
Like man...I responded to half of these just few messages ago lol. For example he has to summon to get that Time Slow which is way slower than Saiki just thinking.
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its in the same explanation for 4D
He doesn’t need to summon as she already exist in his sword and can use her power on the sword without even han soo telling her
ShionAH
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WAIT A DAMN MINUTE
HOW WOULD THIS GUY EVEN USE HIS "Clairvoyance, Telepathy and Information Analysis"
ITS ONLY LIMITED TO STUDENTS
so its useless
"Han Soo signed a deal with Shadow A, who gave him a special talent connected to the faculty. With this exceptional ability, he is able to look into students' minds, access their life pasts, see their abilities, go through their academic records, watch their school activities, and even look into their personal lives"
HOW WOULD THIS GUY EVEN USE HIS "Clairvoyance, Telepathy and Information Analysis"
ITS ONLY LIMITED TO STUDENTS
so its useless
"Han Soo signed a deal with Shadow A, who gave him a special talent connected to the faculty. With this exceptional ability, he is able to look into students' minds, access their life pasts, see their abilities, go through their academic records, watch their school activities, and even look into their personal lives"
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Power equalization maybe
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Via sba rule the starting distance should be 10 meter, i see no difference since dark matter is already there
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"The characters start as far away from each other as the highest range of the fighters is, but a maximum of 4 kilometers. For example, if one character has a range of 10 meter and the other has a range of 20 meter they start 20 meter apart. However if the range of one character is 10 meter and the range of the other is 5 kilometer, they start only 4 kilometer apart. If extreme advantages are generated via this distance to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread."
Kang not even knowing Saiki means Saiki will probably win with his hax.
I am now even thinking about allowing his amps since I think Kusuo will win either way lol
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whats the difference even if its 40 meter dark matter still exists there + han soo can hear his heart beat or feel his presence
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