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Now you're just derailing the thread into something that it isn't.How is Planet Level Sponge hard because Super Sonic is inconsistent just like him, and don't tell me I have headcannon, thats a no no.
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Now you're just derailing the thread into something that it isn't.How is Planet Level Sponge hard because Super Sonic is inconsistent just like him, and don't tell me I have headcannon, thats a no no.
I had to respond to your comment but whatever, you might as well stop derailing as wellNow you're just derailing the thread into something that it isn't.
I was told to stop and I stopped, again I had to respond to not have false accusations such as headcannon on my nameIt doesn't matter who started it. You still derailed the topic by talking about other verses that are completely unrelated to the conversation
I was told to stop and I stopped, again I had to respond to not have false accusations such as headcannon on my name
Anyways, I shall stop here
Sonic doesn't use AoE during the fight. All he's doing is ramming himself into Solaris.That just means attacks have Omnipresent AoE, not real proof of Immeasurable combat speed or reactions.
Same goes to Shadow and Silver. None of the other hedgehogs also use AoE attacks on SolarisSonic doesn't use AoE during the fight. All he's doing is ramming himself into Solaris.
Once they break his armor they destroy his consciousness across all of time.But like, how do they destroy Solaris in every point in time?
Oh ok. That still wouldn't help them to defeat Solaris thoughThis is what Cosmic Awareness is Gilad, but yeah I largely agree with what you said
I would type a response myself but I am busy at the moment
Good questionHow do the Hedgehogs defeat first form Solaris without temporal AoE (even assuming they have immeasurable speed)?
Teamwork unironicallyHow do the Hedgehogs defeat first form Solaris without temporal AoE (even assuming they have immeasurable speed)?
The hedgehogs attacked him simultaneously in every time pointTeamwork? Could you elaborate? Since Solaris needs to be destroyed in every point in time.
Which says that even with only temporal AoE Solaris can’t be defeated. (Also does Solaris get pushed backed by attacks or not?)@DarkDragonMedeus About your standards that temporal omnipresent beings can be defeated with a finite speed. The hedgehogs don't apply. Here Sonic has to attack Solaris' core at the front of his body, he can't do this with finite or even infinite speed, since Solaris turns around to follow where Sonic is going and since he is omnipresent, all his positions would be happening all at once, meaning Sonic has no way to target the core the way he does (and realistically no way at all) since Solaris' arms would always be in the way. There is also this which has huge AoE and would kill the Hedgehogs the moment he went second form if they had no immeasurable speed since he can just spam this all over the area and all these beams would be happening all at once (same for the meteors really) since we already established that these attacks are omnipresent through time as well since switching between Hedgehogs doesn't exempt you from dodging it. The hedgehogs also don't have a type of acausality that would prevent this, aren't dimensional traveling and have no cosmic awareness. (Btw most people that fight omnipresent beings would need immeasurable speed with very little exceptions such as someone like Zen'o, who currently doesn't have immeasurable speed)
If Solaris at the beginning of time shoots a temporal omnipresent attack at the hedgehogs, then it is undodgeable for all of them without immeasurable speed, since 5 seconds later it will be at the position that the hedgehogs are standing a few million years later (for instance) and thus hit them, type 1 or 2 acausality doesn’t help with this.An attack can be omnipresent across time and not across space, and still move through space at finite speeds.
Correct, they'd probably need to move across a higher temporal dimension to go the "point" before the omnipresent being decides to attack.Even characters who have Immeasurable speed can't always dodge those attacks even if the attacker has finite attack speed
Exactly my point, Solaris would be like a solid cylinder with a core in the middle in every point in time, thus if you only hit the edge of the cylinder through all of time then at best you push back the core a little (even if you manage to push it out of the cylinder it's probably not exploitable and Solaris can easily create a new cylinder by turning around before the hedgehogs can move, see the 5 seconds argument that I brought up earlier). The only way to actually beat Solaris is moving through a higher temporal dimension or defeating him before he moves, which can only be done with immeasurable speed.But that being said, it's often possible even characters who are Omnipresent wouldn't be able to defeat people like Solaris. The only way to beat Solaris is to have Omnipresent temporal AoE given his omnipresent temporal existence. So I really still don't see any Immeasurable speed feats but just temporal omnipresence for Solaris and Sonic having the range to effect omnipresents.