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also yeah, agree with ddm
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There are no "raindrops" at all, never seem them out of years of playtime, I don't know what you are talking aboutI was more so specifically talking about general instances we see raindrops moving at normal speed. Which I've also agreed was a terrible reason to dismiss speed feats faster than Subsonic but said examples do automatically debunk infinite or immeasurable speed feats.
Solaris is not immesurable, and that's all I need to use to debunk this really, since that's what the argumentThe background may debatably be frozen, but Amy, Elise, Eggman, Knuckles, Omega, and Rouge all were not frozen. Amy was able to see the blue lasers fired from Solaris coming, and why would he need to charge up his lasers if he was Immeasurable.
That was in AP, everyone agreed he needed help because of the temporal onmipresenceI agree that all three fight scenes are supposed to happen at the same time, but wasn't it implied on another thread Sonic was capable of taking him out singlehandedly? I don't know who it was that made that claim, but someone said it.
This is just ad nauseum, you are actively ignoring my entire post to cherrypick semantics while ignoring everyone who tells you otherwise, I can't convince you I am right because you don't want to be convinced, you just want to stay the same“Intersection” can easily refer to distortions in time which is what the Japanese text is referring too. This is supported in game when finding all seven emeralds. Tails can go to Crisis City, even though it takes place in the future 8:58, same with Omega at 10:01 at Flame Core.
In your evidence, Shadow states that the distortion caused this “intersection” with spacetime when eggman comments on how he was going to destroy all timelines. Speaking of which, eggman states that he will destroy all timelines, not that he already has. Solaris was tearing apart their universe by making it unstable, but he hasn’t destroyed it yet, and he hasn’t destroyed the multiverse yet either.
In other words, yes, even in the Japanese version, they are in a rift (or at least a place where time and space are unstable). And since nothing states or proves that the hedgehogs leave their universe to fight solaris, they are still fighting in their universe with the distorted space time, which makes the feat very questionable.
okThis is just ad nauseum, you are actively ignoring my entire post to cherrypick semantics while ignoring everyone who tells you otherwise, I can't convince you I am right because you don't want to be convinced, you just want to stay the same
you are actively ignoring my entire post to cherrypick semantics while ignoring everyone who tells you otherwise
I think Elizah is talking about the effects of the attacks when they land, since that's the only effects there are in the fight, Sonic 06 is unifinished game where there are barely any effects afterall :/Raindrops were more of a general example; I agree it had nothing to do with the thread. But there are slight lights moving in the cloud background as described by Elizhaa.
Solaris not being Immeasurable only makes me even more skeptical about the Super Hedgehogs being Immeasurable, but I'll wait for other staff to comment on the Omnipresent stuff on that thread.
And the Immeasurable speed would be more believable if Sonic, Shadow, and Silver were the only ones talking or mentioning the lore stuff mid fight, but again, I also might need a break from this.
This might just be my new favorite instance of that meme, thanks Blue.
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Different opinions =/= ignoring arguments, misterUgh, different opinions in 2021, what a scary thought.
Would you mind explaining why? Claims would mean nothing if there's not substantial/valid proof behind them.Personally I've always disagreed.
Personally I've always disagreed.
Why yes, I believe an explanation for such a bias is in order so any further arguments you may present have an air of honestly behind it.Would you mind explaining why? Claims would mean nothing if there's not substantial/valid proof behind them.
So you got any arguments against the points already discussed in the thread? Would love to hear them.It's also the only immeasurable jump ever even if you did believe it
If you want to ignore reality then don't talk, because you objectively ignored argumentsThe fact that you guys think I’m ignoring arguments when I’m just responding what I think just makes me not want to talk here at all
Folks should practice what they preach when talking about "consistency" it's tiring dealing with folks who not only ignore arguments but also change the goalposts just to force their preconceptions.If you want to ignore reality then don't talk, because you objectively ignored arguments
Anyways Fox comment is just the outlier argument AGAIN, which is completely irrelevant to the thread
In order to be fair let's talk about the actual feat itself if it's immesurable or not, since people have been ignoring it ever since my post
Just reposting this because it wasn't adressedNow before ending this I want the opposition to explain how those three hedgehogs with finite speed and no special powers, were able to defeat a being that exists in all of time and that his attacks also exists in all of time, clearly not following the speed formula, this must be what is first responded to understand how this can happen.
I objectively did? how. I covered everything and how you guys had a misconception about what they meant in the Japanese cutscene. and then you claim “ad nauseam” and then I get memed on.If you want to ignore reality then don't talk, because you objectively ignored arguments
Anyways Fox comment is just the outlier argument AGAIN, which is completely irrelevant to the thread
In order to be fair let's talk about the actual feat itself if it's immesurable or not, since people have been ignoring it ever since my post
Nothing proves that everything was already destroyed. Eggman says he was going to destroy all timelines, not that he already has.No, you nitpicked an very specific interpretation and actively ignored my question on why he would be in """"rift"""" when he was destroying everything, and the explanation of the objects and why the fact there aren't any proves you wrong
You repeated yourself, ad nauseum, and are being biased like not calling any derrail posts even though you are the OP even though you did in other threads
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Concession accepted. If you say time wasn’t destroyed then you agree Solaris was omnipresent across all of time, therefore conceding to immeasurable Super Sonic for being fast enough to destroy Solaris’ body in all points in time at the same time.Nothing proves that everything was already destroyed. Eggman says he was going to destroy all timelines, not that he already has.
isn’t he arguing for time being destroyed by saying the multiverse was already destroyed? And two, I’m saying time here is wonky and distorted, allowing people like tails to walk into the future as if it were space, which makes the feat iffy for me. I feel like DDM covered the omnipresent stuff well so I didn’t really mention that.Concession accepted. If you say time wasn’t destroyed then you agree Solaris was omnipresent across all of time, therefore conceding to immeasurable Super Sonic for being fast enough to destroy Solaris’ body in all points in time at the same time.
yeah that’s my point, time is distorted here. Also user is saying they aren’t in a rift.Tails “walking into the future” was because everyone and everything were inside a rift.
I know, I’m not saying time doesn’t exist here, I’m saying it’s gone out of wack, which would’ve gave the hedgehogs a way to beat solaris’ omnipresence.Time being distorted =/= destroyed. There’s still a past, present and future.
true. we can just wait until then.Either way nothing will be achieved until the conclusion of the other thread that decides the Wikis standard for characters that fight characters that are omnipresent throughout time, space, dimensions, voids, etc or a mixture of two or more them.
And what “way” is that? Explain in detail how that helped?I know, I’m not saying time doesn’t exist here, I’m saying it’s gone out of wack, which would’ve gave the hedgehogs a way to beat solaris’ omnipresence.
They could’ve used the rift to their advantage and utilized the ****** up time to attack Solaris in the past, present, and future. It’s not to say that they did do so or not, it’s more like something that makes the feat a bit sus.And what “way” is that? Explain in detail how that helped?
thing is, we don’t know what method they used to beat Solaris. Silver just says they’ll attack in the past present and future, but they never state that they’ll do it with sheer speed. Of course, that’s one way they could do it, but using the distorted time to their advantage is another way they can. And with these new omnipresent standards the latter seems a bit more likely.Could’ve? So you don’t know? If you’re gonna include such guess work and ignorance in your arguments then you should concede.